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| Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 01:19 pm |
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5/9/13 page ix Note: Scriptures used on the Title Page, Forward, and throughout are quoted from The Holy Bible, King James Version, unless otherwise noted. corrected typo "Foreword" & 5/14 added italics: Note: Scriptures used on the Title Page, Foreword, and throughout are quoted from The Holy Bible, King James Version, unless otherwise noted.
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| Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 02:03 pm |
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5/9/13 page x JOE, I don't understand which sentences you are talking about. I don't think I have ever understood, but I never asked. I always just tried to figure it out myself, but never can. So...I better ask in case other people are as dull as I am  So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the second sentence intends to show a measure of improvement (in other words), an effort to sharpen the tool.
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| Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 02:15 pm |
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This: I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits. Dark Horizons? In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other? Under Duress? So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly. That could be improved as being this: (?) I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits. Dark Horizons? In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other? Under Duress? So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence in this Introduction: poorly. The way I write, the way I think, is such that I don't know if that is an improvement to be precise to a point where the reader has no need to think, to be left without work to do, but failing to make any sense whatsoever is certainly a failure.
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| Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 02:51 pm |
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Joe Which sentence is the 2nd sentence?
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| Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 02:54 pm |
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5/9/13 Foreword & Introduction, pg 1: italicized FOX News The Daily Paul The Daily Paul Joe Quote
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| Posted: Fri May 10th, 2013 01:04 pm |
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bear, I see now the problem you may have identified. I see a problem for sure. This: So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the second sentence intends to show a measure of improvement (in other words), an effort to sharpen the tool. That should be "the fourth sentence," or the first three sentences should be combined to make one sentence. Does that make sense? I could rewrite as such: I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits. Dark Horizons? In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other? Under Duress? So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably. I think that does help avoid the error in communication. Good find, and thanks again. This is becoming a much more serious effort to hammer out the words on the anvil as we work at being wordsmiths?
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| Posted: Fri May 10th, 2013 08:16 pm |
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This is becoming a much more serious effort to hammer out the words on the anvil as we work at being wordsmiths? Seems I remember a friend who participated in the process to create crushed rock? I think you gave me some words about that one time, and the concept of a rough cut becoming a finer cut. I think maybe it had to do with book writing, but as far as which abyss it is in...I have no idea Thank you for the words above regarding the sentences. I have been gone since 8 this morning so I haven't done any book work. But will start back with that incorporation and ask if I have further questions about it. I left you a reply here: http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_post.php?post_id=5796 and would like to know that you received it. You do not need to reply, I just want to know that you got my words. They were meant to be an encouragement. Can your forum "nest" replies? I don't know if that is the proper lingo... yours truly, the toothless bear  ...
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| Posted: Sat May 11th, 2013 08:52 am |
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bear, I got the message. Revelation 13:17 KJV And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. While I listen to Bill Cooper my mind is working. I am thinking about Sergey, and I am thinking about the concept of ego. Confidence in being right? When a counterfeiter counterfeits... What is counterfeited?
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| Posted: Sat May 11th, 2013 10:07 pm |
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ego: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego Are you referring to one's own self-concept? Too much self-confidence could be egotistical? When a counterfeiter counterfeits... When a counterfeiter counterfeits... A counterfeit is counterfeited. So are you saying Bill Cooper is a counterfeit producing a counterfeit? We have had our little town fair today so I did not get any bookwork done. I am slow. Monday I have a "Mother's Day Tea" to attend and Tuesday I am driving the Amish. My bookwork is going slow. ...
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| Posted: Sun May 12th, 2013 12:59 am |
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Generally speaking, not speaking about Bill Cooper, the idea that some THING can be counterfeited suggests that some THING exists. What is the thing being counterfeiting in any case of counterfeiting? If religion is seen only as a counterfeit, a fraud, then I think it may be a good idea to look for the THING being counterfeited. That was my point. Bill Cooper was shot and killed, and that could be understood as a murderous act, or an investment made by someone to reach a goal, or who know what, there was no Trial by Jury concerning the death, as far as I know, and there was no counterfeit Trial by Jury, again, as far as I know.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 05:55 pm |
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5/13/13 page x I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits. Dark Horizons? In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other? Under Duress? So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the second sentence intends to show a measure of improvement (in other words), an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably. replaced with (per Joe) I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits. Dark Horizons? In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other? Under Duress? So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 06:54 pm |
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5/13/13 page x In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other? Under Duress? So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably. changed to add italics and modify puntuation: In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other? Under Duress? So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach; to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 10:51 pm |
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5/13/13 page xi A small part of the entire, and ongoing, process of discussion is documented in this book, whereby discussion on vital matters happened, and is exemplified for those who share that interest in knowing better, and those who understand the vital necessity of accurate communication in Liberty. Changed punctuation: A small part of the entire and ongoing process of discussion is documented in this book. Whereby discussion on vital matters happened and is exemplified for those who share that interest in knowing better, and those who understand the vital necessity of accurate communication in Liberty.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 11:06 pm |
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5/13/13 page 1 Clashes in the Power Struggle is the human condition happening in times and in places; and these events are ongoing in the minds of individual examples that represent Mankind, including bear, who tends to be a better representative of spiritual POWER, and the struggle includes Joe who represents, in his own mind, an average Joe worker, representing productive economic POWER, also known as Labor. Changed Punctuation: Clashes in the Power Struggle is the human condition happening in times and in places; and these events are ongoing in the minds of individual examples that represent Mankind, including bear, who tends to be a better representative of spiritual POWER, and the struggle includes Joe, who represents in his own mind, an average Joe worker representing productive economic POWER also known as Labor.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 11:13 pm |
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5/13/13 page 1 This particular discussion quickly moves to the topic of Criminal Power and Victim Power as Joe continually reminds bear that what is meant for public consumption is not the truth, thus, the Joe Quote that begins this segment of discussion is the sobering reality that though many of us have been trained to believe that the powers that be are a loyal and patriotic lot working for their constituents, the reality is that criminals have taken control. Punctuation changed: This particular discussion quickly moves to the topic of Criminal Power and Victim Power as Joe continually reminds bear that what is meant for public consumption is not the truth; thus, the Joe Quote that begins this segment of discussion is the sobering reality that though many of us have been trained to believe that the powers that be are a loyal and patriotic lot working for their constituents, the reality is that criminals have taken control.
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| Posted: Mon May 13th, 2013 11:19 pm |
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5/13/13 page 2 Not only can someone be greedy, a Scrooge, supposedly evil incarnate, by miserly practices of always making sure that the soiled end of the stick is handled by other people, and not only are there generous charitable people who give away everything to other people, supposedly copies of Jesus Himself, but there are people who give things so as to then take things and there are people who take things so as to give things, and in the middle is equity? Changed punctuation: Not only can someone be greedy, a Scrooge, supposedly evil incarnate, by miserly practices of always making sure that the soiled end of the stick is handled by other people. And not only are there generous, charitable people who give away everything to other people, supposedly copies of Jesus Himself. But there are people who give things so as to then take things, and there are people who take things so as to give things. And in the middle is equity?
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| Posted: Tue May 14th, 2013 10:41 am |
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bear, Thanks for taking so much care in fixing these rough edges.
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| Posted: Tue May 14th, 2013 11:44 am |
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You're welcome, Joe. As much as I have WANT to talk, I just can't, so I will LACK that pleasure. I have alot on my plate right now. I am going to spend all spare time working on editing. I got my garden in yesterday. I would have liked to take pictures and do a DP post, but I just didn't have time for that pleasure. I am with the Amish today and we will be on the go most of the day so I am not expecting much down time. The boys have a concert performance tonight and tomorrow we are going on an all day school field trip to Fantastic Caverns. Jeff is off Wed so we will drive south as a family instead of north to school. I am looking forward to it. I agree with Surgey on Music. Bill Gothard speak of beat and harmony and I have also heard of a missionary whose children were playing rock music and the Africans wanted to know why the missionary's children were calling the demons to come... I really wanted to join the conversation On to book work
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| Posted: Tue May 14th, 2013 11:50 am |
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5/14/13 page 2 Modern day information transfer is nothing short of a revolution. And in order to compete there are inventions that include free, or no monetary price, information packets available everywhere on these terminals we call Lap Tops, Cell Phones, Personal Computers, I-Pads, and many other names for basically the same thing: terminals. Removed word "And" Capitalized I and T Modern day information transfer is nothing short of a revolution. In order to compete there are inventions that include free, or no monetary price, information packets available everywhere on these terminals we call Lap Tops, Cell Phones, Personal Computers, I-Pads, and many other names for basically the same thing: Terminals.
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| Posted: Tue May 14th, 2013 11:54 am |
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5/14/13 page 2 Individual connecting points, or terminals, connecting to one homogenous medium of exchange, and here you may want to know a thing or two about electricity and the concept of how electricity finds the path of least resistance. Changed punctuation. Individual connecting points (terminals) connecting to one homogenous medium of exchange. And here you may want to know a thing or two about electricity and the concept of how electricity finds the path of least resistance.
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