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The purpose for beginning this new topic in my mind is that I have come across one of Joe's posts that contains so many quotes that perhaps the work can be published as a stand-alone submission to various sources of information, perhaps even letters to news paper editors.

Perhaps these submissions are such that they could easily be mass distributed with limited editing as needed without the complete effort of publishing a book.

In my mind, the thing about stand alone papers or commentaries is that they are easily passed along from one person to the next thru various channels having the potention for mass impact.

Such as short works like Commen Sense, but maybe even shorter!

Commentaries that can begin opening the eyes of those trapped by abject belief in falsehood, as well as give strength to those messengers that are sounding the alarm: "The King has no Clothes!"

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http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3035556

Gaining Strength?

"You are the first person who ever said words like those to me. However, they were not that strong to begin with. I have added that quote to Joe Quotes II"

[Many do] not share my interest in slaying dragons, and [so] I have this hobby, so it is difficult for me to convey how precious it is for me to hear when someone acknowledges my work as being valid work.

"I suppose it would be a problem if the congress solves the problem in a way in which they were not authorized. I suppose it might also be a problem if the congress places the burden of the resolution of the problem on an involuntary group of people."

Please read the words written in this link on that subject:

http://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog#page/n14...

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But, Sir, it was to no purpose that the futility of their objections were shown, when driven from the pretense, that the equality of suffrage had been originally agreed to on principles of expediency and necessity; the representatives of the large States persisting in a declaration, that they would never agree to admit the smaller States to an equality of suffrage. In answer to this, they were informed, and informed in terms that most strong, and energetic that could possibly be used, that we never would agree to a system giving them the undue influence and superiority they proposed. That we would risk every possible consequence. That from anarchy and confusion, order might arise. That slavery was the worst that could ensue, and we considered the system proposed to be the most complete, most abject system of slavery that the wit of man ever devised, under pretense of forming a government for free States. That we never would submit tamely and servilely, to a present certain evil, in dread of a future, which might be imaginary; that we were sensible the eyes of our country and the world were upon us. That we would not labor under the imputation of being unwilling to form a strong and energetic federal government; but we would publish the system which we approved, and also that which we opposed, and leave it to our country, and the world at large, to judge between us, who best understood the rights of free men and free States, and who best advocated them; and to the same tribunal we could submit, who ought to be answerable for all the consequences, which might arise to the Union from the convention breaking up, without proposing any system to their constituents. During this debate we were threatened, that if we did not agree to the system propose, we never should have an opportunity of meeting in convention to deliberate on another, and this was frequently urged. In answer, we called upon them to show what was to prevent it, and from what quarter was our danger to proceed; was it from a foreign enemy? Our distance from Europe, and the political situation of that country, left us but little to fear. Was there any ambitious State or States, who, in violation of every sacred obligation, was preparing to enslave the other States, and raise itself to consequence on the ruin of the others? Or was there any such ambitious individual? We did not apprehend it to be the case; but suppose it to be true, it rendered it the more necessary, that we should sacredly guard against a system, which might enable all those ambitious views to be carried into effect, even under the sanction of the constitution and government. In fine, Sir, all those threats were treated with contempt, and they were told, that we apprehended but one reason to prevent the States meeting again in convention; that, when they discovered the part this convention had acted, and how much its members were abusing the trust reposed in them, the States would never trust another convention.
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The First Con Con was the example set to prove how evil evil can get if allowed. The people will end up providing the means by which we suffer.

The most effective part of that deception, in my opinion, is the idea that no government can ever work in any way, and therefore We The People must send our earnings to evil people so that evil people grow more numerous and more powerful, while the honest productive people grow steadily weaker.

Note these words:

"That from anarchy and confusion, order might arise. That slavery was the worst that could ensue, and we considered the system proposed to be the most complete, most abject system of slavery that the wit of man ever devised, under pretense of forming a government for free States."

You see, do you see bear, the False Gods, the False Federalists won so completely, so absolutely won, in that first Con Con, that they now make everyone think that all government is bad, and now people think that no good can ever come from honest people representing honest people.

The Legal Criminals won so absolutely, in that first Con Con Con Job, that the fears of the true representatives of Free Market Voluntary Government, like Mason, and Henry, and the author of those words, a witness to the Secret Proceedings, had their worse fears realized because they lost the battle to MOLD the behavior of the people they represented.

The honest representatives offer the truth, the stark naked truth. The False Federalists offered campaign promises that would be broken. Hamilton's National Debt, which was a lie itself, since the bankers actually borrow from The People, and then the bankers claim that The People borrow from the bankers.

How complete can victory get if ever there was a better example of Legal Crime winning, let me know what that case was, please.

"In fine, Sir, all those threats were treated with contempt, and they were told, that we apprehended but one reason to prevent the States meeting again in convention; that, when they discovered the part this convention had acted, and how much its members were abusing the trust reposed in them, the States would never trust another convention."

Don't you see how that works? The Criminals volunteer to be Benevolent Dictators and then they lock the door once they gain that POWER.

It is an inside Joke, and even Ron Paul may be the mark, the victim, the one who is subject to the Joke, as if by some magic the targets can't see the truth despite ample warnings.

Can we have a good version of a Constitutional Convention?

I think the answer is such that failure to do so will be the ruin of mankind: on schedule.

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The bad Con Con continues to provide the means by which we suffer to Legal Criminals and the end result is human extinction or worse, as World War III plays out, and The New World Reserve Currency Power, probably based in Asia, collects "our" National Debt here at home, for our part in that new Holocaust we financed with our earnings.

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States effectively sever the connection between The People and Legal Crime at the False Federal Level, and Civil War is averted (even the name Civil War would be a lie), and the new State representatives find agreement in combining Separate State POWERS into one defensive POWER, so We The People return to a Voluntary Free Market Government Design as they are designed to work the way they do work, as The People demand and then get what they pay for, without being subject to deception, threats of violence, and violence perpetrated by the FALSE governors who fail to represent The People on purpose for their exclusive profit.




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