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 Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 11:49 pm
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1. "If one is forced into a collective situation as far as I can understand they are no longer sovereign."

2. "If one victim is willfully forced by a criminal to make the victim less powerful so as to make the criminal more powerful, as far as I can understand, the victim is no longer sovereign by that exact measure of that power being transferred that inequitable way precisely as it happens in time and place."

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1. "If one is forced into a collective situation, as far as I can understand, they are no longer sovereign."

2. “If one [victim] is [willfully] forced [by a criminal to make the victim less powerful, so as to make the criminal more powerful], as far as I can understand, [the victim is] no longer sovereign [by that exact measure of that power being transferred that inequitable way, precisely, as it happens in time and place].”

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One sentence demonizes a thing, blaming a thing for the actions of a person, in such a way as to be so ambiguous as to be interpretable in any way anyone cares to interpret that sentence, even to the point of meaning one thing one second and the opposite thing the next second.

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One sentence demonizes a thing: blaming a thing for the actions of a person in such a way as to be so ambiguous, so as to be interpretable in any way anyone cares to interpret that sentence, even to the point of meaning one thing one second and the opposite thing the next second.

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If the goal is to enslave another individual, with a hammer, or with that power of sovereignty commanded by that individual, then there is an English word for that sovereign act by that sovereign individual, and the word may be useful or not.

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If the goal is to enslave another individual, with a hammer, or with that power of sovereignty commanded by that individual, then there is an English word for that sovereign act by that sovereign individual, and the word may be useful, or not.

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 Posted: Tue May 21st, 2013 01:36 am
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Ya, know...Joe, I have a bone to pick with you. Everytime I read this, I think it, but have said nothing. But tonight I am going to say, "You, Joe, had a knee-jerk reaction because I said the word socialism." Here. I said this:

"Today we are in a system whereby we are forced coercively to participate in a collective socialist system which is beholden to crony capitalism."

And then you said:

Socialism must be demonized by you, or you don't feel good about your use of time and energy while you still have that power?

And then you said this: Why does capitalism get the pre-qualifier while socialism arrives without such fine print?

And now I am going to answer:

I did put a pre-qualifier before socialism. I used the pre-qualifier collective on the heals talking about voluntary associations. I was trying in my ever-so-poor way to say involuntary collective socialism. I did give socialism a pre-qualifier.

People being involuntarily, collected and forced into an involuntary socialist system. Here is the whole paragraph in context:

"That is why you have helped me understand voluntary association. That is why each state should have its own voluntary system whereby people vote with their feet if they do not like the system. However, we do not find ourselves in that situation today. Today we are in a system whereby we are forced coercively to participate in a collective socialist system which is beholden to crony capitalism."

I think you had a knee-jerk reaction! And I think that everytime I read that exchange.

OK, please excuse this cowardice, toothless, parasidic-ridden bear outburst. I'll get back to work now :)

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"To me it is like you telling me I don’t care what color the Republicans say they are. I say they are blue. They were blue and they are blue. I don’t care if everyone else now says they are red because they changed from blue to red. Don’t you dare call them red. They are blue. And I say When a rose changes colors it is time to take note and change words."

Updated to use quotes per
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/04/

Writing Dialogue

Write each person's spoken words, however brief, as a separate paragraph. Use commas to set off dialogue tags such as "she said" or "he explained." If one person's speech goes on for more than one paragraph, use quotation marks to open the dialogue at the beginning of each paragraph. However, do not use closing quotation marks until the end of the final paragraph where that character is speaking.

and http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/02/

Quotations within a Quotation

Use single quotation marks to enclose quotes within another quotation.

The reporter told me, "When I interviewed the quarterback, he said they simply 'played a better game.'"


As follows:

“To me it is like you telling me, ‘I don’t care what color the Republicans say they are. I say they are blue. They were blue and they are blue. I don’t care if everyone else now says they are red because they changed from blue to red. Don’t you dare call them red! They are blue.’

“And I say, ‘When a rose changes colors it is time to take note and change words.’”

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"It is entertaining and fun to me and it is also work to try to apply new concepts to my thinking."

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"It is entertaining and fun to me, and it is also work to try to apply new concepts to my thinking."

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Carl Miller, if I remember right, says: "If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right."

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Carl Miller, if I remember right, says: If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right.

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"I am not my own, I belong to everyone else, and this little space, this little place, I have found in writing and learning belongs to me. That may not make much sense to you, but it does to me. If that about me makes it so I am not qualified we need to know that. At the same time I need to have respect for the seriousness of the matter and the work you are about. I know it is serious. It is probably a coping mechanism for me not to think of the gravity involved; that being the complete disregard for human life and the bodies stacked high to heaven."

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"I am not my own; I belong to everyone else, and this little space, this little place, I have found in writing and learning belongs to me. That may not make much sense to you, but it does to me. If that about me makes it so I am not qualified, we need to know that. At the same time I need to have respect for the seriousness of the matter and the work you are about. I know it is serious. It is probably a coping mechanism for me not to think of the gravity involved: that being the complete disregard for human life and the bodies stacked high to heaven."

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In context, to me, you have worked yourself, while making the best of it, into a very important victory. As stated earlier, identification of a closed loop in your own mind is a huge victory; almost incomprehensibly impossible to do alone, and if that has happened, then I am privileged to be a miniscule measure of help in that very serious battle and that very important victory.

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In context, to me, you have worked yourself, while making the best of it, into a very important victory. As stated earlier, identification of a closed loop in your own mind is a huge victory. Almost incomprehensibly impossible to do alone, and if that has happened, then I am privileged to be a miniscule measure of help in that very serious battle and that very important victory.

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"I can say when the cubs are involved a mama bear does come out, with claws. Maybe I just talk big."

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“I can say, when the cubs are involved, a mama bear does come out with claws. Maybe I just talk big.”

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The messages are what they are separate from the messenger.

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The messages are what they are, separate from the messenger.

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 Posted: Tue May 21st, 2013 01:45 pm
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OK, please excuse this cowardice, toothless, parasidic-ridden bear outburst. I'll get back to work now
One of many repetitive faults are mine to either repeat or stop repeating, is this example being exemplified in this way, and it welcome, and it is appreciated, having help in recognizing the error, so as to have a way to stop repeating the error.

Thanks again.

 

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And I always thought myself to be a cute, sweet, kind and gentle, friendly, little bear.

like this: http://www.dailypaul.com/user/50163 (and if I were as smart as Sergey, I could put a picture here. But you will have to click the link if you want to see.)

Now look at me:

...a cowardice, toothless, parasidic-ridden bear...

This is a rather disturbing sight, if you ask me. Parasites of suggestion have now infected my mind.


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If Legal Criminals could, it seems to me, they would have all the females (except their close nit group) plotting to torture and murder all the males, and of course to balance things out they would have all the males plotting to torture and murder all the females.

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If Legal Criminals could, it seems to me, they would have all the females (except their close nit group) plotting to torture and murder all the males, and of course to balance things out, they would have all the males plotting to torture and murder all the females.

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You used the term, if I remember right, man haters?

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You used the term, if I remember right, man haters?

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To me it does not matter; a female brain in a male body. I don't have anything against that individual, if that is how that individual exists, that way, without question. I don't know; it seems to be possible, very real for them, but my questions concern how does that happen? Is it natural, meaning is it separate from a man-made alteration in genetics, or on the other hand, are there things being done willfully by people to cause those changes in genetics: done on purpose to cause specific things to happen?

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To me it does not matter: a female brain in a male body. I don't have anything against that individual, if that is how that individual exists, that way, without question. I don't know. It seems to be possible, very real for them, but my questions concern, how does that happen? Is it natural? Meaning is it separate from a man-made alteration in genetics, or on the other hand, are there things being done willfully by people to cause those changes in genetics: done on purpose to cause specific things to happen?

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And most people can't even ask this question if they are still assuming that "our" government is merely making mistakes when perpetual war for perpetual peace to save the children goes wrong for fully 2 centuries now.

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And most people can't even ask this question if they are still assuming that "our" government is merely making mistakes when perpetual war for perpetual peace to save the children goes wrong for fully 2 centuries now.

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Bloom appears to be infected with that nonsense, despite his obvious capacity to know much more about specific things than most everyone. He is a genius, one of a kind, and I have discussed my Joe's Law perspective with him on Skype. He responded to Joe's Law with, "That looks right to me," or some other positive reinforcement in other words; I did not quote him verbatim.

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Bloom appears to be infected with that nonsense, despite his obvious capacity to know much more about specific things than most everyone. He is a genius, one of a kind, and I have discussed my Joe's Law perspective with him on Skype. He responded to Joe's Law with: That looks right to me, or some other positive reinforcement in other words; I did not quote him verbatim.

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I can say without reservation that I think that Howard Bloom is the genuine article, a genius, and he means well, so there should be a significant amount of consideration, on my part at least, given to what he has to say.

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I can say without reservation that I think that Howard Bloom is the genuine article, a genius, and he means well. So there should be a significant amount of consideration, on my part at least, given to what he has to say.

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In other words, wars do not happen by accident, or randomly: they are driven by the deliberate willpower of specific people in flesh and blood.

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In other words, wars do not happen by accident or randomly: they are driven by the deliberate willpower of specific people in flesh and blood.

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