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| Posted: Wed Sep 4th, 2013 10:34 am |
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Joe, there is a note above this regarding my progress. I also have a change in my own words I would like added if it is not too much trouble or out of scope of where we are in this process of finishing Joe Quotes. It is in this bear comment on page 28: "I am not my own; I belong to everyone else, and this little space, this little place, I have found in writing and learning belongs to me. That may not make much sense to you, but it does to me. If that about me makes it so I am not qualified, we need to know that.... If it is possible I would like this added "to learn" after the word qualified. So that the words would read "I am not my own; I belong to everyone else, and this little space, this little place, I have found in writing and learning belongs to me. That may not make much sense to you, but it does to me. If that about me makes it so I am not qualified to learn, we need to know that....
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| Posted: Wed Sep 4th, 2013 01:31 pm |
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bear. I can change those words right now in my copy, and in that way my copy will be the only copy being changed. As to page count with footers seen, or unseen, I am at a loss to understand how that works, but I can ask if that is something done with the .pdf file viewer or in Word? I ran into a problem with the change of your sentence. Should I add the many dots after the period or leave only a period after "that"? "...to learn; we need to know that." or "...to learn; we need to know that...." There is no problem in pushing off the Printer to a later date, and it is already Wednesday so you are probably very busy. No problem at all, on my end, making sure that the file is as good as it can get according to you and I, without reservation.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 5th, 2013 12:19 am |
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Hi Joe, It is now 11 at night and I haven't stopped since I left the house this morning (Jeff managed to buy a used truck and a used house all in the same day, so we spent a couple of hours driving to get this truck. He is very patient when looking for a vehicle. He always seems to find what he is looking for at the price he wants to pay.) The sentence should end with a single period. I put the dots in my note to you because the sentence was a part of a larger paragraph. I am sorry for the confusion. The sentence should read: If that about me makes it so I am not qualifiedto learn; we need to know that. Thank you for changing the words for me. I do not know what you are referring to here, As to page count with footers seen, or unseen, I am at a loss to understand how that works, but I can ask if that is something done with the .pdf file viewer or in Word? but I am thinking I may have added more confusion the way I was referring to the page count. There is a page count with the numbers at the bottom of the page and those numbers are different from the total page count because the first part of the book is numbered different. Everything is fine as far as I am concerned with the page numbers and the footers. (i.e. the book is 174 pages long, but the last page does not say 174, nor should it because we start the actual numbering with chapter 1.) I am thinking that may be what we are talking about, but I am not sure. Joe, it looks like I will have very little time the next 2 weeks. I have not packed a single box because I didn't want to have my hopes up in case something fell through, so I have a major task ahead of me and we are supposed to be moved in 2 weeks and I have multiple appointments in the mix. I also am hoping to do a little painting before we move...if that all works out. I don't want to delay printing if you are ready to go, but also I don't mind having the bookwork on the back burner if that is the way you want to proceed. I just want to be upfront about my time limits so that you are not surprised. If the next 2 weeks are anything like today, I will be running ragged  Tomorrow I am taking the Amish to the dentist so I may have a little time there. I also may have a little time during soccer practice, so I may have bits and pieces of time where I will need something to do (like bookwork) while waiting. Thank you for your patience. If it runs out, just say so ...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 5th, 2013 12:46 pm |
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bear, I sent the file as it is to the printer with the following words sent in the same e-mail: Bookmasters, I am going to attach the .pdf file of the 174 page book already quoted for printing for Joe Kelley. This is not intending to be the final version ready for printing. I am sending this file to make sure that there are no major changes required to be done to the file in order for the file to measure up to the specifications required by Bookmaster. If there are no major changes required then the final version will be sent after at least one more reading by me or my friend who is acting as publisher, a few more or less words corrected, added, subtracted, or edited may yet be required. I just want to know if we are in the ball park with this file according to the quote, and according to the already submitted (and passed) book cover file. One thing that might be troublesome is a QR code intending to link a reader of the book to an Index Web Page. The QR code works when printed from a computer onto printer paper, and I want it to work when a reader of the book uses a cell phone to scan the Index page in the book where the QR code is to be printed. The QR code is on page 156 in the file now being sent for evaluation (if possible). Joe If it works out that I have time to go through the book another few times, and you are not able to get through it one more time, in 2 weeks, then I may get impatient. It has been a long time in the making, so another 2 weeks may be a good thing, or it may be, I don't know at this time, it may be time to just go ahead and get it printed. No response yet from Bookmasters on the latest file that includes your change to the sentence "...learning..." It must be nice to be busy, just before falling asleep. Joe P.S. Each time I re-read the following sentence I marvel at the artwork. In this chapter, you will find various concepts, things, and actions compared with one another; thus, lifting the cloak of deception so that one might peer into well-lit rooms where truth illumines thru comparison.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 5th, 2013 02:56 pm |
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bear, On page 49 I see a possible error in the use of quotation marks: "I asked him, “WHO is not keeping obligations: College Students or the Criminals in Government?" Are there supposed to be single quote marks around the question being asked, and then double plus single marks a the end of the sentence?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 5th, 2013 07:10 pm |
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bear Guest
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Joe, Punctuation on page 49 should be: "I asked him, 'WHO is not keeping obligations: College Students or the Criminals in Government?'" Good catch! Today I have managed to fall face first out of the van into an Amish dirt driveway. My Amish friend thought I opened the door and had a heart attack or something. I also managed to lock my keys in the van while on the Amish dentist trip so Jeff had to take an hour off of work to unlock the van for me. This is the first moment I have had to even check on bookwork and I have to be at the new house in less than an hour to go thru a walk thru with the sellers so they can cue us in on any of the quirks to upkeep the place. I have only managed to pack 2 boxes which only partially emptied the china cabinet. Joe, you may loose patience with me if this is the way my next 2 weeks pan out. Good idea to send a preview to the printer to get some feedback. I will do the best I can in this mix of life I am experiencing. Yes I am going to bed busy, almost so that I can't sleep because I am too tired and yet hyped up at the same time.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2013 12:22 am |
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Jeff is the hero, saving the day by unlocking the Van! So, at some point, at least this has happened to me, the idea of slowing down and being more deliberate, so as to avoid taking two steps back for every step forward, appears to be a good, competitive, next step. I fixed the quoting on page 49. No word back from the printer yet. My brother, his wife, and their 2 kids have recently moved, and it is taking them months to get out of one house and into another. If you can do that in 2 weeks, then you earn a few gold stars? I received a response from Bookmasters. Here it is: Hello Joe, From what I can tell given my limited software, everything looks good except for some fonts that are not embedded. Our pre-flight check will be the final test to ensure there are no issues that would effect print quality. The QR code should not be an issue if it works from your home printer and cell phone. We would produce it as is without any changes. I responded with this: Thanks for the quick response. I will try to find out why some fonts are not embedded, and how to embed them. I am new to this and my help is very busy moving. Joe I can't replace your viewpoint on the status of the book, no matter how many times I read the book looking for errors to correct, or improvements to make, since I have only my own eye (one is lazy and does not work right) to see. I am almost through another reading and I found only that quotation mark error this time around. I can read again, and I can reach my own state of satisfaction that the book is free from errors, as far as my eye can see, so far. I do have experience writing, and then publishing, or submitting articles, and then later realizing that there was an error here and there. Embedding files with Word That is what I have found so far. I just tried in Word: Save AS, then PDF, then options for PDF, click the box for ISO 19005 -1 compliant (PDF/A), and then save the file. Open the PDF with Adobe Reader, look in properties, then fonts, then notice how all the fonts now say (Embedded Subset), where they were not all Embedded according to the Adobe Reader/File/Properties/Font when saving from Word without checking the ISO 19005 -1 compliant (PDF/A) box. So.... I updated my e-mail to Bookmasters as such: I don't know if this is a new phenomenon called e-mail tag (like phone tag), but I want to add to my last e-mail with a report on my finding how to check embedded fonts and use the PDF Save Option in Word: ISO 19005 -1 compliant (PDF/A). Rechecking Adobe Reader Properties I now see all Fonts listed as (Embedded Subset). I can now look through the book again to see if I can find any more errors. Joe
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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2013 10:23 am |
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bear Guest
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Joe, I did not fall out of the van yesterday (my lower lip looks like I took one to the jaw. I told Jeff if wasn't careful, I'd blame it on him, lol - he has never hit me, nor raised his voice at me), nor did I lock my keys in it, nor did I pack a single box, nor did I any bookwork. The only thing I did wrong yesterday was put too much in the freezer and the door wasn't shut all night... I am overwhelmed, I will not be opening my computer again until I have things under control on the home front. I hate leaving you with the Sound of Silence, but I have no options at this point. My personal cost is too great as I try to take care of multiple Amish families, I am left too spent to take care of my own. I have to rearrange my priorities today. I will contact you as soon as I can. I am sorry to do this. I am not infallible and as you know, I have read the book multiple times and am responsible for things that have been in error. I didn't even have all the fonts imbedded...a major issue and you fixed it! OK, my friend Joe, I will return when I can. If I do any bookwork in the mean time, I will just write to say where I am, but please do not expect anything. That is where I am today. I feel sorry and sad when I should feel excited and happy to be moving to the country, a life-long dream. I am in a bit of a bad place at the current. ...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 9th, 2013 10:17 am |
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bear Guest
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Joe, I did not do any bookwork all weekend. Today I have to continue to pack. I have 2 appointments in town and have an evening soccer game to attend. I can hardly stand not knowing how bookwork is at your end. Even though I have taken a break, your book is still in my thoughts. I hope all is well with you and yours. My mom and pop were here this weekend and Mom is a packing pro and I am feeling much better today about things. I don't know how this week will pan out, but I could not stand the Sound of Silence and had to leave you a little note today. Thank you for your patience.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 9th, 2013 01:55 pm |
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bear, Bookmasters did not reply to my last e-mail, and that may be a priority thing too. When I send the file and tell them this is it, the finished product, then they will probably put me back on their list of things to do today. I read through it finding only that quotation mark error the last time I went through the book. I want to go through it again, and I do want your final walk through complete to your satisfaction too. When you are ready I can send the latest version I have, where that quote error is fixed and where all fonts are embedded according to PDF READER. Much is going on in the world right now too, Syria, and World War III. Much is going on at home too. Whenever you are able to respond, then you will respond. Thanks for the update, and it sounds like you have extra power to hold down the new fort, reinforcements helping in the move.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 9th, 2013 09:53 pm |
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bear Guest
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Thank you Joe I have a doc appt tomorrow. There is a chance I will be waiting in the waiting room and waiting in the patient room, so I might be able to do a little bookwork tomorrow. Is it a problem to use the pdf I already have? After all, I have managed to make it to page 38 of 174
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10th, 2013 01:57 pm |
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bear, I checked my sent folder and I see that you have been sent the file titled: Joe Quotes 09-02-2013. That is the finished version I have minus the fix on the sentence with a quote error. You have all the changes I made in that file other than that quote fix. I am curious to here your opinion concerning the changes I made, adding quotes to the ends of chapters, and extending the sales pitch in Sale or No Sale. I also rewrote some of the words in Joe's Law. I do not see any change in the fonts from un-embedded to embedded so far, and that may be something you might not see if there is a change, if you don't embed those fonts with the file you are reading. I have yet to read through another time. Work was busy for me the past few days. Pages 56, 57 "Saying the nation of Israel will only be restored by Messiah and that the humanly done Zionism is not according to God’s Will." bear, That quote is one of your sentences and I am finally zeroing in on it for possible improvement. I have trouble understanding that sentence even now. Each time I read it I have trouble with it. I get it, I think I get it, in a general sense, but the actual sentence appears to be the source of my trouble. Is it worth the effort to improve it before it is printed in 100 books, and who knows how many copies of E-books? That sentence may have made much more sense in context with the words before it. It (the sentence) is not now in context, so it may be a good idea to rewrite the sentence, or add the relevant sentences preceding that sentence??? Page 117 The word empathetic is the correct word and so I am replacing the wrong word in this sentence. "I do so willfully and with great interest. I cannot be emphatic, so defined."
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10th, 2013 08:55 pm |
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Joe,"Saying the nation of Israel will only be restored by Messiah and that the humanly done Zionism is not according to God’s Will." That sentence out of its original context. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. The original quote was http://www.dailypaul.com/259985/liberty-day-challenge-july-4th-2013-v2?page=1#comment-2829436 : Joe, I still haven’t ironed out my understanding of the nation of Israel as determined by the United Nations in 1948. I see religious Jews here: http://www.dailypaul.com/256465/ahmadinejad-embraces-the-jew... Should we use the complete quote? (Perhaps the first time on page 56 and then just a partial on page 57 since the context will have been established? ---------------------------------- Page 117 The word empathetic is the correct word and so I am replacing the wrong word in this sentence. "I do so willfully and with great interest. I cannot be emphatic, so defined." ------------------------ I always read empathetic when I was reading it. I never caught the mistake emphatic. Joe, even though you have one lazy eye and one eye that does not see well (I think that is what you explained to me), your eyes are better than bear eyes which began wearing glasses when she hit her 40's. I can no longer read fine print...evidently I can't even read normal print...with glasses. I read what I want to read instead of the word that is. I have said it before and I will say it again: "You are very smart Joe!" ------------------------------------- On page 142 of 174, since we have removed Joe's Slaw recipe, can we add back bear's original Point which reads: Joe’s Law and Joe Slaw both take time to understand. One is hot and spicy with radishes, or so I hear…the other…provides a key to abundance. The recipe for Joe’s Law is shared below. If you want the recipe for Joe Slaw, you will have to ask Joe. Joe’s Law is used here to prove the point that the American public needs to create and begin using competitive forms of currency. I always liked that original version and when I modified it to add the page number for the recipe I changed some of the other words as well, but now they can be changed back if OK with you. ---------------- I haven't run into any of the quotes at the end of the chapters yet. I will go back to see if I missed them before I got to page 38. I'll then go straight to Joe's Law and to Sale or No Sale to see your changes. I can also look at the chapter ends to see your new quotes before I start back at page 38 and read thru. I am not packing tonight. I am too tired, but not too tired to do bookwork. So, I will work abit tonight. Not sure how far I will get. I will keep you posted though ...
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10th, 2013 09:16 pm |
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Joe, I also have a comment above this one. But I want to also ask this question: Is page 122 of 174 the first quote that you have added to the end of a chapter? ------------------- OK also, as I am scanning thru the document to look for chapter ends/quotes added, I noticed page 151 of 174 starts lower on the page than normal. Is that the way you are wanting it? ------------------------- I am finished scanning the end of the chapters for added quotes. I just found them in 2 chapters and the 2nd one I found is a portion of the first quote I found. Is that right? (I am not sure if I am making sense. I am tired.) Both quotes were Patrick Henry.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10th, 2013 10:06 pm |
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page 150 of 174Is that clear? Does that answer those concerns?” No, as a matter of fact it is not. I still want to know WHY this loan is a "government service," AND WHERE does this "government - our government" get its money to provide this "service"? And what right do this so called government have to offer services and limit profits? Afterall, I did lunch room duty this week. Our private Christian school has bought into the "Free" food commodities that "our" government "offers." The children are allowed 1 teaspoon of katsup for baked, saltless french-fries. There was so much whole wheat macaroni and cheese thrown away by the children, I could not lift the garbage bag out of the garbage can. A Huge 6 foot 8th grader is allowed the same portions as a 5 year old...and when the skinny 5 year old comes back for 2nds with a cleaned plate, they are told they can't have any more...the 8th grader can't have any more either even though his is nearly twice the size of all his classmates. Further more, the children may only have a 2nd serving of vegetables once a week, and must take every food on the menu whether they want it or not..."our" government says so...with this "FREE" commodity they offer...with strings attached all the way to Washington DC. They buy the commodities with MY tax MONEY, so it is MY food that they are dictating how will it will be served to MY children and every other child in schools that take this "FREE" food. So, tell me, how is this "new" government going to regulate itself and its "services" without stealing COMMODITIES from the PEOPLE regulating everything to DEATH so they people can "ENJOY" these "FREEBIES"? ...the day I did lunchroom duty was the morning of the day in which I fell out of the van on my face and locked my keys inside as well...it was quite a day. I had quite a bit to say to the GOVERNMENT "trained" lunch preparer...I told her that when we forsake our God-given common sense and follow government orders instead, we are being conditioned just like Nazi prison guards who starved people to death...because they were following orders. I was sick to my stomach at what I saw, and my conscience was violated when I was not allowed to give the child who had cleaned his plate anything else. He said, "I am still hungry." To bad kid, your school is accepting FREE COMMODITIES, and even though you are going thru a growth spurt, you cannot have any more food...while the skinny little girl after him threw her whole seaminly untouched tray of food in the garbage...what government nutrition did she consume during lunch time? None. The big 8th grader didn't get his caloric intake, the little boy who was still hungry couldn't have anymore, and the skinny little girl can just starve the rest of the day. I DONT WANT ANY FREE SERVICES. I WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE. I WANT OUR FARMERS LEFT ALONE. PLEASE, JUST LET US HELP OURSELVES. Joe, if 60% of your income was not stolen thru taxes and regulations, you wouldn't need a government service to offer you a loan. You would have your own power. -------------------- Please be sure to see the 2 replies above this one. Also, my brother-in-law has called and is COMING IN THE MORNING to start moving furniture to the new place. I AM NOT READY. Instead of getting ready, I am going to bed. I hope I wake up in the morning ready to move fast! There are still some things that need to unloaded from furniture before it can be moved. Fibromyalgia has been kicking in the last few days, so not only am I tired, I am weak and tired. 25-30 years ago, I would have stayed up all night and packed. I guess I have lost my edge, and the sad thing is, I don't care. But maybe it is just that I can't care because I just can't do what I want to do. My muscles don't let me. I was listening to some nutritional doctor saying that fibromyalgia was corrected in lambs thru nutrition. It was a condition called stiff lamb disease (I think). Anyways, I am going to look into it when I can. ----------- I haven't read Joe's Law yet. I have wanted to tell you about the lunch room all week long. I just havent had time. I really didn't have time now. Please remember to look at the 2 replies above this one...they were about bookwork.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10th, 2013 10:18 pm |
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bear, As I re-read the book I find more and more that your words, your perspective, our artwork, is striking, overpowering, and therefore I think you need to decide exactly what needs to be done with that remaining point of contention in this book. This: Should we use the complete quote? (Perhaps the first time on page 56 and then just a partial on page 57 since the context will have been established? My opinion is such that the way to fix this requires your focused attention, when you have time to focus your attention on this specific problem. My suggestion is that you have a lot of room before added words will use up the blank space on Page 71 and there is a blank page between Page 71, the last page of and the Deep Rooted Self Destruction, and the first page of the next chapter, so there is plenty of room to add whatever you want to add in the context of that specific discussion and the book in general. I have often considered adding more links to the INDEX so you can also open that door up and we can use up the space (1/3 of a page) left in the INDEX page. At this point I can add all the changes as you decide to make without any need for you to edit the file, send the file, or work with the file. We are close to a finished project. Why be in a hurry at this point? I always liked that original version and when I modified it to add the page number for the recipe I changed some of the other words as well, but now they can be changed back if OK with you. I can make that change now, so as not to forget, and I too prefer your actual words to my hurried version of your words in my rush to get the book to the printer. But I want to also ask this question: Is page 122 of 174 the first quote that you have added to the end of a chapter? Using Adobe (PDF) Reader I see page 123 of 174, and in the book the page number is 112, and that is where I remember adding the first quote addition by Patrick Henry, and I used a shorter quote at the end of the next chapter from the same source. OHH! I am finished scanning the end of the chapters for added quotes. I just found them in 2 chapters and the 2nd one I found is a portion of the first quote I found. Is that right? (I am not sure if I am making sense. I am tired.) Both quotes were Patrick Henry. That is right from my view. As to this: I noticed page 151 of 174 starts lower on the page than normal. Is that the way you are wanting it? I see in Word the numbers are working to find the page where the start of the text is not at the top of the page (like every other page) so I fixed that too. Thanks. I hope that you have a good night.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11th, 2013 08:54 am |
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Joe, I was writing while you were writing last night. I hope you might have time to look back to find my words concerning Sale No Sale. I am sure it will get your goat as I see thru bear eyes and can not quite see thru Joe eyes. I used all caps. Not because I was screaming, but just so that you will note the words with bear emotion. We are moving today so this is all I can write. Thank you for allowing me the time to move and then concentrate on bookwork once again. I did go to sleep last night with the pdf of Joe Quotes being read aloud by the computer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11th, 2013 11:52 pm |
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bear, Thanks for directing me to vital questions I have missed. No, as a matter of fact it is not. I still want to know WHY this loan is a "government service," AND WHERE does this "government - our government" get its money to provide this "service"? And what right do this so called government have to offer services and limit profits? In order to get from point A to point B it may be a good idea to accurately measure both points first. 1. Point A Legal Money Monopoly Fraud and Extortion whereby the Extortion is a method of creating targets out of people who make something worth stealing, and then taking that which is worth stealing from those people by giving those people two really bad choices, or the lesser of two evils, which is to pay, without question, this much, or pay, without question more. Then there is the Fraud part, which covers up the Extortion part, and the Fraud part is the part where there is only ONE MONEY with which to pay all DEBTS including the DEBTS demanded by the Extortionists, and in that way the people who produce the ONE MONEY have unlimited Legal Purchasing Power. 2. Point B Anything but Point A, so long as it is not worse than Point A, and so, naturally, a competition can be started among anyone, anywhere, who may offer, voluntarily, options that are other than Point A. So, having that understood, where we are, and where we may want to go, there is then a need to invent a way to get from Point A to Point B. Self-governors can invent options, in the form of any money, of any kind, and to get the ball rolling, there can be an agreement, which is an agreement made by anyone, anytime, to use the government issue money, that is offered by contractors who submit bids to get the license to make money and sell money, so long as the money made, and sold is not as bad as Point A, and so long as the money made is not worse than Point A, or, in other words, since we have accurately identified, and understood what is Point A, we, the governors, agree, voluntarily, not to be a part of a Legal Money Monopoly Fraud that covers up Legal Extortion. I will stop there to see if that works to convey the understanding in such a way as to fill the demand for answers to the vital question. ...take this "FREE" food. You are speaking about misdirected people, or willful criminals, in control of power at a local gathering of people. How do you equate that with a concept of Equitable Commerce applied to Legal Banking? I have no idea, how you can bridge the gap, and that is why I kept on asking for your participation in a play acting of a sales event between an imaginary customer and an imaginary seller of Legal Loans in Equitable Commerce as I know such things can work, principally. If you want to get down to the base of the problems you see at the local gathering (which has nothing to do with what I am intending to convey to you), then you must figure out a better way, and then you must go to where the buck stops, and change the way things are done from wrong to right. You will have the hardest time, in my opinion, finding where the buck stops, but it is not hard to do, it just may require persistence. The "hardness" factor may merely be a problem of you encountering one, two, three, or many people who merely follow orders without question, and eventually you find the person who has the power to make those wrong rules, and then you can, at that seat of power, offer a reasonable alternative. You see Point A, in your local situation. You can (with some effort because you are intelligent, reasonable, honest, and a good person) figure out something better than Point A, so call your vision Point B, and you offer, at the seat of power, once you find the seat of power, your vision. That is how to get from Point A to Point B, in that local situation, and in that way, we are then on the same, basic, base, principled page. At the seat of power, in your local situation, you may encounter people who are not as honest, not as reasonable, not as intelligent, as you are, and so that may be problematic in getting from Point A to Point B. The World Monopoly Bank People, a number of people, are guilty of the worst crimes ever to have been set in motion by any inhuman beings. The principles are the same, perhaps the degree in which the evil, or the good, is expressed, is variable. So, tell me, how is this "new" government going to regulate itself and its "services" without stealing COMMODITIES from the PEOPLE regulating everything to DEATH so they people can "ENJOY" these "FREEBIES"? The idea concerns a takeover of the Law Power away from the Central Banking Frauds, which is the Point A spoken about earlier, and then to get the ball rolling, so as not to suffer dreaded "Economic Collapse," the place where the buck stops, which would be The President, which would be an assumption concerning the existence of an actual Federal Government (a power that was not under the control of the Banking Monopoly Criminals), and so an order is issued to solicit 10 contractors, as a starting point, whereby 10 contractors submit bids to fit a contract for replacing The Dollar Hegemony with 10 competitors who seek to offer the highest quality money products at the lowest cost to anyone. So, again, that was never discussed up until this point, since now is the timing of this discussion, at your request. If that does not make sense, then it makes sense to me that you can confuse a voluntary association, something that may seem to be foreign in concept, with an involuntary association, such as The Dollar Hegemony which is, at this time, ubiquitous. I did lunchroom duty was the morning of the day in which I fell out of the van on my face and locked my keys inside as well...it was quite a day. A true warrior, which is what you are, suffers at times. I think your story is worth knowing. I don't know what else to say about that without crushing egg shells. I know that my words may cut, at times, but I also know that my intent is to help you, because you help me. I am without shame a selfish person, while I also know that helping other people makes me happy. I think that you understand. I don't know. I have to rely upon trust. .I told her that when we forsake our God-given common sense and follow government orders instead, we are being conditioned just like Nazi prison guards who starved people to death...because they were following orders. I am following my routine of not reading ahead, so at this point I am cheering on, as if to say that my estimate of you remaining silent was an error on my part, but I have to clarify, to ask, to make sure, that you are telling me know that you actually did say those words. I think that you did, and at this point, again, I am a cheerleader. I have my pomp pomps, and I can twirl my baton. If you have had enough, then you can see how outbursts may not be the best method of communicating, so in the future, doing due diligence, you may figure out how to avoid reaching the breaking point, doing something better, doing something sooner. Again, I do not know. I DONT WANT ANY FREE SERVICES. I WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE. I WANT OUR FARMERS LEFT ALONE. PLEASE, JUST LET US HELP OURSELVES. Here is the thing that I do know. I run for President on the internet. I ran for congress on the official (costly) ballot. Why? How much better can I do things compared to sociopaths, narcissists, nihilists, psychopaths, torturers, rapists, child rapists, murderers, and mass murderers, who use fraud and extortion to gain their power over their victims? Not much better? How much better? How can I know if I do not try? So I try in my mind and in the real world, as it actually exists. You do too, and you do so because you can, you are still alive, despite all the power working to end your life. So I have my view. You have your view. They are not the same view. That is a good thing. What is similar? I don't like waste too. I don't like false claims of things being free either. Why are you assuming, if that is what you are doing, that the idea of competitive banking loans are in any way free? You have not even asked how those loans work, those loans in my viewpoint, so you automatically assume that those loans, in my view, are transfers of stolen property? You never give me any credit whatsoever while you claim to be giving me credit? So you have these shoes on your feet that have had enough and so you speak out, and you do so intending to expose the obvious wrongs, which is very good, and again I am heading the cheerleader squad on that one. So what replaces what is, where what is is not as good as what can be? Joe, if 60% of your income was not stolen thru taxes and regulations, you wouldn't need a government service to offer you a loan. You would have your own power. So, I am an honest person that you can talk to, someone that will not intentionally harm you, and so you can project your challenging, competitive, experimental, viewpoints onto me, as if I am an alter ego, a sounding board, but I am me. I am me. I spent years and years at hard labor and I don't know what exactly was stolen from me each hour? I don't know how that power produced by me was consumed in torturing and murdering so many people? You may not want to know me, and now I can tell you something that occurs to me, having to do with people so blind that they merely follow orders without question, feeding garbage, like stuffing poison down the throats, of innocent people, knowing all the while that what they are doing is wrong, and they destroy that knowing, they become beasts in the process, and they you help them see better. Is it easy? No, and it is not easy for me to resist the too comfortable employment of curse words, when speaking to you. Please be sure to see the 2 replies above this one. The page start was raised (not lowered) so it is fixed, and the Joe's Slaw point/start was returned back to the original. I can send the file for proofing. Instead of getting ready, I am going to bed. I hope I wake up in the morning ready to move fast! From my power perspective that makes sense to me. You can't run out of power and expect to have the power required to do more work. If I am not up to date, then I can get up to date because I want to be up to date, but I may have missed something, so again, I need your help. Thanks
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Joe, we just got internet access. We had to switch to a new service because our old service did not work out here on this dirt road I have read your reply fast, but I have to get sleep now. I am Pat and Pat is asking John all of those questions about those loans because Pat is old and set in her ways and she does not understand the new reality she finds herself in. She is still mad about the old reality and all the power that was stolen from her over the last 38 years or so. Make it 50...after all the power that was stolen from her parents affected her for the 12 years of life before she started earning an income. You might liken it to being shell-shocked when the words government regulations are used. Joe, how do these loans work? And thank you for restraining your language. You have kindly done that from the first time I asked, and I appreciate it. What does it mean to be shamelessly selfish? Are you selfish? Do you not have any shame? OK, I have a day with the Amish tomorrow. My mom is coming next week to spend the week with me to help me get organized. And yes, I did say those words out loud to the government trained lunch director, and many more. She may not want me to help anymore. Joe, I would trust John to do right by Pat before I would trust any government which is a group of people removed from the situation to do right by Pat. I think decisions should be local. People at the new CVS pharmacy cant even make certain decisions locally...they have to follow corporate rules. I changed pharmacies to one which is locally owned and operated and decisions are made by the owner...in-house...within government regulations...of course. I think group think is too easily taken over by criminals who are shamelessly selfish, so much so they commit crimes because they are selfish. ...
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bear, My understanding of shame has to do with my understanding of conscience, whereby there can be a confusion caused by lies. If there is confusion caused by lies, then shame may be the result of doing good things, as if conscience is "providing the means by which we suffer" instead of doing the effective work that conscience is designed to accomplish effectively. Cases in point: 1. I love to help other people, so when I do so it is a selfish act, because I love it. Do I feel shame when I do things that I love to do, because I get such a huge reward (profit) for doing things that make me so happy? What does it mean to be shamelessly selfish? Are you selfish? Do you not have any shame? If I click on an advertizement on my Facebook page where there is a woman with large breasts in view, do I feel shame? Yes, but I do it anyway. I may be confused in that department. I am not confused in the department whereby I love to help other people, so therefore I do not feel any shame when I seek out that PROFIT, that REWARD, of helping other people, even when there is no positive, or even when there is a negative, reaction to my efforts to help. I do not destroy my love of helping other people when I fail, rather, I work to find effective, rather than ineffective, ways to help other people. What is a warrior? What would a warrior look like in Liberty (where crime no longer paid so well)? And yes, I did say those words out loud to the government trained lunch director, and many more. She may not want me to help anymore. How will you know if you were helping? I think decisions should be local. In order to help, to me, I have to spell things out, and therefore I did spell things out, and I did so with a brief description of Point A and Point B. Point A is not local. Point A is a Global Criminal Legal Money Monopoly POWER. There is a local solution, in the sense that there will be (at Point B) loans between free traders, whereby the exchanges are equitable, not criminal. I tried. How will I know if I help? I changed pharmacies to one which is locally owned and operated and decisions are made by the owner...in-house...within government regulations...of course. In Liberty (borrowed from bear is the concept of being inside of Liberty) the term "government regulations" would be local, not "corporate," as those in Liberty would not be confusing Crime made Legal with self-government or voluntary government. The criminals have long ago taken over the POWER of effective medical treatment, so why call it "government regulation" when speaking about orders from the criminals that are to be followed without question? I think group think is too easily taken over by criminals who are shamelessly selfish, so much so they commit crimes because they are selfish. An example of "group think" is to refer to criminal orders (that are to be followed without question) as being orders offered by people hired to maintain "government regulations". An example of a government regulation is one that all the self-governors agree, voluntarily, to follow. Such as: It is not lawful to murder babies in a church by burning them to death while they are still alive. When a person says that the National Government is our government, my blood begins to boil. Why make such an outrageous claim as to claim that the National Government is ours, in any way, any shape, or any form, whatsoever? I can give you an example of group think. I changed pharmacies to one which is locally owned and operated and decisions are made by the owner...in-house...within government regulations...of course. What is government? What does the word mean? Where is the person sitting in the seat of power whereby that authority is ordering orders to be obeyed without question? If the idea is to communicate accurately, then trial and error may work to reach that goal, if the goal can be reached, and if the goal cannot be reached, then what is the point, or the purpose, of "communicating"? Group think? If it makes a person happy to "help" other people in a church, to "help" them by burning them alive, then such a person may consider their own actions as being "helpful," since the babies being burned alive are having their souls used for a higher purpose? The "helper" who is happy about "helping" is actually, in their own mind, a generous person, and not at all selfish? What can a misdirected person do other than harm, as they continue to provide the means by which they suffer? What is the cost of the mountain of lies? Why call criminals anything but criminals? As to the book project, I am now finding it very difficult to follow your directions on where pages in your copy line up with pages in my copy. Example: I noticed page 151 of 174 starts lower on the page than normal. That is right on my copy when opening the Word file. Page 151 of 174 is listed as page 141, and it is the Chapter OK. I moved the text up on the page to where it should be, like all the other pages in the book (as far as I know at this point). Example 2: On page 142 of 174, since we have removed Joe's Slaw recipe, can we add back bear's original Point which reads: I found the quote needing to be changed but it was not listed as Page 142 of 174. Depending upon where the page is while scrolling that quote is listed on Page 136 or 137 of 174 while I use Word to find that quote. The Page number is 127 which is the start of the chapter titled Joe's Law. Now my copy reads: Joe’s Law and Joe Slaw both take time to understand. One is hot and spicy with radishes, or so I hear…the other…provides a key to abundance. The recipe for Joe’s Law is shared below. If you want the recipe for Joe Slaw, you will have to ask Joe. Joe’s Law is used here to prove the point that the American public needs to create and begin using competitive forms of currency. That is cut and pasted from the Word file. This may be too much more power robbing work for you at this time. I am trying to keep things orderly, because I have not yet resolved at least one thing. I resolved those things above, but not this: Joe, "Saying the nation of Israel will only be restored by Messiah and that the humanly done Zionism is not according to God’s Will." That sentence out of its original context. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. The original quote was http://www.dailypaul.com/259985/liberty-day-challenge-july-4th-2013-v2?page=1#comment-2829436 : Joe, I still haven’t ironed out my understanding of the nation of Israel as determined by the United Nations in 1948. I see religious Jews here: http://www.dailypaul.com/256465/ahmadinejad-embraces-the-jew... Should we use the complete quote? (Perhaps the first time on page 56 and then just a partial on page 57 since the context will have been established? Adding more links to the INDEX appears to be required in this adjustment. That is OK, and I can then have the door open to add a few more links that are missing (but not a big deal) concerning other references like the Bill Clinton YouTube video where he says "It depends upon what is...is..." No big deal, no rush, I'm just trying to organize things some, and that last thing in double lines appears to me to be one of the last things not yet adjusted. The one other thing might be an additional response from the buyer in the Sale or No Sale transaction. If more is added to the book then I have to consider making another book cover .pdf since the book may be larger and wider. That can be done, and why not? I don't know how much more can be added, since it looks like a whole book could be added, whereby the seller and buyer require a lot more negotiating before a sale is finalized.
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