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| Posted: Sun May 12th, 2013 08:03 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Accurately, and efficiently, communicate instructions for making music. An English statesman of much note once said "give me the making of the songs of a nation and I care not who make it laws." Perhaps he did not think that however well calculated his songs might be to substitute for laws, to elevate, refine, and harmonise and humanize a people, he could not get them before the public through any of the ordinary channels, in competition with the "established authors" who have other objects in view. To have the market open to every author and their compositions to sell on their own merits would spoil the profits derived from monopoly. It is evident that any great innovation or improvement cannot expect any sympathy or aid from the trade and therefore must take its stand on the unpleasant ground of open contest, and be prepared to let the strongest prevail. This work must stand or fall on its own intrinsic merits - not at all on its author's name ; for, although a professor of music from the age of eighteen, some twenty years, yet he is now entirely unknown to the public and intends to remain so. Perhaps an apology should be made in advance for the imperfections that may appear in the mechanical execution of the work. It is the production of entirely new mode of engraving, this work being the first ever executed by it. It is but reasonable to expect many imperfections which the older arts have overcome by long experience, which is the only means to conquer them.
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| Posted: Sun May 12th, 2013 08:19 pm |
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Jee-Host[gm] Guest
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If we think about music without regard for moral factor then there is an easy example - Beatles and those behind their hits.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 12:37 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Sergey (dear), I do not work well with riddles. I am too old. Like an old dog that cannot learn new tricks. You may be on the cutting edge of humanity. I may be on the edge, falling off, ready for the big pile of dead bodies, and lost souls. As far as I know the music of these four people include one song I know which was written by George Harrison Here: Lyrics Here is a version of the song: Weeps I can record my version of the song on my guitar. I play this song daily. I cannot take any more guitar lessons from the person who helped me greatly with guitar lessons, because we cannot afford the cost at this time. I want someone to help me learn music. Can you help me? I am not so sure sometimes.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 04:53 am |
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Jee-Host[gm] Guest
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Oh, sorry, my friend, I was referring to something different. >>> "give me the making of the songs of a nation and I care not who make it laws." <<< This reminded me of a certain phrase by a certain parasite (and you being a regular visitor of DP surely know of what I speak). This and the fact that you created this thread in the subforum called 'Math' threw me off a bit. But let me explain in more detail. It is not a secret that music affects the way we think. Classical music helps think clearly and without distractions, while rock music disrupts any brain activity. It doesn't take much to imagine possibilities of beneficial or detrimental application of these simple facts. And, naturally, there were people who thought exactly that and thus made certain developments in this area. And as per usual - initially good ideas got in the hands of social parasites. So here goes one example: Let's start by saying that so-called 'modern' music is not really modern at its base. Its rhythmic base known as 'beat' was taken from temple practice in Near East and 'ancient' Greece - cults such as those of Vaal and Dionis. And harmonic build comes from Rosenkreutz (not sure of proper spelling) mysticism. Modern take on these phenomena was described in 1940 in books of Theodore Wiesengrund-Adorno, who left Germany for England in 1934. Known philosopher and culturologist, adept of Frankfurt's school, studied in Vienna's University. Studied music under the composer A. Berg. Adorno was teaching in Frankfurt's University since 1931 (he returned there in 1949), but had to emigrate in 1934. Since 1938 he worked in USA. Main concern of his work waas philosophical understanding of musical composition. As example of his heritage we can use the book "The Authoritarian Personality" in which he proclaims that white families is a pathology, while normal situation is where kids run away from home after conflict from parents and since no longer tied to the family. This book is considered a classic in terms of sociology and is used as base for courses in universities to date. Rosenkreutz musical theory is quite peculiar. They thought that Light of God, which originates from true Sun - Black Sun - which is hidden under Sun's corona, reflects (in part - like mirror, in part - with phase shift) from the center of the Earth, which contains 'the throne of Lucifer'. Coming 'from Heaven to Earth' light assumes 7-base structure (according to the number of 'celestial spheres'), and when it comes back - it assumes 12-base stucture (initial 7 plus 5 coming from shift). Thius two systems of notes: 7-base or 'tone'/'orphic'/'white' and 12-base or 'atone'/'dionisic'/'black' (This shown in the structure of a piano - 7 white and 5 black keys in every octave). So technically Adorno didn't really conjured up something completely new. He just used old teachings on a new technical level. Though certain talent in using said teachings is undeniable. He wrote all the most known lyrics for 'Beatles'. His death marked the end of all notable creativity for the group including their very existense as group. Adorno has become one of the founders of 'musical drug' which is 'modern' music. So how it works? The answer is mathematics. Material bodies are succeptable to vibration and resonanse - it's a part of life how we know it but don't neccessarity look at from this angle. Said vibrations and resonanses can be destructive. That was among main lines in Rosenkreutz Musical Theory. Destructive 'atone' was put by Adorno and his co-workers in the foundation of 'modern guitar music'. However silly it may seem, actual 'rock culture' or 'culture of young protest' wasn't created by a buch of hairy smelly slackers from dirty edges of Liverpool, but by prim professors from Tavistock Institute of Human Relations (spelling may be wrong here). Very imporant role in the 'new music' plays drum rhythm - 'beat', which affects brain especially heavily in areas related to concentration and attention. Beat's effect is comparable to light drugs - a slight vertigo, supression of consciousness, dissolution of consciousness in emotions and feelings. Second factor is 'bass' - instruments and electronic synthesators , creating low and very low (to 60 Hz) acoustic vibrations. Bass affects spinal fluid and adrenalin-insulin balance, provoking inadequate aggression and elevated salacity. Typical mess masde by avid rock fans is the direct consequence of bass. There is a reason to also tie bass to suicide provocation. Statistics says that in first half of 20th century suicides in USA were most common among elderly people. Yet starting from 60's suicide victims average age started lowering dramatically. From 1972 to 1987 relative number of teenager suicides increased by 53%. Although it maybe a coincidence that this period is also considered to be a 'golden age' for 'new music'. Or maybe it's a combination of factors. Third factor is light. That is why any 'serious' music group carries around (or orders) tons of light equipment. Colored lights, laser show, etc. are supposed to enhance the effect of music. And such thing as stroboscope comes to the scene directly from hypnotherapist office. Metallic dishes that imitate cymbals also have a strong psychotropic effect. These are borrowed from Finikian ecstatic dances. In 'techno' music use of these is elevated to whole new level, in this case they overpower bass. All that shows that at the foundation 'new music' is a strong psychotropic 'pill' , made to affect human brain and ineer secretion glands through audial and acoustic pressure. As a result - consciousness becomes supressed as if by 'light' drugs. Additionally, the state of mind comparable to the effect of drugs along with an example by musicians (lyrics, clothes, attitude) creates a strong drug propaganda and helps audience to get rid of psychological barrier about usage of drugs. So why all this? There are at least three answers. First. It's a good business. This 'industry' is no more than sale of air (or its vibrations to be precise). Astronomical fortunes are accumulated in an instant. Rock and pop 'star' fees are no secret - it's hundreds and millions of dollars. Think about how much those who 'lights' these 'stars' leave for themselves. Second. 'New music' yet again is a very strong promotion for 'classic' drugs. And that is yet again - millions and billions (and it's illogical to think that these billions are shared by many-many dealers - main gesheft goes to relatively small group of individuals). Third. Let's not forget SOCIAL function of 'new music' and its narcotic effect. Introduction of said music in 'crazy 60s' is not a coincidence. All these bourgeois democracies were at the brink of total failure. And this music abuse and stupefication was a great opportunity to keep power. The fact that energy was directed from social-political sphere into stupid, dirty and junky 'sphere' is their big victory over humanity. A big step towards something that some people like to call the New world Order. There are of course other "Made in England" groups for whom Adorno and his co-workers 'assisted'. Deep Purple, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Dire Straits, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Queen, Def Leppard, Nazareth, Genesis - who can imagine rock history without this British groups? Only non-British group to measure up to their 'standard' was KISS (Kids In Satan Service), created in 1973 supposedly with the help of Kissinger (arguably even named after him). One has to wonder whether leadership of british groups can be credited to Tavistock. Stupefied people are easier to control. There is an important feature of rock music - try to force upon people a constant feeling of rock 'in the air', like ambient everpresent music, such as we normally hear in supermarkets and whatnot. And as an inevitable addition to advertisements. When in a room with non-smokers someone starts to smoke and being asked to stop - he stops. It would be good if people also realized that the right for silence, for lack of ugly constant harmonics of rock in the air, is no different from right not to inhale radioactive polonium, ammonia and all other chemicals present in cigarette smoke. Yet something defiantly stands in the way. So what gives? Easy answer can be found in works of S. Kara-Murza. "... to prevent creation of independent groups of elite (educated class) in masses of those under control, they have to be deprived of silence. That is how phenomenon of 'democracy of noise' occured in the West. Space around introduced to a such an audial and noise design so average person doesn't have enough periods of silence to have a full finished thought. And while he cannot concentrate he has to hold onto an interpretation he's being told. This is an important condition of his helplessness against manipulation of consciousness. Elite, on the contrary, values silence and has means to live outside of 'democracy of noise'." Think about how often any of us is left in the silence alone? How many of us have a radio in the car and how often it's swtiched on? It's hard to profess total prohibition in this case. Beside the obvious difficulties there is a phenomenon known as social inertia. There is also a true saying that breaking is easier than fixing. This music is a drug. Yet it can be consumed without compromising immune system too much. The most important thing about all this is to KNOW. And thus be FREE to CHOOSE the right thing. And one last thing - if this long and wordly answer format is to your liking, I have to say - don't get too much hopes up. It is unlikely that I will be able to propmtly respond with articles like that very often. But I hope I've explained what I meant and that you understood it. It's not the help you asked, but maybe a song can make you feel better (Bear, if you're reading this - you're likely to like this one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAC9vJr--Us Last edited on Mon May 13th, 2013 05:13 am by |
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 11:06 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Sergey, Thanks for the words. I won't expect such generosity every time. I think that your words compliment the words of Josiah Warren well, and to me there are accurately measurable examples of people employing their power effectively in reaching the goal of transferring power from targeted victims. So it is not at all a surprise to read about such people gaining access to power through the manipulation of mass media in all forms including music. I will however say that I did not know until know that these few very powerful (criminal) people had their hands so deep into the music that I like to hear. I like to hear music that compliments my life including music that inspires me to sit and dream, or contemplate random thoughts, but I also like to listen to music that reminds me of, brings back memories of, times in my past. I also like to listen to music that inspires me into eager action. I wonder if you may know anything about a specific type of sound that is generated by the absence of sound, or so I am told, when a person has an ear that no longer functions properly. I have this problem with my ear, which is a problem that is called tinnitus, which is said to be caused by a disease called Meniere's disease. There is a consistent mid range frequency sound heard by my brain that sounds like it is resonating inside the right side of my brain, sometimes reaching a high volume like a storm, and sometimes forgotten until I take notice of it again, but always resonating to some degree, as far as I can tell. The connection I had in mind for posting the information linked to Josiah Warren's work on musical notation, and the subject of math, was such that my own study of music is a study of math, and there are effective ways to communicate things through mediums of exchange, and then there are less effective ways to reach that goal. If the goal is to deceive, as you have shown, then music works for that purpose, and I think that was Warren's message too. If the goal is to make musical notation much more complicated than necessary, then the power of music will be unaffordable to those who can't afford to deal with the complexity. That is a familiar story. I wonder which version of the phrase was the original version, and I wonder if the phrase was copied, and altered, or merely reinvented in other words. I found this: Source work Fletcher of Saltoun, Selected Writings Music and Money are Mediums of Exchange, as is Math, as is Language.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 12:47 pm |
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Jee-Host[gm] Guest
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I will however say that I did not know until know that these few very powerful (criminal) people had their hands so deep into the music that I like to hear. You are probably familiar with John Coleman's "the Committee of 300". There he also speaks of this matter. I wouldn't take all that Coleman writes for granted, but things he writes one certainly should bear in mind. I wonder which version of the phrase was the original version, and I wonder if the phrase was copied, and altered, or merely reinvented in other words. Yes, you nailed it, that's the one I meant. You have to agree it bears a distinct similarity. I was wondering if it is directly related in some way myself. I wonder if you may know anything about a specific type of sound that is generated by the absence of sound As far as I know there is no connection between 'absence of sound' and that frequency you hear. Sound is just waves. Obviously if you hear something then there is sound. I haven't studied this particular disease, but preliminarily I think that what you hear is outside of normal range. Not in terms of classical hertz I mean. Alternatively - it maybe your own reaction to something. Maybe you can consciously detect a vibrations of your entity. I can guess but I don't know. I know a medium, but she doesn't understand her talent, the way she heals is empathic and intuitive. Unfortunately I'm at this point and time unable to study her ability in great detail as I would like. If I did maybe I could make a more knowledgeable answer to you about this situation of yours. But right now my guesswork probably won't help you much. I like to hear music that compliments my life including music that inspires me to sit and dream, or contemplate random thoughts, but I also like to listen to music that reminds me of, brings back memories of, times in my past. I am taught that music one likes reflects the level of one's understanding of one's own entity. Naturally, one can no longer fully enjoy detrimental music once he has a firm grasp on how and why it is detrimental. So effectively one's understanding deepen and priorities shift. Yet that may also come less consciously. But in that case susceptibility to detrimental music holds. Sort of like drinking alcohol to 'get warm'. Once person realizes that it actually doesn't happen, quite the contrary, one can hardly ignore it. But most likely one would be likely not to wish to hear about something like that. Anyway, I wanted to portray how it easily evident how knowledge develops a person. P.S. I hope you liked the song I left last post. Last edited on Mon May 13th, 2013 01:00 pm by |
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 01:08 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Music, such as the example in the link to Anna Netrebko, transfer messages, as does any other medium of exchange, as I see it. Sometimes I hear a message that is similar to sharing a felling, such as the feeling of tension. I think the message I hear can be described as peace, which can be calculated as the opposite of tension. When I was playing my guitar moments ago, improvising the playing of notes on a scale, I tap my foot to add that steady beat, and it may be that such creations, or discoveries, are detrimental to me, a bad sound for that reason, if so, I can't hear the damage, since the sounds, as far as I know, help me harmonize, or gain power in life, not have that power drained from me. I can certainly be wrong.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 01:27 pm |
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I think that knowledge about possible danger saves a great deal of trouble. I don't think that tapping your foot is detrimental to you (unless you do it with a hammer or something). You're not a parasite, I doubt you would create something with ill-intent. So unless you repeat something notably detrimental - there should be no problem. Much of damage modern music does originates from the equipment on which it is played and and recorded. You playing guitar for your own pleasure should be alright I think. Braindead lyrics also matter, but I think you're hardly a man to sing pointless stuff to yourself. I think the message I hear can be described as peace, which can be calculated as the opposite of tension. Yes, very much so. I thought since I couldn't help you with your music (and I took your words about it as quite emotionally-driven ones) that this song can provide a little bit of solace. I love opera not for silly lyrics (and they are silly quite often) but for strife for perfection in both singing and acting. Finding a way to resonate with people's entities. Last edited on Mon May 13th, 2013 01:30 pm by |
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