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| Posted: Tue Oct 1st, 2013 01:08 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Trial by Jury Essay Lysander Spooner
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| Posted: Fri Nov 1st, 2013 01:51 pm |
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There are a huge amount of quotes from cases and founding fathers defending the Fully informed Juries in this link. Use them in your writings and plaster them on anything you can. http://www.levellers.org/jrp/orig/jrp.jurquotes.htm
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17th, 2013 09:44 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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A link sent from California: BEHIND THE LOCKED DOOR OF AN AMERICAN GRAND JURY: ITS HISTORY, ITS SECRECY, AND ITS PROCESS [I immediately find trouble with that link] And IF IT'S NOT A RUNAWAY, IT'S NOT A REAL GRAND JURY
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| Posted: Fri Jan 3rd, 2014 07:29 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Having so much trouble finding any evidence of an actual common law grand jury existing anywhere ever I started looking for information. I found this American Court History or B or C Corporate memos? Exchequer? So far: Page 255 Note the connection between "sheriffs" "tampering" and "grand juries" all of which suggest independence of judgement separate from the "governor." Reference sited Calender of State Papers Colonial America and West Indies Page 255 A huge contention appears to arise when considering who, when, and where someone volunteers to make use of due process of law. Is access to due process of law only accessible through a statute? Which is it? Monarchy or Liberty? The precise origins of many courts in America are difficult to determine because of their nebulous beginnings. Today, one expects to find the authorization for a court embodied in some statute, but the courts in the colonies often had their origins through some other source, later regularized by statute. That would be the voluntary, or the Liberty, version. Yes or no? Although there is some evidence that juries were used in criminal cases, most generally the governor acted on his own authority, or, occasionally, he associated members of his council with him; and they would act as judge and jury. to erect and constitute judicatories and courts of record, other courts, to be held in the name of us, our heirs and successors for the hearing and determining of all manner of crimes… That is a reference to something called "courts of record," as a usurpation by corporate charter? The development of the chancery courts as a remedy for the strict procedures of the common law courts and the conflicts of these courts with the common law courts under Sir Edward Coke is a well known story. Since chancery courts were a well-established part of the American colonies, it is not surprising that such courts were established in America. What is surprising is that so few of these courts were established permanently in the colonies; and that they were established amidst political conflicts. Although courts of chancery were not popular, some sentiment existed for their creation as gaps in the jurisdiction of the common law courts became apparent. During the Revolution, the control over probate courts was assumed by the assembles, which put them on a more regular basis. Rarely were these courts made courts of record; and, when they were, the higher courts tended to disregard this fact. common law = courts of record = voluntary association in Liberty = NOT "HIGHER" according to corporate minions and despots?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 3rd, 2014 09:05 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Looking into another source: Common Law vs Civil Law California, for instance, has a state civil code organized into sections that echo traditional Roman civil law categories pertaining to persons, things, and actions; yet the law contained within California’s code is mostly common law. Blackstone is a proponent of common law? Did I miss something? United States v. Robbins, a 1925 California case that went to the Supreme Court and paved the way for the state’s modern community property laws, was based upon a concept of community property that California inherited not from English common law but from legal customs of Visigothic Spain that dated to the fifth century CE.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2014 03:25 pm |
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The Martin Luther King Trial (who knew?) http://www.thekingcenter.org/sites/default/files/Assassination%20Trial%20-%20Full%20Transcript.pdf http://www.thekingcenter.org/assassination-conspiracy-trial After four weeks of testimony and over 70 witnesses in a civil trial in Memphis, Tennessee, twelve jurors reached a unanimous verdict on December 8, 1999 after about an hour of deliberations that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. In a press statement held the following day in Atlanta, Mrs. Coretta Scott King welcomed the verdict, saying , “There is abundant evidence of a major high level conspiracy in the assassination of my husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. And the civil court's unanimous verdict has validated our belief. I wholeheartedly applaud the verdict of the jury and I feel that justice has been well served in their deliberations. This verdict is not only a great victory for my family, but also a great victory for America. It is a great victory for truth itself. It is important to know that this was a SWIFT verdict, delivered after about an hour of jury deliberation. The jury was clearly convinced by the extensive evidence that was presented during the trial that, in addition to Mr. Jowers, the conspiracy of the Mafia, local, state and federal government agencies, were deeply involved in the assassination of my husband. The jury also affirmed overwhelming evidence that identified someone else, not James Earl Ray, as the shooter, and that Mr. Ray was set up to take the blame. I want to make it clear that my family has no interest in retribution. Instead, our sole concern has been that the full truth of the assassination has been revealed and adjudicated in a court of law… My husband once said, "The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice." To-day, almost 32 years after my husband and the father of my four children was assassinated, I feel that the jury's verdict clearly affirms this principle. With this faith, we can begin the 21st century and the new millennium with a new spirit of hope and healing.”
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