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 Posted: Wed Aug 28th, 2013 02:35 pm
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I just sent a reply to Bookmasters concerning their marketing brochures offered as a Service for hire.

I can forward that exchange if you want me to.

 

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I have been running like a crazy woman.  And now finally I have some minutes to myself :)  Joe, if you would like me to see the information about marketing, I will look at it.  I don't mind.  I also don't mind if you make executive decisions apart from my knowledge of it/them.  It is exciting to being this close to done!  And it is exciting that you are very interested in marketing the book. :)

We might move in the next couple of weeks to a home in the country.  If that should happen, I will suddenly be very busy packing and painting and cleaning.  I am trying not to get too excited about it because things can always fall through.  It seems everyone in this small town knows about it even though we have not told them.  We are kind of private, which is kind of ridiculous because everyone else seems to talk about it, but we don't.  We are still not used to the  small town grapevine. So, I am telling you about it because we have just sent off paperwork to get a loan from a retirement account so we are getting close. (You know, that money that is Jeff's, but he can't have it.  Seems like a guy named Joe discussed that in a book that I read often.)

I am working on the book pages right now.  I worked abit on it last night, but I did not succeed in the effort.  Something seems crazy with the book formatting.  But I do think I will get it worked out.

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I sent an e-mail.

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Joe, when I open the word doc there is 174 pages. However, when I view footer the page count changes to 177 even though I haven't added any page numbers. So then I close the footer view and the page count decreases to 171 pages without adding any page numbers. But then when I open the footer again the page count jumps up to 177 without even adding page numbers.

This is making me think that maybe the document page size is extending into the footer margins, but I don't know.

I am going to look into the page size and see if I can discover anything.

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Joe, I think this is what is wrong:

close to the top of the page, maybe 1/4 of the way down, this information can be found on this website:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211432

How Headers and Footers Affect Margin Settings

Word prints headers and footers in the top and bottom margins. If the header or footer is too large to fit in the margin, Word adjusts the top and bottom margin to accommodate the header or footer. That is, if the header or footer becomes too large vertically to fit in the margin, it starts expanding downward (for the header) and upward (for the footer), reducing the amount of text that can be displayed in the body of the document.

To prevent Word from moving the main document text (downward or upward) when the header or footer gets too large to fit in the margin, follow these steps:

On the File menu, click Page Setup.
Click the Margins tab.
Type a hyphen (-) before the Top or Bottom margin setting.

NOTE: If the header or footer is too large, it may overwrite (superimpose) the main document text.



With that information, and my little experiment noted in the comment above this comment, I think that with the removal and the reinsertion of the footers text is expanding. i.e., if footers were removed while pages were being moved around, the text flowed into the full length of the page leaving no margin for the footer. Then when the footers are reinserted, Word reshuffles the text so that the footer doesn't write over the text in the page.

So, while we were working on the book the page numbers were on so it was not a problem. But I am thinking that maybe while some hacking :) was going on, maybe the page numbers turned off and then the text took up all the room at the bottom of the page and then when page numbers were re-added the text expanded creating more pages.

Now that is probably confusing, but I think we found the problem.

I will work at getting the footers reinserted and the pages reconfigured so that the text does not over flow the footer margin. I think that I can get that figured out. I am not sure about timing. I am running out of time today before dinner and we have church tonight. I admit I was sleepy while trying to do bookwork so I decided to take a little nap and then the phone started ringing and I was detracted for a while with helping our neighbor.

But all in all, I think we are in a good spot to fix the problem at this time. Much further than I was last night or today while I was sleepy.

I partially read the email you sent from bookmasters. It sounds good. I don't want you to have to go thru lots of trouble sending me things, but if it is not too much trouble it is helpful for me, because today I went back to look at the notes that the original bookmasters person you were working with to check on margin sizes, and even the size of the book. So the information is worth knowing about in case I have questions about how to do some "publishing" work, I have some references.

So now I am going to break until I have a segment of time where I can devote my full attention to the footnote/paging effort as it will take a measure of concentration on my part. And I still have the mind of that fish, but not the degenerate voice that comes from that fish.

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Joe, I am so happy to say that I got the pages added back and the page count is 174. I am emailing you the files now. I updated the table of contents as well. Please take a look and make sure the pages/margins for binding are falling in the right format for Joe eyes.

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I have what I think is the finished product. :)

I will send it back to you on Monday for your final review before this book goes to the printer next week,  or if you want it sooner, I can send it sooner, but not until I make one more look through it.

I added some more quotes from Patrick Henry. I did not add any more footnotes. I extended the Sale or No Sale chapter some, based upon recent discussions we have conducted.

I found one word that was plural that fits better being singular.

Other than that above, the product you sent to me was done, so I think we are very close to having an actual book in hand.

I am a little bit unsettled with the deal made earlier about sending you 10 copies at the cost of 10 FRNs each, as you could just as easily get those 10 copies without paying anything for them, and then if you sell them, you could buy more with the money made in selling them.

I guess old prejudices concerning how equitable commerce is done are sources of unsettled feelings.

In any case, to me, having other people read the book, offering feedback, helps me; besides any monetary considerations.

Tonight I have to make Spaghetti sauce for a day with my brother's family, my oldest brother, not Jack, as he is returning home after awhile of being away at work.

It will be good to see him.



 




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"I have what I think is the finished product. :)"

That is wonderful Joe!

So exciting! Send it back when you can and I'll take a final read through. Tuesday looks like my most open day. The boys starts school then.

"I am a little bit unsettled with the deal made earlier about sending you 10 copies at the cost of 10 FRNs each, as you could just as easily get those 10 copies without paying anything for them, and then if you sell them, you could buy more with the money made in selling them.

I guess old prejudices concerning how equitable commerce is done are sources of unsettled feelings. "

Joe, I feel good about the deal. I want one signed copy for me, and then I will give the others as gifts. It is my contribution towards the printing cost as well. I want it that way. If I remember right, Jack gave $100 for printing...are you giving him 10 copies or 1? :)...That may be an interesting take on gathering printing money as well as distributing a sprinkling of copies. Kind of like mini distributors. They pay $100 and get 10 copies to give away (or sell if they like). It seems like that would be a way to work with close friends and family as they have a personal interest in the author and his book...Maybe you could pretend your wife is giving you $100 and give her 10 copies as well to give as gifts. That would be $300 of the $500 printing cost, right? (And 30 of the 100 books.)

Anyways, I had another thought today about your idea of selling a book for $100 and then having that person sell it for $90 and then the next $80, etc with a log in front of the book (I think that is the way you explained it).

My thought was, due to my JTK Education, with open competition, is there any reason why the book cannot be marketed multiple ways? Who says there has to be a single set price AND single set way of selling your product? Does not competition say that multiple paths can be taken simultaneously? Your family may have fun with the $100 pass it down deal and may also have friends who would have fun doing that as well! That may be a lot of fun. I can see my step dad's family doing something like that. They are a fun bunch. I tend to be more on the melancholy side (one of those traits I learned about when I took one of those personality tests back in the 80's).

So, it will be fun for me to give someone a copy of the book and tell them, "I am the bear in the book, please read it and see what you think." That may sound boring to Joe, but not to bear. (And bear does not like to sell things. It makes bear feel very uneasy inside. But when bear gives things away it makes her feel really good.)

Maybe with the DP folks there will be a completely different way of marketing that hasn't even been thought of yet?

I can see sending a signed copy to Michael as a gift. It could come out of my gift set. Who knows, Michael may even write or post about it...now that may be thinking too forward, but the thought came between my 2 ears and out my finger tips.

Have fun with you family and brother. I bet Joe makes some good spaghetti!

We are going to go look for a Trombone for Scott this evening. Jeff has been hunting Craig's List and has come up with several good leads.

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The following quote strikes me as a example of that which could be called genius.

Does not competition say that multiple paths can be taken simultaneously?
I think that you are beginning to exceed the boundaries placed upon your innocent soul, and once you have broken through, no one, ever, can put you back in such a cage.

Perhaps I am presuming too much, but that sentence in quotes above looks to me like those creative ideas that are not mine, they exist, but they are not mine, and I just happen to be able to see them.

Of course, the process of finding what can happen, without resort to deceit, and without resort to threats of violence, and without resort to violence, as a means of gaining power over, innocent, targeted, victims is wide open in as yet not realized possibilities.

The book is not like kilowatt/hours of electricity, having a fixed measure of power, so there is great difficulty in measuring it to any value standard, and if a capitalist is going to sell it based upon voluntary capitalist pricing methods, then finding that market price is not tied down with anything other than good moral sense (no lies, threats, and violence), but to me the idea is to leverage (as you have already shown agreement) the power into greater currency.

I mean, reinvesting any gains, so as to increase the number of readers, while making sure that the effort does not consume the host.

The concept of equity is there, while, at the same time, the concept of competition (inventive creativity) is unfettered, in your words, as I read them.

We can communicate well, compared to our capacity to do so at first blush?

That may sound boring to Joe, but not to bear.
There is another scale I see and on that scale are such things as running as fast as I can to start flying from a mountain while pushing my Hang Glider above me, my wings, so as to avoid much in the way of injury for failure to gain the required airspeed.
 
A common low end of the scale phrase is "watching paint dry," and I can assure you that every comment fed back to me on this book will be much closer to a mountain take-off than watching paint dry.


Maybe with the DP folks there will be a completely different way of marketing that hasn't even been thought of yet?
How about this for an angle of view not often experienced by average Joe, or a bear raising a few cubs:

I just received a return letter from Adam Kokesh who is currently being held without bail by the Legal Criminals in Washington D.C.

The date of the hand written letter back to me is past the date that Adam was hopping to get out of jail, and he requests from me some reading material.

I am going to go to the office tomorrow and print out Equitable Commerce and sent it on printer paper.

If you had no problem with sending Adam Kokesh a paper version of the book, then I would do that too.

Adam Kokesh has a high bandwidth terminal on the network of human beings.

He can get the word out, if he is not silenced, permanently.

I think it is great that Adam Kokesh is not being tortured to death for failing to obey without question.

You may not understand my viewpoint precisely.


I can see sending a signed copy to Michael as a gift. It could come out of my gift set. Who knows, Michael may even write or post about it...now that may be thinking too forward, but the thought ca
I had not tackled that process in any way on my own, and your angle of view on connecting to The Daily Paul with the book is very competitive, leaving me with no inspiration to look for any better way to break the ice on that path.


We are going to go look for a Trombone for Scott this evening. Jeff has been hunting Craig's List and has come up with several good leads.
I see that I have cut off some words (important words) in the previous quote. I read them, and they were understood and appreciated, if not quoted.

As to music, based upon my own experience, I strongly suggest investing on Music Theory Lessons of some kind, and if the teacher/teachers do not stress Music Theory/Framework/Scales/Meter/Rhythm/Key (frequency) then the foundation will not be built. The boy may have some fun, and may even seek the necessary information, or invent his own, but that is a very long shot, with very long odds, so the opportunity, while there is interest, aught to include basic founding instruction, tempered with entertainment value.

My brother Danny was given a Trombone, I was given a Trumpet, by my mom, and we were just out of Kindergarten. It did not last long. My mom's father was a musician, trumpet player.

Wind instruments may be much more fun because of the ability to shape sounds in ways that no one else ever has, which is my way of appraising the step from Piano to Guitar. Piano is very limited compared to the Guitar as to the power the artist has over the sounds that are created through the instrument.

I never got past the need to train my mouth in such a way as to actually play a song with the trumpet, as far as I remember.





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Joe, we returned late this evening.  I have read your reply and also see the email with attachment.

  Very interesting:

I just received a return letter from Adam Kokesh who is currently being held without bail by the Legal Criminals in Washington D.C.

The date of the hand written letter back to me is past the date that Adam was hopping to get out of jail, and he requests from me some reading material.

I am going to go to the office tomorrow and print out Equitable Commerce and sent it on printer paper.

If you had no problem with sending Adam Kokesh a paper version of the book, then I would do that too.


I wanted to be reply quickly to say, by all means, send any paper versions you wish.  This is your book, Joe, and as long as you haven't put any words into bears mouth, as far as I am concerned, you should do what you want with it.  It is interesting that the Adam has asked for reading material.  It is interesting that you are talking to him.  How in the world do you know how to get hold of him?

I really haven't kept up with Adam.  I didn't know he was being held until you mentioned it a few days back and then again today.  Just be careful Joe.  Adam may be into things that you don't know about - things that you may not want to be a part of in the sense that he is being held without bail.  I say that to someone who is a pal.

I can't help sounding like a mother bear to someone older than I. 

OK, it is late now so I will close. 

Thank you for your words about music.  I am hoping that Scott is getting the framework during piano lessons.

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Along the lines of finding information on Adam Kokesh, to see if the phenomenon of his gaining currency, famous or infamous, are things worth knowing I found a new form of insurance that looks much like an old Idea I had called Anti-Despotism Insurance.

I found out through this Insurance Provider the suggestion by someone to send Adam Kokesh personal mail.

Shield Mutual

That is the type of thing that will work with the hand held immobilizing defensive weapon, where the events occurring during a defensive action are uploaded to people who are then able to judge what happened, and if such things work out well, there can be a team of specialists sent to the scene of the defensive action, so as to aid in any further defense that may be required once the immobile person is no longer immobile.

If you look at the first of the next two links you can hear how someone explains what can happen in a situation whereby a person with a false badge is perpetrating a crime upon an innocent victim, and that innocent victim calls for help.

If it is the police (so called) perpetrating the crime, you can't call 911, and the example that proves that fact is the example when the victims in Waco Texas called 911 while the victims in Waco were being tortured and murdered by so called "Police."

The second link below is a concept that is also similar to my Anti-Despotism Insurance ideas:

Secret police

Tyranny Alert

I am reminding of the experiments done by Edison in finding a way to shed light in dark places.

I can't send the reading material to Adam until the Post Office opens on Tuesday. On computer paper I have printed the entire book by Josiah Warren, but that is only one side of that paper. I can run the same paper through and print Joe Quotes on the reverse. You now have the finish (as far as I know at this point) version, and as far as I know it is approved by you until you say different.

I remember now that I did add something to the book that you may not be yet aware of, you can find now on page 14 my Top 10 questions for the Presidential Candidates that were not easy to find in the many Threads on The Daily Paul. I only had room for my own questions, no answers, and none of your questions (or answers).

I can't see myself cheering for The Troops who are led to slaughter innocent people in defense of a Legal Money Monopoly Fraud, which so many people are now doing with this Syria crime in progress.  I can, will, and am very appreciative of someone like Adam Kokesh who realized the error of "serving" in "the military" while said military is run by criminals, and then that individual actually starts defending all that can be good in Liberty.

Something like this:

Honorable Mention

I have trouble walking these days, my hearing is not good, I can't see very well, I get dizzy, and I have a part in a family, so my POWER of defense is limited compared to someone like Adam Kokesh.

My thinking places someone like Adam Kokesh, former Military, or present Military, in the Defense of Liberty when the Legal Criminals no longer have Absolute Control over all their victims who are caught in Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question, such as those many who are now cheering for action in Syria.

When the Legal Criminals are forced out of their false offices of false authority it will be individual human beings doing that forcing, and the Legal Criminals are not going to volunteer to give up their POWER.

The scenario I see, picking one out of many, involves a Puppet Government of much less POWER than it's former self, here in America, after World War III, and the real POWER will then be based in Asia, so our battles at Home will be the same principle battle, those who produce something worth stealing being the targets, and those doing the targeting, but the New Bosses will be shadows of their former selves.

Russia is an example of what is on the schedule for America. Which types of people will gain control over the supplies of Surplus Wealth?

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Criminals
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Joe,

Good call on adding your top ten!!!

{quote]I remember now that I did add something to the book that you may not be yet aware of, you can find now on page 14 my Top 10 questions for the Presidential Candidates that were not easy to find in the many Threads on The Daily Paul. I only had room for my own questions, no answers, and none of your questions (or answers).

The only thing I would suggest about that at this point and not having read them closely is to add right justified margins so that they match the format in the rest of the book. That just stuck out to me.

I think adding those top ten was a perfect way to end the chapter and to make use of the blank space. Good thinking!

I have trouble walking these days, my hearing is not good, I can't see very well, I get dizzy, and I have a part in a family, so my POWER of defense is limited compared to someone like Adam Kokesh.

I used to think that I would never age...that it was something that only happened to other people. I also used to not know what it was like to have health challenges. I'd say when I hit my 40's I found out what those things were like. When I was 20 I didn't know how good it felt to be 20!

Thank you for the interesting links. You hand me stuff that I would never find on my own.

Russia is an example of what is on the schedule for America. Which types of people will gain control over the supplies of Surplus Wealth?

1.
Criminals
2.
Not 1


It seems to me like the criminals are always a step, and even if the are not, they will use any means to regain or steal what they want. After all, they are criminals.


You now have the finish (as far as I know at this point) version, and as far as I know it is approved by you until you say different.

I will try to read the finished version of Joe Quotes on Tuesday. We are going to visit Grandma tomorrow. We are supposed to close on the house on Wed, and I will say as soon as that happens, if it goes off without a hitch, I will become otherwise disposed for a couple of weeks.

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I have changed a few more things in the book while I am trying to get the final final final, no more finals, finished product.

Including a moving of text on the back side of the title page where it looks lower than the Contents page. I did that because I finally figured out how to look at the book with the PDF FILE READER so as to have back pages on the left, and front pages on the right. The Title page appears in ONE PAGE VIEW (even though the option in menu is TWO PAGE VIEW) and then the next page viewed is TWO PAGE VIEW where the left page is the back side of the Title page and the right page is the Contents page, on and on, as if turning the pages while viewing the file is a replication of turning book pages in a book.

I also took out a LINK that was previously called No Statute and put in place a link called The Big Lie. I have a question on that, but I'm not wanting to delay the schedule to try to get this thing to the printer this week, so I can go or not go the printing with my small changes here, on your say so, if you trust that I have not done things against your wishes/will/better judgment.

I took out a repeat reference to the Sniper and put in place a link to the actual Documentary called Waco The Big Lie produced by Linda Thomson.

My question concerns the dates so I can cut and past here to illustrate what was, and what now is, in the INDEX:

Was:


1.       No Statute
Horiuchi Fired At Waco -- Cases Found, [,]http://www.apfn.org/apfn/horiuchi.htm], November 2012
2.       Deep Rooted Self-Destruction
Joe Kelley, “The Daily Paul Forum: Deep rooted self-destruction,” [,]http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2829436:], November 2012.



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1.        The Big Lie
[,]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wUucANBY_8], September 2013
2.        Deep Rooted Self-Destruction
Joe Kelley, “The Daily Paul Forum: Deep rooted self-destruction,” [,]http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2829436:], November 2012.

I changed the date to this month, because it is this month whereby I edit this editorial change in the book.

I am also set to go ahead and print up the book on the back of the paper that already has Equitable Commerce printed, where these pages will be sent to Adam Kokesh, and hopefully (in my opinion) the kidnap victim will be released, and the package is then forwarded at the cost of the kidnapers.

Also, I was able to right justify the list of Candidate Questions as suggested.


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Joe, tomorrow is first day of school and I am trying to real in my bedtime so that I can get up in the mornings and have a good start to the day. I see your message and will figure out about dates. I cannot remember the rules at this moment. I think, though (hopefully) that I included a link to the rules in the forum somewhere and will look into it in the morning after I have everyone out the door. :)

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Don't let me add to your costs, please. If needed this project can be delayed, no problem.

I personally am not so strict on rules governing my writing as to need to fix a date in the Index.

I am responding here to ask you to discard the last files I sent, since I have added more to the Joe's Law chapter, taking out some words, in the effort to remove a lot of confusion that exists in that chapter.

I hope to be done tomorrow, and a check by you would be nice, or if you are going to be too busy, for too long, then I can ask if it is OK to just send the file to the Printer without your final walk through <---------- Real Estate Lingo

I can delay too. Having more time to go through and perfect, or get to a point where I know I should not change another word.


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:) Joe, You still writing Joe Quotes :)

I will wait to hear from Joe regarding bear taking a final look. At that time we will see what bear is up to.

I had to look at the date thing for my own peace of mind. I suppose you didn't need to look since you used the date on which you accessed the file per http://classroom.synonym.com/format-endnotes-properly-4063.html

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Include the website URL and date on which you accessed the site, if citing information found online. For example: Margarette Burnette, "5 Innocent Ways to Drive Up Car Insurance," [http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/110130/5-innocent-ways-to-drive-up-car-insurance], July 2010.

I found that information from a link JOE saved: http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_post.php?post_id=5691

:) Have a nice day, Joe. I will now look into doing something with the big bag of garden fresh okra handed to me at church Sunday. We have such crazy schedules in this house, I can hardly plan when to use it fresh.

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I finished another reading through the book last night, having done some edit work in Joe's Law chapter to try to make The FED crimes and the IRS crimes easier to understand.

I can send the finish .pdf while I go through it one more time.

If you get a chance, then please consider looking for the changes at least.

My last go through I checked all the text in the Index for URL Addresses and they checked out.

In order to read the .pdf I have Two Page View, Show Gaps between Pages, and Show Cover Page in Two Page View checked, and the Reader Program then has the Title Page as one Page, and then all the book pages are on the correct side left to right and front to back.

I am diving back into the book to see if it is finally finished for the prototype run.



 

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 Posted: Tue Sep 3rd, 2013 04:25 pm
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Joe,

Yes, send on the pdf and I will do what I can.  I will look forward to reading the pdf in book format!  I am glad you figured that out!

I can send the finish .pdf while I go through it one more time. If you get a chance, then please consider looking for the changes at least.
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I know I am supposed to be reading. I am right here:

Ron Paul sets the bar of wisdom, an example to strive to emulate.

Another person to send a copy to?

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Joe, I want to keep you up to date on my progress:

I am on page 26 (page number at the bottom page of the book or 36 of 174 if looking at total page count).

So far the only thing I have noted is: pg 16 - I failed to indent Henry Ford quote


I did not get as far as I had hoped yesterday.  I will continue at my snail's pace as I am able until you tell me otherwise. 

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