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I am reading this:

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/docs/foundingdocs/Antifederalist.pdf

Federalist Papers (genuine NOT false)

I am finding many words worthy of note such as the word Trimmers.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trimmer

Someone who fluctuates between opposing factions, political parties etc., according to current interest.

Second. The trimmers, who from sympathetic indecision are always united with, and when not regularly employed, always fight under the banners of these great men, These people are forever at market, and when parties are nearly equally divided, they get very well paid for their services.
That from:
ON THE PRESERVATION OF PARTIES, PUBLIC LIBERTY DEPENDS This essay follows a theme similar to Federalist No. 10,and appeared in the Maryland Gazette and Baltimore Advertiser, March 18, 1788.

My work here:
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/comments-monday-meetup-03-31-2014

Is cut and pasted now:

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Is anyone investing in accurate accounting of free market government insurance against fraudulent defenders of the innocent?
Is it a good idea to offer a question compared to enforcing an order to obey without question?

Those who seek to enslave the innocent know precisely how to accomplish that goal, and when that goal is reached for by those who reach for that goal, they, who are knowable as criminals, enslave themselves, as they voluntarily give up, entirely, their own innocence, trading that precious commodity for gilt instead of innocence.

Above are 3 offers of sentences offered to anyone who cares to read, 2 are questions, and the third is an accurate accounting offered in the form of a declaration.
Keeping within a framework of enumerating I will reach for an investment in accurate accounting of free market government insurance against fraudulent defenders of the
innocent.

1.
Go to (not an order, rather a request) the Blue Menu Bar, go to Doc, go to Founding Documents, go to Anti-Federalist Papers – Please.

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/docs/foundingdocs/Antifeder...

Why?

If you do not read those words written in that form, which is a form consisting of voluntary offers of competitive efforts to accurately account for sound investments in defense of Liberty, defense of the innocent, defense of this country, as the people invest in defense against criminals who take over, and monopolize, the power of money, the power of currency (including language), and the power of defensive government.

If you do not understand that, you won’t understand this:

2.
http://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog#page/n14/mode/2up

Why is it a good idea to understand that?

Understanding that will empower those who understand that with the power required to recognize the accurate accounting of those who invest in effective defense of the innocent AND those who invest in effective enslavement of everyone including themselves.

3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMSF8mCR6M0#t=445

Those who blew the whistle on the first Con Con in 1787 were precise, very precise, in accurate accounting of precisely what was being done behind those closed doors in Philadelphia.
 
Here is a quote for those who seek to invest wisely:

“But, Sir, it was to no purpose that the futility of their objections were shown, when driven from the pretense, that the equality of suffrage had been originally agreed to on principles of expediency and necessity; the representatives of the large States persisting in a declaration, that they would never agree to admit the smaller States to an equality of suffrage. In answer to this, they were informed, and informed in terms that most strong, and energetic that could possibly be used, that we never would agree to a system giving them the undue influence and superiority they proposed. That we would risk every possible consequence. That from anarchy and confusion, order might arise. That slavery was the worst that could ensue, and we considered the system proposed to be the most complete, most abject system of slavery that the wit of man ever devised, under pretense of forming a government for free States. That we never would submit tamely and servilely, to a present certain evil, in dread of a future, which might be imaginary; that we were sensible the eyes of our country and the world were upon us. That we would not labor under the imputation of being unwilling to form a strong and energetic federal government; but we would publish the system which we approved, and also that which we opposed, and leave it to our country, and the world at large, to judge between us, who best understood the rights of free men and free States, and who best advocated them; and to the same tribunal we could submit, who ought to be answerable for all the consequences, which might arise to the Union from the convention breaking up, without proposing any system to their constituents. During this debate we were threatened, that if we did not agree to the system propose, we never should have an opportunity of meeting in convention to deliberate on another, and this was frequently urged. In answer, we called upon them to show what was to prevent it, and from what quarter was our danger to proceed; was it from a foreign enemy? Our distance from Europe, and the political situation of that country, left us but little to fear. Was there any ambitious State or States, who, in violation of every sacred obligation, was preparing to enslave the other States, and raise itself to consequence on the ruin of the others? Or was there any such ambitious individual? We did not apprehend it to be the case; but suppose it to be true, it rendered it the more necessary, that we should sacredly guard against a system, which might enable all those ambitious views to be carried into effect, even under the sanction of the constitution and government. In fine, Sir, all those threats were treated with contempt, and they were told, that we apprehended but one reason to prevent the States meeting again in convention; that, when they discovered the part this convention had acted, and how much its members were abusing the trust reposed in them, the States would never trust another convention. “

All that above is a whole days work for someone just now waking up to the fact that we the people have been warned about our enslavement many times and it may be a good idea to listen up.

4.
http://www.lawteacher.net/english-legal-system/lecture-notes/equity.php

Quote:

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EQUITY AND THE COMMON LAW

Rivalry between the Courts

The Court of Equity (or Chancery) became very popular because of its flexibility; its superior procedures; and its more appropriate remedies. Problems arose as to the issue of injunctions: the common law courts objected to the Chancellor issuing injunctions restraining the parties to an action at common law either from proceeding with it or, having obtained judgement, from entering it in cases where, in the Chancellor's opinion, injustice would result. Consequently, a certain rivalry developed between the two courts and this came to a head in the Earl of Oxford's Case (1616) 1 Rep Ch 1 in which the common law court gave a verdict in favour of one party and the Court of Equity then issued an injunction to prevent that party enforcing that judgement. The dispute was referred to the King who asked the Attorney-General to make a ruling. It was decided that in cases of conflict between common law and equity, equity was to prevail. From that time on the common law and equity worked together, side by side.

As equity was developing, it had no fixed rules of its own and each Chancellor gave judgement according to his own conscience. This led to criticism about the outcome of cases and John Selden, an eminent seventeenth century jurist, declared, "Equity varies with the length of the Chancellor's foot". To combat this criticism Lord Nottingham (Lord Chancellor 1673-82) started to introduce a more systematic approach to cases and by the nineteenth century, equity had become as rigid as the common law. Delays were caused by an inadequate number of judges and the officials depended on fees paid by the litigants so that there was every incentive to prolong litigation for individual tasks and mulitply these tasks.

Some attempt was made to assimilate the remedies granted by the Court of Chancery and the common law courts. Thus under the Common Law Procedure Act 1854 the common law courts were given some power to award equitable remedies and the Chancery Amendment Act 1858 gave the Chancellor the power to grant damages in addition to, or in substitution for, an injunction or a decree of specific performance.
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Before moving on I can offer an explanation concerning all that hard work above, for your deliberate deliberation and sound judgment as an investment by the people in defense of the innocent people, so helps us God, so help us anyone with common sense.

The common law was counterfeited along with every other effective method by which the people defend the innocent, so you must know, failure is not an option, you just know by now that there are always, there will always be, a genuine effective offer of something valuable AND a counterfeit version offered by criminals who invent counterfeit versions of the genuine articles so as to then have a false front that criminals love to hide behind, and what better false front than the one that falsifies investments in effective defense against those same criminals?

The Joke is on who? Please consider the value of confession.

Were you taken in by first Con Con Con Job?

What is government?

What is money?

If those who supply government and money to meet the demand for government and money are criminals and those supplies are not accurate accounts then they are not accurate because those who offer them are lying, or because those who accept them are lying?

Note the question mark.

5.
http://www.casact.org/pubs/proceed/proceed26/26225.pdf

Investments made by investors who invest in a future benefit must be understood along these lines:

a. Genuine accurate accounts crediting the source of the power to purchase as being the creator of that power to purchase and therefore following the money to that source finds people who are innocent of the crime of theft.

b. Fraudulent accounts crediting the criminals as the source of the power to purchase as being the creator of that power to purchase and therefore following the false money to that source finds people who are guilty of the crime of theft. They stole from people who actually produced anything worth stealing.

If common law (genuine not counterfeit) was not destroyed or incorporated (counterfeited) by the criminals in 1787, which is or is not an accurate accounting, a demonstrable fact, then a trial by jury (genuine not counterfeit) would be written down in a genuine (not counterfeit) Court of Record according to common law.
Where is such a case? If there is no such case, then it is well past time to put the first case in the record books.

What is the subject of this TOPIC?

The bad news is that the truth is that the accurate account is that the criminals took over America in 1787 and John Darash is blind to that fact, or won’t admit it, or is too busy to be bothered with minor details, or some other accurate accounting that I am unaware of but not unaware of due to my failure to ask. I’ve asked. I’ve challenged. What is the accurate account?

a. First Con Con was a Con Job as told by many of the actual Federalists (not the counterfeiters)

b. First effort to assemble the representatives of the people so as to figure out how to pay War Debt was the creation point of a powerful document used to accomplish specific goals such as, legalize slavery, enforce fugitive slave laws, legalize piracy with "Letter of marque and reprisal," which is, demonstrably, code (legalese) for piracy, begin enforcing a National Debt Payment Schedule directly targeted the people, no longer chained down from such tyranny, and were it not for the true, genuine, founding fathers such as George Mason, Patrick Henry, and other Federalists (falsely called Anti-Federalists in the Monopoly Media Press of the day), there would have been no Bill of Rights offering investments in effective defense of Liberty, pointing to common law, and trial by jury.

c.
All hail the Constitution (blind obedience: without question)

The good news is that John Darash understands the solution to the counterfeit government problem.

Who else understands the solution to the counterfeit government problem?
If trial by jury according to the genuine (not counterfeit) common law (predating the English language so even the words “common law” do not accurately account for trial by jury handed down from generation to generation in the history of people) is going to work then more people need to know the accurate account, not less, so parroting lies does not help.

That is the ending of this genuine offer.

Parroting lies does not help.

Final quotes from one of the founding criminals:

"But Hamilton wanted to go farther than debt assumption. He believed a funded national debt would assist in establishing public credit. By funding national debt, Hamilton envisioned the Congress setting aside a portion of tax revenues to pay each year's interest without an annual appropriation. Redemption of the principal would be left to the government's discretion. At the time Hamilton gave his Report on Public Credit, the national debt was $80 million. Though such a large figure shocked many Republicans who saw debt as a menace to be avoided, Hamilton perceived debt's benefits. "In countries in which the national debt is properly funded, and the object of established confidence," explained Hamilton, "it assumes most of the purposes of money." Federal stock would be issued in exchange for state and national debt certificates, with interest on the stock running about 4.5 percent. To Republicans the debt proposals were heresy. The farmers and planters of the South, who were predominantly Republican, owed enormous sums to British creditors and thus had firsthand knowledge of the misery wrought by debt. Debt, as Hamilton himself noted, must be paid or credit is ruined. High levels of taxation, Republicans prognosticated, would be necessary just to pay the interest on the perpetual debt. Believing that this tax burden would fall on the yeoman farmers and eventually rise to European levels, Republicans opposed Hamilton's debt program.

"To help pay the interest on the debt, Hamilton convinced the Congress to pass an excise on whiskey. In Federalist N. 12, Hamilton noted that because "[t]he genius of the people will ill brook the inquisitive and peremptory spirit of excise law," such taxes would be little used by the national government. In power, the Secretary of the Treasury soon changed his mind and the tax on the production of whiskey rankled Americans living on the frontier. Cash was scarce in the West and the Frontiersmen used whiskey as an item of barter."

From:
http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-American-Revolution-Kentucky-Resolution...

Failing to realize the value of accurate accounting is not an option if the goal is accurate accounting.

Prima facie
TOPIC:
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/mondayrecording/14-03-31.mp3

Current United Republics History?


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Update 05-08-2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U94A5SmTUOo
I stopped that Educational Video at the point when the Rancher spoke the term Equal Footing. I stopped to link this:
http://freedom-school.com/private-property-rights.html
That is not wild goose chase stuff sending defenders of our Liberty down a rabbit hole. That is common sense, common law, natural law, God's Law stuff. From the concept of authority NOT being a Tyrant, to the concept of authority being God's Law or Natural Law, from true authority, real authority, NOT Tyranny, in so many words, common sense authority, from that are claims of ownership of land, claims made by various people, including regular Joes and including Tyrants. Who settles any case of conflict concerning any claim of land anywhere across this land of the free where we defend each other from Tyrants?
How do we the people communicate our common sense claims to our common law land ownership or our stewardship (we can't abuse each other with land, or with pointed sticks, or with rocks thrown by tyrants, or lies told by liars) in cases of disputes? How do we defend ourselves from false claims?
Terms like equal footing doctrine have worked, are working, and will work so long as English words carry accurate meaning in time and place, and so long as the people are not fooled by Tyrants, and their lies, when Tyrants change the meanings of words at their pleasure and at the cost of those who fail to realize the deception.
Equal Footing Doctrine and Title Abstract and Allodial Title are terms that mean specific things concerning any conflict arsing whereby a cloud is placed on a claim of title. The one who can prove a constant chain of title back to the original owner (God or Nature) wins in a common law grand jury case BEFORE it goes to a trial jury case, and if someone does not listen to reason, then 12 people are randomly selected (by lot) from the local area where the dispute occurs, and then those 12 people solve that problem. If those 12 people are stupid, those 12 people may then be criminals themselves, for failing to know Natural Law concerning claims of ownership of land, or failing to trace back authority to real authority, failing to trace back authority beyond the Tyrants, failing to avoid BEING tyrants.
Why is that idea offered to you now? That idea is offered to you now because common law grand jury POWER during the grand jury negotiation stage ASSUMES that 25 people include at least one person who knows such things as Equal Footing Doctrine, so as not to then rely on only 12 people to represent the whole country of people, as is the concept of trial by jury, which is trial by the whole country, NOT trial by tyrants.
If 25 people representing the whole country cannot offer a reasonable deal to those in conflict over a land dispute, what does the accuser and the accused think will be their chances when only 12 people are working on Justice, Honor, and Mercy in that case of that dispute over land ownership claims of authority?
Quote from the link that links the people to the information on LAND TITLES:
Quote time:
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When property is held in allodium, all police powers are removed from the property. There are no building permits required and there are no property taxes (feudal duties) due. When property is held in allodium, the title is called a Land Patent.
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That is the stuff of our common sense, common law, which we the people ought to know, so we the people can effectively defend each other in our common law grand juries and our common law courts and our common law trials by our common law jurists who are assembled by lot to accomplish any conflict resolution in time and place, and do so honorably, justly, and mercifully.
Man has been on land for how many years? Millions of years, and just now the idea of conflicts over claims of land ownership have to be settled by ordeal? Employees of a foreign corporation show up with guns drawn ready to shoot innocent people over a cloud on the title?
That is barbarity. If you were not watching as intently as I was watching when the barbarians tortured children for weeks on end in Waco before burning them alive, then you may not understand why so many people across this country started forming effective Militia Units. You may not see the significance of the foreign corporation employees backing down in this case. You may not see how the attack DOGS had more common sense than the foreign corporate employees who were ordering the well trained attack dogs to attack innocent people who were involved in a dispute, or cloud, on a title of land.
A Chinese based corporation hires goons to do whatever it takes to remove the cloud on the title of land that those people are interested in, and those people in that Chinese based corporation think they are protected under a false claim of limited liability (from Nature and/or God), and they care not that their employees are fond of torturing and burning alive innocent children, for fun and profit, and in this case someone, somewhere, some people defended our common Liberty, and the goons backed off, the goons had enough sense to back off, or the goons were given more orders to follow without question, so the goons backed off under moral orders instead of the goons going ahead and obeying criminal orders without question.
So I rant, rant, rant, with word based upon what I see as conflict resolution in time and place in our time in our places; because I've seen, witnessed, the methods used by the employees of the foreign corporations as they LOVE to burn babies alive for fun and profit and I do not stand for such things. So yes, I rant.
Update 05/04/2014
Update 05/07/2014 Note: I go off on what may seem like a rant, the bottom line here is that we can command our common defense with our common law so why invest so heavily in ONE BIG LIE when that truth is in our power to command?
http://www.dailypaul.com/318226/notice-constitutional-militias-are-withd...
From that link is this quote:
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There are now people at the ranch who are best described as militant. These people want to force an armed confrontation. Some are with Operation Mutual Aid and the Mountain Men Militia which are not as their actions have proven Constitutional Militias. Ryan Payne of Operation Mutual Aid has released a stream of videos making accusations of Militias and Oath Keepers being cowards because they fell back and scattered out when the possibility of a drone strike was obtained through intelligence channels. It appears that Mr. Payne’s intent is to discredit other groups so he can remain in control, and that he wants a war. The Militias want a solution. Many militia members have been to war, and will fight if that time comes, but are in absolutely no hurry to speed up the process and kill other Americans if it can be stopped without violence.
The common law rancher, who was born naturally with a name, a good name, was not going to wait for the cows to come home, he went out and saved those cows from the evil bandits before those criminals could slaughter and bury the evidence, covering up their heinous crimes.
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Note: Those who use the term Federal Government to be a synonym for Organized Crime as speaking double speak and most people fail to see the significance of that very destructive error.
Speaking of errors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZByJ5z0LaLs
1.
Failure to identify friend from foe has many possible costs paid for by those who fail.
a.
Friends of Liberty fail to connect to friends for their common defense.
b.
Friends of Liberty fail to identify those who destroy friends of Liberty and Liberty.
c.
Criminals (friends of falsehood, threats against innocent people, and violence upon innocent people for fun and profit of criminals at the expense of victims) fail to connect to friends of crime for their common profits taken from victims
d.
Criminals fail to identify those who effectively defend innocent people and Liberty
2.
A government by the people, of the people, and for the people once was called a democratic form of government and the best of the best democratic form of government has been accurately identified as a Federation of Constitutional Republics such as the examples provided by:
a. Holland (at the time of the American Declaration of Independence)
b. Switzerland (at the time of the American Declaration and possibly today)
c. The Federation under The Articles of Confederation consisting of 13 Constitutional Republics between 1776 and 1787
3.
The current Consolidated (Monopoly) Government in America is not even a government, it is not a Constitutional Republic, it is not a Federation, it became a crime in progress, or organized crime, or Fraud and Extortion under the color of law, or Central Banking Monopoly Power, or False Federal Government, or Nation State, or Corporation (Limited Liability), or Legal Fiction, or The Fiction, and that USURPATION occurred in 1787.
Three sources PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt the facts on the ground in 1787:
1.
http://deuceofclubs.com/books/274secret.htm
http://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog#page/n12/mode/2up
Secret Proceedings and Debates of the Constitutional Convention
Robert Yates, Luther Martin (1787; kept secret until 1838)
2.
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/docs/foundingdocs/Antifeder...
Federalist Papers (The real versions not the false versions)
3.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
The False Constitution of 1787 itself
Slavery was made legal (supposedly the law of our land)
Piracy was made legal (supposedly the law of our land)
Fraud was made legal (the constitutional convention was a proven fraud)
Extortion was made legal (the actual federalists warned specifically about this "tax" power)
Money Monopoly Power was made legal (This is the actual reason for the fraudulent "Constitutional Convention:)
a.
Slavery: Three fifths clause at the start and then the 16th amendment enslaving everyone equally, plus enforcement of so called "fugitive slave laws" (color of law if any existed ever in the dark history of our kind)
b.
Piracy: What do you think Letters of Marque and Reprisals are?
c.
Extortion:
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
Again, slaves became legally slaves in 1787 disproportionately, and the so called 16th Amendment made slaves of everyone
d.
Fraud:
"One party, whose object and wish it was to abolish and annihilate all State governments, and to bring forward one general government, over this extensive continent, of monarchical nature, under certain restrictions and limitations. Those who openly avowed this sentiment were, it is true, but few; yet it is equally true, Sir, that there were a considerable number, who did not openly avow it, who were by myself, and many others of the convention, considered as being in reality favorers of that sentiment; and, acting upon those principles, covertly endeavoring to carry into effect what they well knew openly and avowedly could not be accomplished. " That is a quote from those who attended the Usurpation and took notes (against dictatorial "gag" orders) during the fraudulent creation of a false government power.
e.
Money Monopoly Power:
"But Hamilton wanted to go farther than debt assumption. He believed a funded national debt would assist in establishing public credit. By funding national debt, Hamilton envisioned the Congress setting aside a portion of tax revenues to pay each year's interest without an annual appropriation. Redemption of the principal would be left to the government's discretion. At the time Hamilton gave his Report on Public Credit, the national debt was $80 million. Though such a large figure shocked many Republicans who saw debt as a menace to be avoided, Hamilton perceived debt's benefits. "In countries in which the national debt is properly funded, and the object of established confidence," explained Hamilton, "it assumes most of the purposes of money." Federal stock would be issued in exchange for state and national debt certificates, with interest on the stock running about 4.5 percent. To Republicans the debt proposals were heresy. The farmers and planters of the South, who were predominantly Republican, owed enormous sums to British creditors and thus had firsthand knowledge of the misery wrought by debt. Debt, as Hamilton himself noted, must be paid or credit is ruined. High levels of taxation, Republicans prognosticated, would be necessary just to pay the interest on the perpetual debt. Believing that this tax burden would fall on the yeoman farmers and eventually rise to European levels, Republicans opposed Hamilton's debt program.
"To help pay the interest on the debt, Hamilton convinced the Congress to pass an excise on whiskey. In Federalist N. 12, Hamilton noted that because "[t]he genius of the people will ill brook the inquisitive and peremptory spirit of excise law," such taxes would be little used by the national government. In power, the Secretary of the Treasury soon changed his mind and the tax on the production of whiskey rankled Americans living on the frontier. Cash was scarce in the West and the Frontiersmen used whiskey as an item of barter."
Source: http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-American-Revolution-Kentucky-Resolution...
4.
A working Federal Government works like this:
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Second, federalism permits the states to operate as laboratories of democracy-to experiment with various policies and Programs. For example, if Tennessee wanted to provide a state-run health system for its citizens, the other 49 states could observe the effects of this venture on Tennessee's economy, the quality of care provided, and the overall cost of health care. If the plan proved to be efficacious other states might choose to emulate it, or adopt a plan taking into account any problems surfacing in Tennessee. If the plan proved to be a disastrous intervention, the other 49 could decide to leave the provision of medical care to the private sector. With national plans and programs, the national officials simply roll the dice for all 284 million people of the United States and hope they get things right.
Experimentation in policymaking also encourages a healthy competition among units of government and allows the people to vote with their feet should they find a law of policy detrimental to their interests. Using again the state-run health system as an example, if a citizen of Tennessee was unhappy with Tennessee's meddling with the provisions of health care, the citizen could move to a neighboring state. Reallocation to a state like North Carolina, with a similar culture and climate, would not be a dramatic shift and would be a viable option. Moreover, if enough citizens exercised this option, Tennessee would be pressured to abandon its foray into socialized medicine, or else lose much of its tax base. To escape a national health system, a citizen would have to emigrate to a foreign country, an option far less appealing and less likely to be exercised than moving to a neighboring state. Without competition from other units of government,the national government would have much less incentive than Tennessee would to modify the objectionable policy. Clearly, the absence of experimentation and competition hampers the creation of effective programs and makes the modification of failed national programs less likely.
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A false federal government works like this:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
The solution was offered by the real Federalists with the Bill of Rights during the RAT-ification process.
The Constituiton itself is a fraud, but that does not discredit the utility of forming an actual Federal Government power, such as that example provided as The Articles of Confederation as those people in those 13 Constitutional Republics were able to defend against all enemies to Liberty foreign and domestic up until Shays's Rebellion and then the Usurpation of 1787.
So yes, a constitutional form of government is a voluntary government whereby the people are the government and the people create a government for their common defense against all enemies foreign and domestic, such as the constitutions in each Republic and such as The Articles of Confederation which formed that example of a Federal Government Power.
Those who did, do, and will claim that The Articles of Confederation were a failure could have, can now, or can in the future explain precisely what they think failure means.
Hamilton and the Central Banking Criminals took over our country in 1787, if you call that success, then you ought to confess that you too are a criminal.
Do you advocate the slavery before and after The Civil War?
Do you advocate legalized piracy under the color of law?
Do you advocate criminal fraud under the color of law?
Do you advocate criminal extortion under the color of law?
Do you advocate having everything than can be stolen from people in Liberty so as to then move all that stolen power into one FUND whereby the criminals use that stolen power to make slaves of us all including the slavery that is demonstrated during World Wars that are bought by your Masters so as to keep the Slaves enslaved?
If that is all the stuff you want, for your fun, and for your profits, then of course you will LOVE that specific fraudulent record of that crime that remains in POWER despite such things as The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation, each Constitution in each Republic, The Bill of Rights offered by the true founding fathers, our common law grand jury due process, and plain old moral conscience working to help us preserve our souls.
Good luck with that lie, how is to working for you so far?
Original post follows:
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A steward of all that is good, nurturing, providing, helping, earning good life on earth had his, and his loving families sustenance stolen from him.
And then a modern standoff at a modern OK Corral ended as the good guys dodged that bullet.
It was a close call.
It was broadcast live to the whole world.
It was another Ruby Ridge, another Waco, set into play by the criminals running that show.
This time the history is written by the winners of that battle too, but this time the criminals did not get away with their crimes.
This time history is written by the good guys.
The battle is not over.

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Here again is a video concerning the wrong answer to the wrong answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkSAewoESg
In that video there are concepts that offer extreme value and utility in our common law common defense.
1.
Misidentifying the criminals as criminals leads to the criminals getting away with their crimes PERPETUALLY.
2.
Accurate identification of the absolute necessity to accurately identify HOW TO accurately identify the criminals as criminals is a FUNDAMENTAL necessity. Know the facts, do NOT believe LIES. Failing to realize the effective process is an initial miss step, leading to PERPETUAL WAR among people who would otherwise be effectively defending the innocent from harm by those criminals who are never accurately identified as criminals.
3.
The criminals took over what was once a working Federation of Constitutional Republics, and those criminals did so in 1787, and those criminals have been behind all things done at the False Federal Level since 1787, so the use of the word Federal Government, for all practical purposes, in this country, is at best wishful thinking.
Example:
I will find the time, again, in that video, whereby MISS-IDENTIFICATION occurs as a potentially fatal mistake, whereby true patriots, who could be people working effectively at our common defense, who may be arresting criminals instead of MISS-IDENTIFYING criminals, whereby the accurately identified criminals are then offered common law due process, so as to DEFEND THOSE CRIMINALS along with DEFENDING EVERYONE, instead of accurately identifying the criminals, the MISS-IDENTIFYING of the criminals will lead to further error, further compounding confusion, further webs of deception, further misplaced defensive posturing, further misplaced command of defensive, deterrence, as defensive capability of meeting aggressive violence with defensive violence, all due to the same obvious, measurable, provable, reasonable beyond a reasonable doubt, for any 25 people picked out of any number of people in a jury pool (a pool constructed for that purpose according to our common law common defense due process), or any 12 people representing the whole country, in a court of record, according to our common law, according to our common law as confirmed in the Bill of Rights (NOT the so called Constitution), so as to avoid MISS-IDENTIFYING the criminals among us, who WILL perpetually perpetrate crimes upon us, if we fail again, and again, and again, and again, to actually identify the criminals as criminals, as those criminals are NOT members of a Federal Government agency.
This video was taken down, but it is now back up, so I am going to relink this video, and I am going to find the specific words spoken at the specific time when the most basic, the most fundamental, the most dangerous error is made in time and place, where boots are potentially on the ground shooting and killing each other over ONE BASIC SHARED LIE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkSAewoESg
Time 27:20
"Our big goal here is about the Federal Government..."
Anyone contemplating any volunteer work (with or without compensation to offset your day job income, or your capacity to make a living and stay alive at making an honest living, so you need compensation for your time as you take time-off of your normal productive schedule) in our common defense, which is our common law, which is ANYTHING that does work to actually defend the people from the criminals, including Militia duty, including Jury Duty, including anything, anywhere, anytime, where our common defense is effectively made real, WITHOUT violence, because or efforts DETER violence effectively, if anyone is interested in our common defense, and you think that video is of no importance to you, and you think that there are more productive things to do than to understand what is going on in that video, then we, you and I, are on two sides of a line YOU draw in the sand.
I do not want to step over into the line in the sand drawn by anyone who claims that our common defense can be based upon our common refusal to know the pertinent facts required to be known, and understood, concerning the absolute necessities required for our mutual defense.
I do not want to step over the line in the sand drawn by anyone who refuses to do anything productive by which ignorance can be defeated through careful, deliberate, inspection of the vital facts in any case whereby innocent people WILL be harmed by criminals unless enough people care enough to defend those people who WILL be harmed without such careful employment of time and energy (time and energy is power), careful deployment of defensive power, is in fact our path to our common defense, and it starts as people step over their line in the sand where they refuse to recognize their own ignorance, apathy, as their line they draw in their sand box.
In that line in that sand, inside that sand box, where that line goes around each one in that line, in that sand, are the people inside of their willful legal fictions.
I will not go inside that sand box.
At time 27:20 are confessions of someone trapped inside that sand box of legal fiction.
If that Oath Keeper, that defender of Liberty, can, will, set outside of that sand box of legal fiction, then those people he is calling The Federal Government become, in his eyes, and in his speech, and therefore in our eyes, and in our speech, criminals, nothing but criminals, and only exceptional criminals in the sense that their counterfeit Federal Uniforms are used by those criminals while they perpetrate the crimes they perpetrate.
Time 27:20
"Our big goal here is about the Federal Government..."
To drive this point home, if at all possible in one mind, just one more member of our jury pool, stepping firmly past the line that defines the LIE, the fiction, whereby one, please, one more member of the people, stepping outside (and never going back inside) that LIE, please, I will quote the context of the message offered by the Oath Keeper (honorable member of our common defense = misdirected by the lie):
“Keep focus, this is not about Oath Keepers, this is not about the minute men, this is not about the three percent-ers myself, Robert, this is about the Bundys, and so, everybody out there that’s been donating, continue to support the Bundys, continue to work on this, and what our big goal here is, is about, what the Federal Government…pushing themselves on American people, and…a lot of patriots out here, and all of us have to make sure we make this all work.”
What is the goal? The goal is deter. The goal is defend. The goal is to inspire the criminals to abandon their interests in perpetrating crimes upon the innocent because the effective defense, well communicated, will afford the criminals their own defense BEFORE they follow through with any crime upon any victim anywhere. The goal is to show how American people will defend American people from all enemies foreign and domestic, and that any enemy foreign or domestic who dreams of perpetrating crimes upon American people, will find their dreams to be unprofitable for them to dream, let alone perpetrate, in our country.
So...Joe...Mr. Know it All, safe in your home, writing so easily at your desk, big shot, where do you come off accusing these fine people of doing anything wrong?
The Federal Government is not a Federal Government, it is a Foreign Corporation traceable back through time and place to Money Monopoly Fraud and Extortion Criminals perpetrating the crimes of Fraud and Extortion, while hiding their crimes behind a very, very, very THIN veil of falsehood, and that veil is lifting, but in those words, obviously, the LIE continues to divide us, and we will be conquered by that lie, if we do not figure out how to defeat that LIE sooner, before it is much, much, much, too late.
The most obvious, recent, example of the type of situation occurring right now, not just at The Bundy Ranch, is the example that happened in Waco Texas in 1993.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hswcbvx2Z8c
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/death.html
You don't realize the CORE PROBLEM if you do not understand why the fundamental ERROR is expressed in the following words:
Time 27:20
"Our big goal here is about the Federal Government..."
The so called Federal Government is a false front, a collection of gate keepers hired to BAR the gate, with a lie, a line in the sand, a line in the sand around the sand box of Legal Fiction, whereby those who run the show will brutally murder anyone inside their sand box, who dares to blow the whistle as Sonny Bono was doing in that so called "hearing" in that so called "congress," in that time, in that place in our country.
Our common defense cannot be founded upon a LIE, if anyone claims that our common defense can be founded upon a LIE, knowingly, or unknowingly, inside their ignorance, or outside of their ignorance, it matters not, the fact is that no defense other than defense of the LIE is possible when the foundation is a LIE.
The LIE works so well, in fact, that the true, accurate, fully accountable, measure of how well a Federal government power works at effectively defending the people is LOST behind that LIE at the same time that that LIE defends the very well paid LIARS.
That is the lesson offered.
Keep calling the liars anything other than liars, and YOU give them false credit, YOU give their lies power, YOU work out of ignorance in defense of the LIE, and in defense of the LIARS, if YOU fail to realize those two very important facts enumerated below:
1.
A Federal government existed between 1776 and 1787 for our common defense in this country, and it was proven to be effective enough to work for people who drove off the largest army of criminal invaders, and solve an internal battle occurring in Massachusetts whereby criminals who took over the Constitutional Republic of Massachusetts worked to enforce their crimes under the color law, and their victims ran like runaway slaved from that criminal State of Massachusetts, inside a Voluntary Federation, and they ran into the working Constitutional Republic of Vermont which is was also inside the same Federal Government Agency. There were no False Federal Slave Trade Enforcers hired to enforce Fugitive Slave "Laws" when our Federation was a true Federal Government.
2.
When the criminals took over in 1787, not only did they remove our common defense with our Federal Government Power, they then set about enslaving everyone while they hid behind a false Federal Government; which then prevented anyone from working toward regaining effective control of our Federal Government.
Additional fact:
3.
The Criminals destroyed our common law defense through our common law grand jury due process, and that is an irrefutable fact, as the destruction of our common law grand jury due process was destroyed by the lie that our government existed at a Federal Level, and no such thing was true after 1787.
What is the utility, the value, of knowing any of those reports of our common history in our country offered above?
It is not too late to return to our common law grand jury defense of our Liberty in our Constitutional Republics as part of our Federal Government Power of Defense.
Why?
The reason why it is not too late has to do with our true founders managing to document our Bill of Rights.
We the moral people, not we the criminals, but we the peaceful people, not we the violent aggressors, we the people share the founding principles found in our Bill of Rights, and that is an example of why it is not too late to realize, to make, to enforce, to judge, to try, anyone claiming that a LIE is good enough for our government work. From the moment you step outside of your line in the sand whereby you are captured into that Legal Fiction that was created in 1787, from that moment on, you are free of that LIE, and then we the people have your additional clearing of your conscience to help us in our common defense.
After 1787 there was a battle of words, and after 1787 the battle of words ended up with our Bill of Rights as our law of our land.
If you want to keep repeating words claiming claims of value and utility associated with the LIE that was formed in 1787, YOUR supposed Constitution, then know what you are claiming, please.
You are claiming that slavery is legal in YOUR country, for that LIE was hatched in YOUR Constitution. NOT YOUR BILL OF RIGHTS.
You can't seriously serve both Slave Master and our Bill of Rights, so to claim to do so, to serve two masters, is a false claim if you do not know any better, and a willful LIE if you know it is a LIE.
In that so called Constitution was also the claim made by the criminals that Piracy is legal.
There are other false claims of false authority done willfully by the liars in that so called Constitution, but that is not the point.
The point is that our Bill of Rights, and our common law grand jury due process, was offered to us by our true founders, and we can command our effective defense despite the LIES infecting the so called Constitution; whereby our Federal Government was handed over to enemies foreign and domestic; and that was done, as a matter of record, in 1787. A true common law court of record can record that fact in one of our first cases.
Any good man. Any good woman. Any member of the people, any one, can find the good in any Constitution, and anyone can find the good in our Bill of Rights at a true Federal level, or at a true Constitutional Republic level, or at a County level, or at a City level, or at the level of one case, in one common law grand jury court of record, in time and place, and that is the point at which our FOCUS can focus down into laser like POWER, to defend one, or many, victims, from one, or many criminals, even when common law due process is being used to defend one criminal from another criminal.
How can that last sentence be hammered home in words?
Our common defense is based upon our shared principles, and those principles are based upon the facts of our existence within Nature, or for those who are religious, our principles are based upon the facts of our existence within the Nature that is created, and afforded to us, by God, the common creator common to everything that is created.
Our common defense is based upon the principle that everyone who is not afforded as much defense as anyone else WILL be injured by some damn criminal because the criminal is afforded the opportunity to destroy someone BECAUSE too few of us care to step outside of that BOX OF LIES that BAR our common understanding of our common principles such as our common law due process that is afforded to everyone INCLUDING the criminals.
Our common defense includes the defense of criminals injured by criminals, despite the insistence demanded by criminals to be criminals in fact.
Our common defense works when we the people insist upon recording into our courts of records the discovery of precisely who are the criminals because we the people will not allow the criminals to perpetrate crimes upon people. We the people will not allow the criminals to perpetrate crimes upon other criminals.
So, in that, is offered enough information to afford someone locked up in the sand box of lies, locked up in the Legal Fiction of a False Federal Government POWER commanded by enemies of our Liberty, anywhere, from any foreign land, from any foreign cabal of liars, and that information ought to be sufficient for readers to realize that any Constitution, at a Federal Level, or at a State Level, is only as good as the people employing it, and one Constitution or another one won't save, or harm, anyone, unless people understand precisely what people will do under the color of false authority, or under the sound direction of true authority as they see it in time and place.
No number of people assembled in any numbers from 2 up to 8 Billion, sharing a common belief in a LIE, such as the LIE of making Slavery Legal, or making Piracy Legal, will ever be anything other than an Angry Mob, no matter how many of those people say otherwise.
No number of people assembled in any numbers from 2 up to 8 Billion, sharing a common belief in the absolute need for Truth in Governing, such as those common law grand jury procedures AIMING to proceed according to discoverable facts, can injure anyone based upon a LIE, if they merely follow the procedures honorably, justly, and mercifully.
If you discover, as so many have including me, that the Criminals took over in 1787, and that they are still occupying our government at our Federal level, they are still pretending to be our government at our Federal level, then you will no longer be driven by that LIE, and you will no longer be inspired to injure innocent people by that LIE, because you will then know better about that LIE.
Those criminals themselves, at the False Federal level, may not even know that they are criminals, so it may be a good idea to begin informing them in no uncertain terms, that we the people will no longer tolerate the LIE.
We will no longer add credibility to the LIE.
Until such time as someone, anyone, working as an employee at the False Federal Level, confesses that their employers are enemies of our Liberty, there can be no return back to our Federal government; contained behind our Bill of Rights.
If they say, as they did in their Constitution, that they are Federal Agents here to enforce slavery, to return the slaves back to their masters, then we, we the good people, we the moral people, say to those criminals that they are not our Federal Agents, no, by their actions they are criminals perpetrating crimes behind a False Federal Agency.
We the people assemble as 4 people in each county, and we take each False Federal Agent through our due process, and we do so in defense of that criminal, so as to afford that criminal the opportunity to know better, to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that that criminal is NOT a Federal Agent of our government at our Federal level.
We the 4 (plus a secretary makes 5) are then commanded by our principles, by our need for accurate accounting, by our common need for our common defense that avoids LIES, we then assemble by LOT the number of 25 people to create, according to our common law procedures, the procedures handed down to us by our ancestors, not the procedures dictated to us by criminals, our true procedures based upon our true principles, not the false procedures based upon LIES, and those 25 people are then moving much closer to intimate contact between defenders of Liberty and criminal aggressors who may violently destroy life on earth, so those 25 people ought to be intimately familiar with our common law principles without ERROR of any kind, because lives are at stake, our lives are at stake at that point when someone will not listen to reason, and then those 25 can offer, again, reasonable remedy for the accused who may be accused of perpetrating crimes under a False Federal claim of Authority.
Example:
http://commonamericanjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BLM-Claims-B...
If the 4 people volunteering (with or without just compensation for their valuable time and energy = their power to survive well in Liberty) cannot reason with the man commanding the attack dog, then 25 people are assembled by LOT (sortition).
You ought to know the history of "sortition" by the way.
If the man proves to be more beastly than the dog, in that case, and the man refuses to listen to reason, to reason out how the man is misled by LIES, then the 25 are assembled to offer the man a more reasonable defense against further harm done to the man, due to those LIES.
If the 25 cannot reason with the man, affording the man a reasonable defense against further injury resulting from false belief in the LIE, then 12 are assembled with more POWER, and now the rubber meets the road, and now those 12 command all the POWER anyone commands in our country to deal with beasts among us, beasts who WILL not listen to reason, beasts who WILL command dogs to attack innocent people, beasts who WILL NOT cease and desist, beasts who WILL burn children alive in churches if ordered to do so, by False Federal Agents, or by any criminal order ordered by any criminal anywhere, because we all know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that burning innocent children alive in churches is a crime.
Deterrence of crime is not possible when the criminals take over the apparatus that is put in place to deter crime.
If that is not understood, at that Federal Level, then how can anyone expect to understand how things went so wrong at the Constitutional Republic level, or the county level, or the city level, or the church level, or the family level, or the individual level?

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7-1-2014 Announcement
Pre-conference still open, one active jurist present and accounted for: Joe Kelley.
At this time it is my considered opinion that my time and energy (power) consumed in this National Liberty Alliance is currently threatening my sanity. Knowing what I know and then finding a solid wall of impenetrable falsehood in place between my own, individual, perspective and most other people, including John Darash, tests my resolve to do the right thing.
What is the right thing?
Effective defense of the innocent is the foundation I stand on as the right thing to do with no other competitive offer from anyone, as yet, convincing me of a better foundation.
Effective defense of the innocent can also be offered with fewer words, or one word, such as Liberty. Accurate accounting works well enough to offer the same foundation as effective defense of the innocent and Liberty.
I know that much, reasonably, because my time and energy (power) has been working on finding the best foundation and so far that is where my work reaching for that goal discovers that foundation, precisely that foundation, no other foundation, so far, can reasonably be understood by me as a better foundation for doing the right thing.
I missed the Monday Night Conference Call by John Darash and those at NLA Central Command. Now I have the time to listen to it and comment on the words offered.
Here is the link to the call record:
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/mondayrecording/14-06-30.mp3
I stopped at time 11:09 so as to offer competitive points of view that stand as my Public Notice of my disagreements concerning the points of view offered by John Darash.
First thing that must be understood if anyone cares enough to know a competitive viewpoint such as the one I am offering from my single viewpoint, and the first thing is that the contradiction exists within the information offered by John Darash, as far as I can tell, and so I keep my mind open, as I welcome anyone, anywhere, who will step up to the plate and let me know if the contradiction offered by John Darash is not my own misunderstanding.
1. God says rule by man, or earthly kings, are bad, not the right thing, on, and on, with a list of things kings do, and that list sounds exactly like the things done by criminals who run organized crime monopolies.
2. The so called Constitution of 1787 (hatched in Secret Proceedings in Philadelphia) is ours.
Those are not John Darash's exact words. Anyone can listen, to the link, listen to the exact words offered by John Darash, and stop at time 11:09, and then please tell me where those words are not a contradiction.
1. NO EARTHLY KINGS
2. The Constitution of 1787
The contradiction exists as far as I can see, because I did my homework, and the information that is available is uncontroversial, mere fact, as those at the time the criminals took over explained precisely what the criminals were doing, while the criminals were creating a Monarchy here in America.
The criminals knew they could not call the King a King, so they called the King a President instead of a King. That is fraud. That is prima-facie evidence proving the fact, and it is written in their ink, and signed by their hands.
John Darash challenged me to show him precisely wherein his Constitution (not mine) there is evidence of what I claim. I did so, in writing, and then John Darash claims that he does not have time to read my writing.
That is willful ignorance, and it is fine, fine so long as the contradiction does not manifest itself in the willful destruction of the innocent.
If your constitution, whoever owns it, uses it, as a rationale, an excuse, excuses further extortion and fraud, then it does, and so you fall in line with all the other earthly Kings who use it for those purposes.
So long as you, and anyone else like you, anyone else claiming that you have this Constitution that is yours (not mine), do not willfully use it to destroy innocent people, then there is no harm done by you while you excuse harm done by you with your Constitution.
I happen to know the facts of it, meaning I happen to know the facts of your Constitution, even if you don't, so that is what it is, a viewpoint offered, and the contradiction is not mine, not unless someone else can explain to me where, precisely, there is a contradiction that is mine.
1. No Earthly Kings
2. A Constitution written by, signed by, criminals who divided up their prizes as they stole our defensive government and turned it into organized crime Nation-Wide and Country-Wide.
You can ignore the facts at your own cost, as I know better than to consent to anyone excusing their crimes based upon that criminal document.
The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, on the other hand, are well done explanations of how people can agree to defend themselves from earthly Kings, or criminals, since earthly criminals, and Kings, are one and the same thing.
Moving on from that restatement of that working contradiction that is not mine, since I know better, moving from that working contradiction to the concept of courts in this land.
A link:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
A quote:
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Section. 2.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-- between a State and Citizens of another State,--between Citizens of different States,--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
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Contradiction number 2:
All means all.
Those words offer Kings absolute POWER over what is the meaning of is.
Those words inspired these words:
A Link:
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/docs/foundingdocs/Antifeder...
A quote:
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Antifederalist No. 15
RHODE ISLAND IS RIGHT!
This essay appeared in The Massachusetts Gazette, December 7, 1787, as reprinted From The Freeman's Journal; (Or, The North-America Intelligencer?)
The abuse which has been thrown upon the state of Rhode Island seems to be greatly unmerited. Popular favor is variable, and those who are now despised and insulted may soon change situations with the present idols of the people. Rhode Island has out done even Pennsylvania in the glorious work of freeing the Negroes in this country, without which the patriotism of some states appears ridiculous. The General Assembly of the state of Rhode Island has prevented the further importation of Negroes, and have made a law by which all blacks born in that state after March, 1784, are absolutely and at once free.
They have fully complied with the recommendations of Congress in regard to the late treaty of peace with Great Britain, and have passed an act declaring it to be the law of the land. They have never refused their quota of taxes demanded by Congress, excepting the five per cent impost, which they considered as a dangerous tax, and for which at present there is perhaps no great necessity, as the western territory, of which a part has very lately been sold at a considerable price, may soon produce an immense revenue; and, in the interim, Congress may raise in the old manner the taxes which shall be found necessary for the support of the government.
The state of Rhode Island refused to send delegates to the Federal Convention, and the event has manifested that their refusal was a happy one as the new constitution, which the Convention has proposed to us, is an elective monarchy, which is proverbially the worst government. This new government would have been supported at a vast expense, by which our taxes-the right of which is solely vested in Congress, (a circumstance which manifests that the various states of the union will be merely corporations) -- would be doubled or trebled. The liberty of the press is not stipulated for, and therefore may be invaded at pleasure. The supreme continental court is to have, almost in every case, "appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact," which signifies, if there is any meaning in words, the setting aside the trial by jury.
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Where people, as people, acknowledge that there are no Kings, as in rule by man, there may yet be criminals. People defending themselves effectively against criminals are people who refuse to participate in criminal proceedings, or so called Admiralty, Equity, Chancellery, so called courts, because those courts are run by Kings. What do you think is the power behind Admiralty Law is in demonstrable fact?
So the people stood a chance before 1787 in preserving courts run by people, for people, as a common method of maintaining an effective defense against criminals even while the criminals were infecting our land with their Summary Justice (crime) in their Admiralty and Equity Courts (organized crime), but after 1787 the criminals supposedly created a Supreme Court of MEN ruling everyone and ruling all.
Those who closed the door, issued gag orders, and commenced to criminally take over America in Philadelphia in 1787 singed a document as witnesses to that crime, and they called that document a Constitution.
Those who smelled a rat documented many examples of precisely what the criminals were doing while the criminals where criminally taking over America, in no uncertain terms, as demonstrated by the fact that Slavery was no longer a crime "made legal," and demonstrated by the fact that people were doing well enough with trial by jury BEFORE the take over when criminals made their Kangaroo Courts legal for them to impose upon their victims while they, the criminals, continue slave trading, fraud, extortion, and this so called Summary Justice stuff with these supposed Equity and Admiralty Courts.
So the contradiction here is that somehow we the people must regain control of our effective common defense against all criminals foreign and domestic and in order to do so we pay lip service to the criminals running the false federal government whereby those criminals run false courts such as Equity and Admiralty courts?
Right their in their criminal document the criminals gave themselves permission to infect their victims with their Equity and Admiralty crimes; and I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut about it?
I'm supposed to drink the cool-aid and swallow the lies whole?
Good enough for government work?
That is plenty enough writing (my time and energy making me insane by the minute) by me as due diligence, doing the right thing, exposing the contradictions, and hoping, beyond hope, that someone, somewhere, might also see the contradiction, and then someone, someone somewhere, might help expose the contradiction, so that the contradiction, the lie, the falsehood, no longer captures and renders powerless so many innocent people for so long, on, and on, in the foreseeable future while so many people remain willfully ignorant of the facts that are in no way hidden at all.
I tried to listen further and keep silent, but there is no way I can see to do so, not without a complete separation from National Liberty Alliance, anyone connected to it, and myself. I do not willfully ignore the demonstrable contradictions.
Stopping at time: 11:45
Contradiction 3
I keep hearing John Darash claim that some people are his servants.
1. No Earthly Kings
2. Some people are John Darash's servants.
To me that is a very obvious contradiction. If someone is offering productive work in the form of a paid member of a government (defense), then all business done by him, or her, with anyone else, anywhere, is done as one with another one, not one master, not one slave or "servant," so the contradiction is in my view repugnant to the first Law vis:
1. No Earthly Kings
2. Some people are John Darash's servants.
Contradiction 4
1. No Earthly Kings
2. John Darash quotes John Adams
John Adams was the so called President (earthly King) presiding during HIS Alien and Sedition Acts. John Adams was one of the frauds, the pack if liars, known as The Federalists. So the contradiction here does not at all concern whatever message may have been offered in the quote, rather, again, the DEEDS, not the words, are repugnant to the first Law.
Time 12:27
Now John Darash is quoting from the words of another Federalist liar named George Washington. George Washington was the Earthly King who dictated a Proclamation while this criminal took his turn as King. Deeds, not words, measure up as repugnant as anyone can ever get, to the first Law. What do you think a Proclamation is in fact?
The God worshiped by Washington may have been a different God that the one spoken of by John Darash; explaining the contradiction. Does anyone still issue Proclamations?
Time: 14:12
I stopped to offer information concerning what I have learned about this time period of American formation into a criminal organization after 1787, and what was going on before 1787 when people defended themselves effectively against criminals foreign and domestic. In reading the Constitutions of the first Republics that formed the true Federation (before the Federation was turned into organized crime in 1787) it becomes obvious that there was religious battles happening between what may have been Roman Catholic, or Jesuit, controlled religious people, including some very evil people, including what may have actually been devil worshipers at the top of that pyramid structure, top down dictatorial religious fake faith, whatever, and on the other side of that battle may have been Protestant and other religious people attempting to defend themselves from the devil worshiping types.
What was obvious was the idea of avoiding an institutionalized, criminal based, religious ORDER controlling the people who are hired to run the defensive government; hence the idea of separation of church (devil worshipers) and state (organized crime). It is all a bunch of lies; as the criminals fight each other over the monopoly power. The experiment in America that happened between 1776 and 1787 was none of the above, no religious dictatorship, no supposed state dictatorship, no dictatorship at all, or:
1. No Earthly Kings
That was the experiment between 1776 and 1787 including where people were able as many trials by juries as possible according to laws known BEFORE Magna Carta.
Many people don't know, obviously, that Magna Carta was not a document of the people, by the people, or for the people, it was the beginning of the take over of England from the people based upon fraud. In other words the criminals were managing their crimes out in the open under King John, just plain old open warfare, in your face, basic, criminal activity, run by a so called King upon whoever was targeted at the time. The Power of the King was only as far as it was, and it was not far enough to overpower trial by jury of the people, by the people, for the people. That information is found in the study done by Lysander Spooner here:
A link:
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/trial-jury
When the criminals took over after Magna Carta, the deal was struck between the Roman Catholic (Jesuit) Devil Worshipers, slave traders, addictive drug pushers, torturers, murderers, and mass murderers, to sell everyone in England, and the world, to claim ownership of ALL and then do as is pleased with ALL. As far as the courts run by the people, for the people, and of the people go, there was then a covert war upon them by the Jesuits, through the Monarchy (and Central Bank Monopoly), to bribe jurists to weaker trial by jury, and then to actually counterfeit the common law of the people, to brand it, to register it, to trade market it, into a criminal version of common law. The covert war recaptured the people after the Barons had defeated the overt war visited up the people of England.
The law of the land, the trial by jury due process, was operating before Magna Carta, and that ought to be understood, because English Language was not in use at the time of trial by jury due process, so the wordings in English, such as Common Law, have to be understood in the context of that later covert war upon the people, when trial by jury was evolving into Admiralty, Equity, and Chancellery, so called, courts. The English Monarchy (run out of the Roman Catholic Jesuit Order) created and maintained a false court system that they called Common Law. The criminals had, and have, a false version of Common Law, so it is easy for ignorant people, even easier for willfully ignorant people, to confuse a true common law trial by jury with the counterfeit version vis:
1. No Earthly Kings = due process due everyone without exception
2. George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams and their counterfeit versions of everything good as they take turns running the new Monarchy they fraudulently established in 1787.
Time: 15:48
I heard "...without hypocrisy..."
Contradiction may be resolved as a case of hypocrisy; so the evidence exists, and the evidence is offered, and were 12 people to be assembled for the purpose of seeking wisdom as to any judgment, at all, concerning who is innocent of hypocrisy or who is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, according to ancient wisdom, then those 12 randomly selected jurists can either agree unanimously or not and as far as I can tell the facts are what they are even if no one knows the facts. There is hope in finding agreement so as to avoid hypocrisy, sure, I get that, so..., why claim that the constitution was anything other than a criminal take over of the same people who invented Admiralty and Equity courts?
Time: 16:10
We need to save our nation? I can look past that contradiction for only so long, and then after a long period of time whereby no one offers remedy of that contradiction, then there is no longer a contradiction in my view. If the so called nation is built by frauds for their exclusive use as they divide up and conquer all the people in the so called nation, then saving it is aiding, and abetting, lending moral and material support to Earthly Kings, in point of fact. If on the other hand we the people are saving the innocent from the criminals as we retain our power of effective defense with our insistence of discovering the accurate accounts of the facts in our due process that is due everyone, affordable to everyone, without exception, then the people on that path ARE the nation.
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I hear "...pretty easy to fall into that trap...," and my comment is the same comment, in other words. Obviously, measurably, those who pay into, invest into, obey, give credit to, the constitution are in that trap. That trap was sprung and the criminals went to work with vengeance from that point on.
An involuntary association is a way of labeling a crime in progress, so making claims of saving the nation are fine so long as the people are realizing their need to get back to voluntary association such as due process of law, such as trial by jury according to ancient wisdom, whereby no one in punished without due process, so that means that due process is afforded to everyone without exception; no friends letting friends enforcing involuntary associations, since any victim of involuntary association is afforded the same due process each time. That works because it then takes 12 people agreeing to perpetrate a crime upon someone, to create this involuntary association stuff, and the ancient wisdom of offering randomly picked people eliminates the problem of 12 people assembling as fellow criminals forming their own deals where they divide up the victims among them, as they did in 1787.
So, even though criminal will get together in secret meetings and hatch crimes, the people who defend people still write down such wise things as the 5th and 7th Amendments to the so called Constitution, and in those words are those wise processes utilizing the power of randomly selecting jurists before anyone is injured by anyone in any legal, or lawful, or just, or merciful, way.
Rather than saving the nation (involuntary association perpetrated by criminals upon victims) the idea can be to save the people who then are the nation of people who save each other from the criminals who perpetrate such crimes as that so called Constitution of 1787.
End of controversy, end of duplicity, end of hypocrisy, ended when no one is punished for anything unless afforded the due process due everyone without exception.
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Voting from California to indict someone in New York goes against all the principles I know including justice, honor, and mercy.
What must happen anywhere, anytime, is for the innocent victim, or victims, and the accused and presumed to be innocent criminal, or criminals try the case, in time, and place, which requires agreement with the accused; therefore the accused has to agree to the presentment.
If there is no agreement then there is no presentment; so what is being voted on?
I can say yes, or no, to a case where someone refuses to agree to the presentment and I am asked if that refusal constitutes a cause of action.
Such as someone deciding to burn babies alive in a church constitutes a cause of defensive action. Meaning good people are inspired to action when a criminal, or a number of criminals, are burning babies alive in a church.
So...suppose those who were documented as those people burning babies alive in the church are then offered a presentment. Here, it says, you guys really need to attend this event where you are presumed to be innocent until 12 randomly picked jurors assemble to find out if there is a cause of action in defense of babies in churches based upon the information assembled whereby you, and you, were documented as those people burning those babies in that church. Those babies are dead now, but it may be a good idea, so says me, that you ought to agree to help us find out precisely who burned those babies so that we can know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the people burning babies alive are accurately accounted as the people who burned those babies alive.
Time 32:56
I hear "...they did violence to the constitution..."
What happened to no victim to crime, and the government cannot be the victim?
That is another contradiction.
Time: 50:44
Executive Orders are UN-constitional? The first Monarch American Style wrote a Proclamation.
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/whiskey/text.html
So who has the power to say what the King can or cannot do legally?
Time: 52:25
The nation speaks by voting to indict? That is not the same thing as trial by the country because trial by the country is accomplished through the process of selecting jurists (voters) by lot. If the idea is to utilize a voting system used to vote something and the assembled voters are volunteers volunteering to vote then that is only that, and that is not trial by the country; again the missing element is random selection of voters from the whole, which is the method by which rule by man is avoided and instead of rule by man the rule, the vote, is the whole country voting according to a representative sample, which is random selection, and anything other than random selection of the whole, whereby the choices as to who votes, and the choices as to who does not vote, are choices made by chance, because God does not issue orders to vote, or not vote, in time and place, so who does? Who claims to have the authority to say that this group, or that group, vote, or don't vote, and then their votes constitute a cause for action?
Time: 55:50
I think that John Darash is now calling me a liar. Lie from hell?
All anyone has to do to know the facts is to read the actual Proclamation, which is a product of dictators and tyrants, a Proclamation by the tyrant, a Proclamation by the dictator Washington exists on the public record for all to see.
If those among us fall for dictatorship then they do, and if someone claims I am a liar then they first have to prove that I intend to deceive. How can someone prove that my intention is to deceive? If I am merely deceived myself, then that must also be proven, and in that case I am not a liar, I am merely infected by the lie.
So two more people on the list of liars, now three on the list of liars according to my accuser John Darash are:
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard171.html
Murray Rothbard
And
http://www.freedomforallseasons.org/ConstitutionalRelatedReports/Constit...
DR. EDUARDO M. RIVERA
A Dictator Dictating Proclamations existed, there was the first one, the first ever Proclamation, then another one, then another one, whereby the Dictator Dictating the Proclamation may change, but the fact that the Proclamations are Dictates does not change. The facts remain to be the facts even when the messengers offering the facts are demonized with false claims of lying.
This is not impertinent arguing over frivolous details of meaningless drivel. The method of divide and conquer includes controlled opposition. Knowing, by accurate accounting, in some manner, some due process, is one competitive method by which the liars can be known, and those who are merely infected lies can be known, and those who happen upon demonstrable facts can be know, or, on the other hand "knowing" by executive fiat, by merely claiming truth to be truth, can be another way of "knowing."
Over, and over, and over again, during Conference calls, on forums, in e-mails, I have offered due process, deliberate exchange of information seeking to know rather than to merely guess, these specific facts that are vital concerning our side, and the criminal side, where the Kings reestablish dominion over their victims.
Now I am being called a liar. What pains me most, in this, is that I have been very vocal, very up front, doing the honorable thing, offering over, and over, and over, again, and again, Public Notice, and now the accusation of lying, aimed at me, is ambiguous? Someone, somewhere, is lying? Some unnamed mysterious nobody is lying about good old George Washington?
Time: 57:21
Now those who lie about Washington (the Proclamation dude) are Marxists? One and the same? You lie about Washington (actually offering the facts as the facts exist) and you are then a Marxist by default; because John Darash decrees it?
Edict?
Then, added to that, someone, somewhere, is claiming that something is going to destroy the dollar and that is a good thing, and these people are brilliant criminals?
What is happening is the fraud money racket is reached the end of its rope:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
That scratches the surface of accurately accounting for precisely how much surplus wealth was stolen from any producer anywhere, and how much the thieves now own according to them. The official record is now past a certain point of no return as anyone with half a brain can see since there is absolutely no way that those who are claimed to owe as much as those who claim to be owed can pay up. There is absolutely no way at this point that the so called National Debt can be paid off without more fraud added, such as default, or hyperinflation, or trade wars, or currency wars, or shooting wars escalated in the effort to monopolize a New World Reserve Currency.
Meanwhile people are inventing and utilizing local currencies BECAUSE fraud money is fraud money.
The Frauds took over in 1787.
Hamilton was mentored by Robert Morris and they created the means by which all the constitutional republics could be monopolized into one National Debt Fraud.
That is so well documented as fact, by those who were there when it happened, there is no need for anyone to claim to anyone else otherwise. What would be the need for refuting the existing evidence then, or now, as then it was National Debt, National Interest, and the criminals at the top, and now it is the same thing. Why would anyone claim otherwise?
Save the Nation so as to save the National Debt, and save the National Interest, so as to allow the next King of the National Debt to conscript another Army as was done by good old George Washington, to Proclaim the necessity of suppressing a tax revolt concerning a supposed National Debt, payable in the Gold that left the country because of the fraudulent money ordered into being by the same criminals now demanding payments in Gold for the unforgivable crime of creating local money, such as whiskey, as a necessity in the absence of any accurate money that accurately accounts for who produces what, and who is worthy of which credit, and therefore trade is possible?
Trust in Kings hidden behind false titles such as President, trust that they will enslave us all at the point of a bayonet?
And those who dare to tell the truth are called liars?
Now I am listening to lectures on preparedness in times of trouble and the speaker who just called me a liar, a Marxist, evil, I am evil, this guy says store months of food? The Whiskey Rebellion and the Rebellion before that which was Shays's Rebellion and the Rebellion before that which was The Revolutionary War, all had somethings in common.
1. The people learn to trust each other and they store their wealth in accurate money, and that increases production, increases the quality of life, and decreases the cost of life, because so much less surplus wealth is locked up and unused. The money can be gold, and silver, and accurate written accounts, or paper money, backed by gold, and silver, and real estate, and any form of stored wealth.
2. The criminals running the criminal money monopoly power of the day targets those people and the criminals work diligently to remove all the trust, all the accurate money, from those targeted victims.
3. The people grow wise to the game and they localize their trust, their accurate accounting, and their defensive power.
4. The criminals demand payments, without question, from those local defense associations.
5. The criminals who took over government call the local defenders terrorists, insurgents, levelers, rebels, anti-government infiltrators, traitors, and criminals.
6. The victims try everything possible to avoid violence.
7. The criminals who took over government start locking up individual defenders starting with the weaker ones.
8. The victims realize that nothing but violence will stop the criminals who took over government.
9. One side wins.
10. The winners and losers write history when the good guys win.
11. When the bad guys win only they are allowed to write history.
Why was a gag order placed on those who attended the Con Con of 1787?
Link:
http://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog#page/n14/mode/2up
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The members of the convention from the States, came there under different powers; the greatest number, I believe, under powers nearly the same as those of the delegates of this State. Some came to the convention under the former appointment, authorizing the meeting of delegates merely to regulate trade. Those of the Delaware were expressly instructed to agree to no system, which should take away from the States that equality of suffrage secured by the original articles of confederation. Before I arrived, a number of rules had been adopted to regulate the proceedings of the convention, by one of which was to affect the whole Union. By another, the doors were to be shut, and the whole proceedings were to be kept secret; and so far did this rule extend, that we were thereby prevented from corresponding with gentlemen in the different States upon the subjects under our discussion; a circumstance, Sir, which, I confess, I greatly regretted. I had no idea, that all the wisdom, integrity, and virtue of this State, or of the others, were centered in the convention. I wished to have corresponded freely and confidentially with eminent political characters in my own and other States; not implicitly to be dictated to by them, but to give their sentiments due weight and consideration. So extremely solicitous were they, that their proceedings should not transpire, that the members were prohibited even from taking copies of resolutions, on which the convention were deliberating, or extracts of any kind from the journals, without formally moving for, and obtaining permission, by vote of the convention for that purpose.
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Another liar?
Time 1:00
Just before Jason from New Jersey signed off there was an obvious move to inform the Military of current realities concerning the take over of defensive government and John Darash began to explain the contradiction in his own words.
Why is the Federal Government not the people?
Why is the Military not the people?
Because the former Republics joined voluntarily in a Federation became a Military Dictatorship in 1787, as proven by the Proclamation of 1794, and the assembly of a false Federal army of slaves (conscripts) taken from any place that men can be enslaved and then this Military Force invades a formerly sovereign Republic (Pennsylvania) to collect a tax on whiskey payable in the gold that left the country because the frauds drove gold and silver out of the country through Gresham's Law.
Now, to anyone, everyone, this is Public Notice, the divide and conquer method works to cause brother to fight brother in fact; so it is not me claiming to be judge, jury, an executioner of John Darash, claiming that he is lying here, all I'm saying is that the facts speak for themselves as to precisely when the criminals took over, and precisely when the people were no longer afforded due process because the criminals took out the voluntary Federal government, where people consent, and the criminals put in place a counterfeit version where a dictator can enslave a whole army of aggressors so as to make sure that the people never gain any power on their own, with their own local money.
The criminals have to create a demand for their counterfeit money and to do that the criminals demand tax payments payable in their money of choice. There has to be a National Tax, or there is no demand for National Debt. That is why the true Founders objected to direct taxation of the people.
Link:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/george-mason-speech/
Quote:
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George Mason Speech Virginia Ratifying Convention
June 04, 1788
Mr. Chairman—Whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers, that it is a National Government, and no longer a confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the General Government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes, does of itself, entirely change the confederation of the States into one consolidated Government. This power being at discretion, unconfined, and without any kind of controul, must carry every thing before it. The very idea of converting what was formerly confederation, to a consolidated Government, is totally subversive of every principle which has hitherto governed us. This power is calculated to annihilate totally the State Governments. Will the people of this great community submit to be individually taxed by two different and distinct powers? Will they suffer themselves to be doubly harrassed? These two concurrent powers cannot exist long together; the one will destroy the other: The General Government being paramount to, and in every respect more powerful than, the State governments, the latter must give way to the former.
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George Washington was the Strong Man used by the English Central Bankers, through Hamilton, to ensure a National Debt, to remove competition in money markets, so as to create that dependence upon the criminals for everything. It is not that difficult to understand. It is not brilliant. It is merely criminal. While the Strong Man is collecting up any remaining Gold, and crushing the spirit of Liberty in Pennsylvania, the Central Banker is working feverishly to open up the first version of the American Fraud Money Monopoly or The First Bank of The United States. What do you think the FED is? Where do you think the Marxists copied their manifesto?
I am a liar? I am a Marxist? How so? For the crime of offering the facts, the punishment is public damnation, and to fail to actually accuse me by name is not any consolation; it is salt in the wound. What that does is create plausible deniability. To make ambiguous claims of guilt publicly there is the benefit of having the mud thrown on the target, hoping it will stick, while at the same time there is no possible "following the money" back to the source to find who is guilty of false accusations upon me specifically.
The message is discredited. Anyone daring to discredit to holy Washington is discredited. The actual accused people are unable to face their accuser; since there was no specific individual accused. I'm supposed not to know how that works? I won't expose the plan? I'll keep my mouth shut?
Which people do I share this country with in fact? Are we the stewards of all in our power, asked by the creator to avoid harming each other, please, or be damned?
If you can fool some of the people some of the time then that is good enough for Hamilton, Washington, Adams, and whoever else offers evil hidden behind nice sounding words?
Time: 108
Dave from California is asking about logistics. I will be at the California Call tonight and I will ask for copies of what I am expected to sign so that John Darash can authorize checking boxes, fast track, but not cutting corners, and the honorable way, not the dishonorable way.
My blood boils at that point. For my trouble I am called a liar, and I cut corners, and I am dishonorable. All I am doing is working to defend the innocent. The box checking is not my idea. The effective defense of the innocent through trial by jury is not my idea. Some ideas are very good ideas, proven over time.
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6-30-2014 Announcement
Pre-conference open.
Please consider deliberately deliberating upon the information offered and add to or subtract from the information offered.
Will we meet to sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people so that those criminals can injure us more, or are we meeting to sign documents to declare our independence from those who demand that we sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people who will use any advantage they can get from their targeted victims?
If you have no idea as to what that question means, and you have no interest in finding out if that question is a valuable question worthy of at least a few competitive answers, then in my opinion your help is as good as this:
http://www.nationalcenter.org/SamuelAdams1776.html
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From the day on which an accommodation takes place between England and America, on any other terms than as independent States, I shall date the ruin of this country. a politic minister will study to lull us into security by granting us the full extent of our petitions. The warm sunshine of influence would melt down the virtue which the violence of the storm rendered more firm and unyielding. In a state of tranquillity, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. Every art of corruption would be employed to loosen the bond of union which renders our resistance formidable. When the spirit of liberty, which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms, is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin and render us easier victims to tyranny. Ye abandoned minions of an infatuated ministry, if peradventure any should yet remain among us, remember that a Warren and Montgomery are numbered among the dead. Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, What should be the reward of such sacrifices? Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, and plow, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom--go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!
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There were, there is, and there will be people who say one thing so as to then have the criminal power to do the opposite thing.
I am here to help. That is a shinning example offered by criminals as they then set about to help themselves to whatever they can take from the targeted victims of their lies.
Rather than focus monopolistically, or only, on the accurate measure of the threat, and instead of combing through the paperwork that I do not even have in my possession, concerning the scheduled meeting to "constitute" California Counties, my effort now is to offer a competitive answer to the question tabled, and to offer an example of what is an Individual Declaration of Independence as I see it.
Back to the question (fenced in):
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Will we meet to sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people so that those criminals can injure us more, or are we meeting to sign documents to declare our independence from those who demand that we sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people who will use any advantage they can get from their targeted victims?
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The question can be reduced in word count (symbol count) down to a Stop or Go sign, for those who prefer to communicate with symbols like TL;DNR; but that would be an example of an answer to the question.
The question can be reduced and rewritten as a multiple choice question; but again that would be offering an answer to the question.
The question can be improved during deliberate deliberation among free people as free people deliberately decide to command their own power of will and apply their individual power toward our common defense; whereby the sentence is built up from many competitive viewpoints offering many competitive versions of the question, so as then to built up a multidimensional point of view that is not the same thing as "too many cooks spoil the brew."
My single, monopolistic, prone to error, dictatorial, limited, bound, fenced-in, low quality, and high cost viewpoint, offered as a wordy question in English, can be looked at from other angles of view, and other angles of view may be other added vantage points where other people can see things I do not see, other people can see faults in the sentences hidden from me, other people can see unnecessary redundancies, superfluous extravagance, errors, omissions, contradictions, other people can see viewpoints that are not viewable from my point of view, and as a two dimensional viewpoint becomes a three dimensional viewpoint the thing being viewed takes three dimensional shape of greater accuracy which is higher quality and the accurate viewpoint is less costly and again that adds to the higher quality.
Low quality:
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Will we meet to sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people so that those criminals can injure us more, or are we meeting to sign documents to declare our independence from those who demand that we sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people who will use any advantage they can get from their targeted victims?
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The question tabled right now, right here, at this preconference CALL TO PENS is for the purpose of getting prepared in advance of the Conference Phone Call on Tuesday before the Meeting to sign documents on July 12th, and that question tabled right now is fenced in by my very limited and very error prone viewpoint; but at least it is offered, and it is offered in writing, and it is offered as a PUBLIC NOTICE.
All of you all are the PUBLIC as far as I am concerned. When I ran for congress I ran as an INDIVIDUAL, on my own dimes, my own two feet, my own words, my own offers of single-minded viewpoint; whereby it is wrong to torture, experiment on, cut off heads, and burn alive, pregnant mothers, infants, babies, toddlers, and other innocent fellow friends in Liberty.
So my viewpoint is tainted with moral conscience.
But my viewpoint is offered. My viewpoint is in writing. My viewpoint is PUBLIC NOTICE.
Before the Tuesday California Conference which is on the schedule before the signing (ceremony?) on July 12th, there is a Public Written Meeting Offered here and now, and at this meeting ONE individual offers ONE question in a fence:
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Will we meet to sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people so that those criminals can injure us more, or are we meeting to sign documents to declare our independence from those who demand that we sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people who will use any advantage they can get from their targeted victims?
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And added to that fenced in tainted viewpoint tainted by the heavy load of moral conscience is an opening bid in writing as a document worth signing, in my single opinion, so it is singularly authorized by me, written by me, because I'm having a real hard time dealing with my taint of moral conscience applied to the so called documents I hear about, or I have seen, or I have signed in ignorance, or I have signed in apathy, or I have signed under duress, the same duress that is measurable as that heavy load of moral conscience.
I Joe Kelley declare as fact that there is absolutely no way that I have, can, or will give anyone my power to defend myself in time and place. If my power to defend myself is transferred in any way from me to anyone else that transfer is accomplished by criminal means, and I mean to find out precisely who those criminals are, in fact, in time, and in place. That is the least I can do as an individual bound by moral conscience.
That is it, that is all I have now; but I can sign something like that, and I can do so with honor, and I can do so with a clear conscience. From that point of my stand on principle I understand myself I can move to another possible step, baby step, from here in a time, and a place, where my fellows, as far as I can tell, are not helping me when my questions are ignored.
Now as to answer:
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Will we meet to sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people so that those criminals can injure us more, or are we meeting to sign documents to declare our independence from those who demand that we sign documents for exclusive use by a few criminally powerful people who will use any advantage they can get from their targeted victims?
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As to answer for that question ignored by other people, not ignored by me, I can offer comments and possible answers that may be useful.
I will not sign documents that I think will be documents viewed by criminals as my consent to be their victims.
Well Joe, your signature is on your Drivers License, and our signature is on mortgage papers, and your signature is on many documents that are viewed by criminals as consent by you for you to be their victims, on, and on, and on, in a sea of deceit, a pool of lies, a stew of deception, a war between accurate accounting and falsehood known as moral conscience.
No.
No more.
I won't, it is past time, there will be no more of it.
I can sign the following (or something better):
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I Joe Kelley declare as fact that there is absolutely no way that I have, can, or will give anyone my power to defend myself in time and place. If my power to defend myself is transferred in any way from me to anyone else that transfer is accomplished by criminal means, and I mean to find out precisely who those criminals are, in fact, in time, and in place. That is the least I can do as an individual bound by moral conscience.
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I don't even have to sign it. I acknowledge it. Here is Public Notice. Who dares to claim otherwise? Those who will claim otherwise confess their guilty minds.
I can add to that:
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I Joe Kelley declare as fact that there is absolutely no way that I have, can, or will give anyone my power to defend myself in time and place. If my power to defend myself is transferred in any way from me to anyone else that transfer is accomplished by criminal means, and I mean to find out precisely who those criminals are, in fact, in time, and in place. That is the least I can do as an individual bound by moral conscience. I do not have to sign anything whereby something is self evident such as my power to defend myself existing precisely as it exists in time and place, and if I do sign anything, anywhere, anytime, I do so only as an offer of good will to other people as other people may demand from me evidence of my participation in their lives; at their request.
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I Joe Kelley declare as fact that there is absolutely no way that I have, can, or will give anyone my power to defend myself in time and place. If my power to defend myself is transferred in any way from me to anyone else that transfer is accomplished by criminal means, and I mean to find out precisely who those criminals are, in fact, in time, and in place. That is the least I can do as an individual bound by moral conscience. I do not have to sign anything whereby something is self evident such as my power to defend myself existing precisely as it exists in time and place, and if I do sign anything, anywhere, anytime, I do so only as an offer of good will to other people as other people may demand from me evidence of my participation in their lives; at their request. If anyone, anytime, any place, has any claim of authority over me, in any way, they can either agree to assemble a trial by jury for that purpose, or as far as I am concerned they have no claim of authority over me, and we are bound then by moral conscience to find agreement where agreement may be difficult for us to find on our own volition.
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I Joe Kelley declare as fact that there is absolutely no way that I have, can, or will give anyone my power to defend myself in time and place. If my power to defend myself is transferred in any way from me to anyone else that transfer is accomplished by criminal means, and I mean to find out precisely who those criminals are, in fact, in time, and in place.
That is the least I can do as an individual bound by moral conscience.
I do not have to sign anything whereby something is self evident such as my power to defend myself existing precisely as it exists in time and place, and if I do sign anything, anywhere, anytime, I do so only as an offer of good will to other people as other people may demand from me evidence of my participation in their lives; at their request.
If anyone, anytime, any place, has any claim of authority over me, in any way, they can either agree to assemble a trial by jury for that purpose, or as far as I am concerned they have no claim of authority over me, and we are bound then by moral conscience to find agreement where agreement may be difficult for us to find on our own volition.
If anyone, anytime, any place, removes power from me against my knowledge, against my will, they make war upon me, they are traitors to Liberty, they are traitors to moral conscience, they are criminals by their guilty minds that drive their criminal actions.
Let that be my notice, my declaration, my affirmation, my affidavit, of my acknowledgement of my moral duty as one of a kind.
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I Joe Kelley declare as fact that there is absolutely no way that I have, can, or will give anyone my power to defend myself in time and place. If my power to defend myself is transferred in any way from me to anyone else that transfer is accomplished by criminal means, and I mean to find out precisely who those criminals are, in fact, in time, and in place.
That is the least I can do as an individual bound by moral conscience.
I do not have to sign anything whereby something is self evident such as my power to defend myself existing precisely as it exists in time and place, and if I do sign anything, anywhere, anytime, I do so only as an offer of good will to other people as other people may demand from me evidence of my participation in their lives; at their request.
If anyone, anytime, any place, has any claim of authority over me, in any way, they can either agree to assemble a trial by jury for that purpose, or as far as I am concerned they have no claim of authority over me, and we are bound then by moral conscience to find agreement where agreement may be difficult for us to find on our own volition.
If anyone, anytime, any place, removes power from me against my knowledge, against my will, they make war upon me, they are traitors to Liberty, they are traitors to moral conscience, they are criminals by their guilty minds that drive their criminal actions.
Furthermore, the criminals among us must be defended against by us, as our duty to do so is self evidently clear to us, by our power of moral conscience. Failure to defend the innocent will result in the inevitable destruction of all innocence as everyone will then be criminals at that point.
It is my duty by my own self aware moral conscience to accurately discover who will defend the innocent, to find agreement among us, and to accurately discriminate our number from the number of criminals who are formed into extremely destructive organizations of criminals.
It is furthermore my duty as a moral living self aware life form to offer those criminals who are accurately identified as criminals a method by which those criminals can redeem themselves in time and place.
It is furthermore obvious to me that my own propensity for error alarms me to a point at which I must rely upon honest help from other people so as to afford me the opportunity to redeem myself in time and place.
Let that be my notice, my declaration, my affirmation, my affidavit, of my acknowledgement of my moral duty as one of a kind.
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At this point my propensity for error appears to me as a reality.

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How can someone be inspired into action?

Might it be a good idea to know right action from wrong action?

Those who have read any of my work know of a line in the sand described in so many words as right founders founding the idea of Liberty and wrong founders founding a counterfeit version.

That arrangement of words just offered by one volunteer may be an example of uncertain terms; an intended message that fails to convey the accurate account from one volunteer to another.

There is in my power a flanking move that can work instead of the frontal attack. Rather than spelling things out in stark naked factual accounting, in plain English, I can, instead, employ artful allegory.

5 boys from one brother and one sister combined with 2 boys from a younger brother and a younger sister, played games when growing up. I was 3rd down from the top and 3rd up from the bottom of the larger group of double cousins. The eldest of the smaller group of double cousins, meaning children of brothers who married sisters, or fathers who are brothers while mothers are also sisters, the eldest child of the younger parents, my double cousin one year younger than I, offered a game called 3 way chess.

We played.

There are 6 players on 3 chess boards with one central location and 2 satellite locations where the combatants test their tactical skills in battle. Win at all cost, and employ any move that gains advantage, including a concept known as strategy; all done within a very narrow cage of movement. Threats, lies, faints, and psychological warfare distract none of the pieces on any of the boards. Layered over the tightly controlled boundaries containing the cannon fodder, the pieces, is now, in this game, is resurrection and teleporation from one life on the satellite Nation, into the Central Bank of absolute dictatorship, the ultimate, the final solution as to who wins, and who suffers complete defeat.  

Complicating the rules of the game of chess was, or can be, the idea that pieces from one theater, one of two linked chess boards, is a new rule, a new capability, where one captured piece by one player on one team, is a captured piece given to the team commander in the central theater of battle, and the commander on one side in the central theater of battle has an opportunity to place that captured piece into a position in opposition to the pieces threatening the player in command of the captured warrior.

So...I remember playing this game, and I remember the intensity of battle, opposing the central commander with my typical tactic of taking pieces quickly, man for man, burning through the lines rapidly, so as to reduce the complications, to narrow down the variables, to simplify, and to do so rapidly. I remember commanding the central theater, rushing through the enemy lines, trading kills, for in the center battle the pieces are dead, gone forever, never to return. Never to be resurrected. Dead letters.

Then, suddenly, distraction from the prime objective, off in peripheral vision, on the side, is commotion. A team member on my side celebrates the capture of a queen, a fallen queen, a former deadly piece working for the other side, and this I remember so well, it was my team leader Tom, my youngest cousin. He raises up this captured queen, rejoicing, declaring a victory of immense significance fitting the occasion, and as my focus of attention is temporarily diverted from the battle in my theater I see the deliberate effort by Tom to add formality to the celebration of handing over the item of interest.

That is the end of my pollution effort.

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/comment/1595#comment-1595

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"I can offer my thoughts. I write, that is what I do."

Yes, you write lengthy, incomprehensible posts that say very little. They pollute this forum. Please stop.
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If no one gives me the information I need, to know the difference between pollution and things of interest, then I can't know, and so I must rely upon my own interests.

Given to me, as far as my very limited capacity to defend the innocent goes, was this:

http://blog.ucadia.com/2014/07/true-history-of-america-part-1-1666.html

That reminds me of my days playing 3 way chess with the most valuable people I knew, those who shared something in time and place, something so valuable as to be indescribable with mere words.

We brothers and double cousins were given life and we shared it with interest.

We learned a thing or two.

From the Australian are the following word:

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It also gave the company the excuse to start building up its Red Army and Blue Army as a completely banker controlled war, with the Blue Army eventually to become known as the Continental Army. The Company then appointed one of its most devious, sociopathic and dishonest mercenary leaders to be the leader of the Blue Army.
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If you do not know the game you are playing, how can you win?

That is a question. Is that question more pollution? Are my words (offered honestly) a measure of just so much rot, feces, worm ridden biscuits, poisoned water?

So be it, if it is true, then my life can be spent elsewhere, doing good things where I can find any evidence of good things, such as any evidence that works as a piece of the puzzle put in place so as to go in the direction of Liberty, in the direction of effective defense of the innocent, so as to avoid going in the wrong  direction, the wrong direction that may be, as I see it, which is the direction of blind obedience to falsehood without question.

The piece was handed to me, because I am connected in the game, by chance, by interest, by fate, by providence, who knows? Not me. I don't know, and so I ask questions.

The piece sent me on a mission to use the piece, to use the queen, if it can be used, on my own chess board, in opposition to the opponent I see before me, as I've offered countless times, as the opponent returns clearly in view facing me, and that opponent will always be blind belief in falsehood without question, or, someone gives me reason to see a different foe, a foe more clearly knowable, tangible, present, dangerous, ubiquitous.

Deceit.

So, the piece handed to anyone caring to listen, handed to me because I care to listen, handed to all, to me, from Australia, sent me, alone, on a mission.

I found this:
Map:
http://www.britishbattles.com/fort-washington.htm

This found just now:
http://www.bartleby.com/184/121.html
 
This (to sum up current reporting):
http://www.mindfulwalker.com/explore-new-york/in-our-midst-the-prison-ship-martyrs

I ran out of time, presently, to study, to learn, and then to offer a viewpoint.

A quote:
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As to Politics, I think we are now safely landed. The apprehension which Britain must be under from her neighbours must effectually prevent her sending reinforcements, could she procure them. She dare not, I think, in the present situation of affairs, trust her troops so far from home.      13

  No Commissioners are yet arrived. I think fighting is nearly over, for Britain, mad, wicked, and foolish, has done her utmost. The only part for her now to act is frugality, and the only way for her to get out of debt is to lessen her Government expenses. Two Millions a year is a sufficient allowance, and as much as she ought to expend exclusive of the interest of her Debt. The affairs of England are approaching either to ruin or redemption. If the latter she may bless the resistance of America.      14

  For my own part, I thought it very hard to have the Country set on fire about my Ears almost the moment I got into it; and among other pleasures I feel in having uniformly done my duty, I feel that of not having discredited your friendship and patronage.
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As word spread about the conditions, the harsh treatment of prisoners only served to stiffen the spine of the resistance to British rule. On the prison ships, the soldiers and sailors could have escaped torment and stayed alive by swearing allegiance to the British crown and enlisting in the British forces. Few made this choice. It strikes me that I owe them an incalculable debt.
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So...a puzzle piece offered (pollution to some) is this:

Be kind to your own posterity as your own ancestors have been; they offered accurate accounting as a defense against those who reach for that final solution, for dependence upon deception leads to self made hell on earth.

Let me know, please, if possible under no uncertain terms, which side your viewpoint leads me, affording me the light of accurate accounting in a sea of self imposed darkness.

“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;”

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http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/monday-conference-call-7-17-2014

Early on in the call words were said claiming that only one of the people of New York attended (...they only had one person from New York...") the Con Con of 1787. Time: 30:50

If that is the claim, then that is false. Later on the claim was corrected as Alexander Hamilton was the only one (crook) who signed the usurpation.

Later on another claim is made on a name BRUTUS. Time: 1:19

http://www.constitution.org/afp/brutus00.htm

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The series of anti-federalist writing which most nearly paralleled and confronted The Federalist was a series of sixteen essays published in the New York Journal from October, 1787, through April, 1788, during the same period The Federalist was appearing in New York newspapers, under the pseudonym "Brutus", in honor of the Roman republican who was one of those who assassinated Julius Caesar, to prevent him from overthrowing the Roman Republic. The essays were widely reprinted and commented on throughout the American states. The author is thought by most scholars to have been Robert Yates, a New York judge, delegate to the Federal Convention, and political ally of anti-federalist New York Governor George Clinton. All of the essays were addressed to "the Citizens of the State of New York".
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BRUTUS may be Robert Yates; listed here:
http://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog#page/n112/mode/2up
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SECRET DEBATES
OF THE
FEDERAL CONVENTION
Notes of the Secrete Debates of the Federal Convention of 1787, taken by the late Hon. Robert Yates, Chief Justice of the State of New York, and one of the Delegates from that State to the said Convention
Friday, May 25th, 1787
Attended the convention of the States, at the State House in Philadelphia, when the following States were represented:
New York, Alexander Hamilton, Robert Yates
New Jersey, David Brearley, William Churchill Houston, William Paterson.
Pennsylvania, Robert Morris, Thomas Fitzsimons, James Wilson, Gouverneur Morris.

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Robert Yates and John Lansing:
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Letter
From the honorable Robert Yates, and the honorable John Lansing, Jun., Esquires, to the Governor of New York, containing their reasons for not subscribing to The Federal Constitution.
…; we, therefore, gave the principles of the constitution, which has received the sanctions of a majority of the convention, our decided and unreserved dessent…
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So...
John Darash apparently thinks that 13 Colonies became States in 1787. Few people fought the war. And Alexander Hamilton was the only one from New York who helped create a Federated Government.

The actual facts are quite different. Many farmers and regular working people stopped working to perform their duties as defenders of Liberty as temporary armed forces. Those people began defending (called rebellion, insurrection, leveling, by the criminals who take over government) well before 1776.

1776 involved a list of people who recorded the general idea of Liberty then working in the minds of the people including the one deist named Thomas Paine.

http://www.deism.com/paine.htm

Early 1776 was the publication and sale of a high volume of copies of Common Sense.
Later in 1776 was the publication and recording of The Declaration of Independence.
Then the British began to put in place a number of traitors that included George Washington, Robert Morris, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Adams.
George Washington worked to destroy the voluntary militia forces. Robert Morris and Alexander Hamilton worked to build up the central bank fraud and the merchant monopolies including the beginnings of the black slave trade.

The people created a number of Republics, most of which were formed according to their own Constitutions and Bill of Rights, and those 13 Republics formed a Federation under The Articles of Federation.

All of that happened before the British were finally driven out when the French began offering significant military power against The British.

How people can't see this I have no idea.

After the British were driven out there were many people on the frontier lands who were driven into poverty by the banking cabal as Gresham's Law took over and drove gold out of circulation as the fraud money does every time the criminals try it. The people on the frontier areas again took up arms to defend Liberty and this time in Massachusetts the criminals won, and they drove the "rebels" out of Massachusetts
into Vermont.

There was no Consolidated Nation State Monopoly Power under The Articles of Confederation to force people in Vermont to return the slaves that ran into Vermont when those people lost the last battle of the Revolutionary War.

If you CANNOT listen to the reasoning offered by my words, so be it, that is fine, but you might want to look here:

http://www.amazon.com/Shayss-Rebellion-American-Revolutions-Battle/dp/08...

That was the proof of the concept of free market government, or true federation, at work, where people, at the last resort, can vote with their feet from a slave state, fleeing to find sanctuary in a free state, even while all states are formed into a voluntary defensive association.

You can't see it? Why? What word magic has you in a spell?

The Constitution made slavery legal according to those who did the dirty deed in 1787.

Yates was there as a representative from New York. Yates is now claimed to be BRUTUS as the writer who exposed the criminal takeover done by the so called Federalist Party, which consisted of George Washington, Robert Morris, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Adams, and who knows which black slave traders in the South?

Why is this news to anyone?

Time: 1:16:15

"...I'm kinda hoping to get California on board. We do have some people out there that have the ability to write and handle these things."

I was the first one to volunteer as California State Coordinator. I know Dave of San Diego. I know Debra of Kern. I know Sheila of Sonoma. I know other people in California. So far I do not know who these people in California are, these people connected to John Darash, whereby John Darash speaks of California almost every Monday night, and people in California are connected to John Darash.

I've been out of the loop, of there is a loop. How is it that my being out of the loop also includes my ink, paid for, my paper, paid for, is used in Constituting all the southern division of counties? How am I so far out of the loop, and yet somehow my input helps put California on the FULLY CONSTITUTED STATES list?

I don't get it. Perhaps someday the things envisioned by John Darash will happen in California, and then I get to meet these people who are so well connected to John Darash, giving John Darash reason to expect so much from these people in California.
For me, for my part, the goal is Liberty. I do not see the goal as indictments. Case 1, as far as I am concerned, should be the freeing of all the slaves in California who are currently suffering under the mortgage fraud or Federal Reserve Interest. Case 2, as far as I am concerned, should be the freeing of all the salves in California who are currently suffering under the Internal Revenue Extortion Service. How are we supposed to indict a Federal Reserve Chairman? What would be the point? Why not work on standing in between the goons working for the International Monetary FUND (IRS and FED) and their victims, and do so locally, in each county, simply, easily, non-violently, defending them against any further injury?

Here is Johnny Liberty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9a9PYp94T8

Red Beckman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__3BuJMNR_0

Time: 1:19:30

That is where John Darash speaks of BRUTUS as if someone worked to get things done right in the CON CON of 1787. That is all false according to the information I have found. BRUTUS was (likely) Robert Yates. Robert Yates was an opponent during the CON CON and then that document, that CON CON Constitution of 1787, that Slave Trading, Piracy, Money Monopoly, Monarchy, Nationalist Nation State Central Banking Monopoly Organized Crime Dirty Compromise, was set in stone. It was done. It was go or no go. It was adopt or reject. It was sold as something good by evil people who told lies to sell it, and it was opposed by BRUTUS after it was opposed by Robert Yates.

How does that history, well recorded as fact, become someone helping to create that slave trading document?

What is missing?

Time: 1:19:40 (or so)

"...he must be a philosopher..."

No, according to the evidence offered, he was Robert Yates. A philosopher at that time might have been Thomas Paine, the deist. Robert Yates was a representative from New York sent to Philadelphia to preserve Liberty, not destroy it, so he left the Con Con - did not sign it, and for good reason, reasons he explained in detail.

Who listened then?

Who listens now?

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Here: http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/california-administra...
I will offer study through two sources of information alternating between them.
Source A will be Trial by Jury
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/T...
Source B will be the falsely named Anti-Federalist Papers
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/docs/foundingdo...
Starting with a very troubling discovery in the falsely labeled Anti-Federalist Papers Numbered 40.
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It was a common saying among many sensible men in Great Britain and Ireland, in the time of the war, that they doubted whether the great men of America, who had taken an active part in favor of independence, were influenced by pure patriotism; that it was not the love of their country they had so much at heart, as their own private, interest; that a thirst after dominion and power, and not to protect the oppressed from the oppressor, was the great operative principle that induced these men to oppose Britain so strenuously. This seemingly illiberal sentiment was, however, generally denied by the well-hearted and unsuspecting friends of American liberty in Europe, who could not suppose that men would engage in so noble a cause thro' such base motives. But alas! The truth of the sentiment is now indisputably confirmed; facts are stubborn things, and these set the matter beyond controversy. The new constitution and the conduct of its despotic advocates, show that these men's doubts were really well founded. Unparalleled duplicity! That men should oppose tyranny under a pretence of patriotism, that they might themselves become the tyrants. How does such villainy disgrace human nature! Ah, my fellow citizens, you have been strangely deceived indeed; when the wealthy of your own country assisted you to expel the foreign tyrant, only with a view to substitute themselves in his stead. . .
But the members of the Federal Convention were men w e been all tried in the field of action, say some; they have fought for American liberty. Then the more to their shame be it said; curse on the villain who protects virgin innocence only with a view that he may himself become the ravisher; so that if the assertion were true, it only turns to their disgrace; but as it happens it is not truth, or at least only so in part. This was a scheme taken by the despots and their sycophants to bias the public mind in favor of the constitution. For the convention was composed of a variety of characters: ambitious men, Jesuits, tories, lawyers, etc., formed the majority, whose similitude to each other, consisted only in their determination to lord it over their fellow citizens; like the rays that converging from every direction meet in a point, their sentiments and deliberations concentered in tyranny alone; they were unanimous in forming a government that should raise the fortunes and respectability of the well born few, and oppress the plebeians.
PHILADELPHIENSIS
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A method of discovering the facts to then have facts with which to deliberate on questions of law can be used in this case. Find the names of the people who constituted the Continental Congress as they were the Federal government under The Articles of Confederation.
There is then three lists of names:
1. Those signing a Declaration of Independence
2. Those members of the Continental Congress
3. Those members usurping Liberty with their secretive, false, Con Con of 1787
Cut and pasted from the falsely named Anti-Federalist Paper number 40 (a) is:
"For the convention was composed of a variety of characters: ambitious men, Jesuits, tories, lawyers, etc., "
I've read only about half of the text in the falsely named Anti-Federalist Papers but that reading has opened my eyes to many new understandings of what was actually happening during the time between declaring our duty as free people to defend each other against criminals who take over governments, in 1776, and then that criminal take over of our government in 1787.
There were a group of people called Quakers, for example, and they were pacifists, or conscientious objectors to the concept of violence used to gain anything. That type of driving principle is not the same as the driving principle driving ambitious men, Jesuits, tories, lawyers, etc., and so there are groups:
1. Patriots (those include over 10,000 patriots murdered by the Red Coats in so called prison ships, or "hospital" ships, and other extermination camps)
2. Quakers
3. Those who were on the side of the Patriots, but all they could do was be raped, or otherwise abused by the Red Coats, because they were ill equipped to violently defend themselves when that is the last option before being raped, or otherwise abused by the Red Coats.
4. Ambitions men (here the obvious list of names include those merchants working in collaboration with other merchants, and bankers, and politicians, whereby their trade is drug pushing, slave trading now called "human trafficking," money monopolization, and the criminalizing, cartelizing, monopolizing, of governments.)
5. Jesuits (see: http://one-evil.org/content/entities_organizations_jesuits.html)
6. Tories
The idea behind the study and employment of FACTS in the past (a.k.a. Accurate History) includes the often repeated practice of the criminals as the criminals create a pack of lies to replace the FACTS in the past, and therefore the necessity of discovering the FACTS in the past despite the very well worn practice of stealing the wealth of people so as to then feed people a pack of LIES that so happens to aid the criminals in the work of stealing the wealth of the people.
So the past includes people known as Tories.
The present can be discovered in 4 offers of current information:
1. Replacing History with False History:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCuc-2tfgk
2. Modern Day Tories (Keep meticulous records - as did the Nazis):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwjtbTjTsE
3. Explaining modern day Tories (Red Button Story)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTm3Jbr6ePQ
4. Modern Day Jesuits (Controlled opposition must be understood)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYlMDrig1Hc
A comment on numbers, and then a move to Trial by Jury:
The criminals who take over MUST control the opposition. This is as simple as knowing how many bullies are active on the playground in kindergarten. Some kids figure it out. There is the teacher, a bully, then there is one of the big kids, and which one controls the opposition in time and place?
When the criminals take over there just so happens to be piles upon piles of corpses of dead people. How many names of dead people count up to 8,000 dead people, for example?
http://www.usmm.org/revdead.html
If one person spoke each name, in an effort to help communicate the salvation of souls, or whatever idea inspired someone to speak each name, how long would it take to speak each name?
How much time and effort was required to torture and murder each one?
No one asks vital questions? Not just here, but other places too?
When is it a good time to ask vital questions? When is a good time to insist upon accurate answers? Is anyone other than myself and my son, known to me, able to offer their experience in trial by jury?
From Trial by Jury (Essay by Lysander Spooner):
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THE RIGHT OF JURIES TO JUDGE THE JUSTICE OF THE LAWS.
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The work done by Lysander Spooner is very simple. The volumes of words, the walls of text, the profuse use of English language, reinforces the simple truth.
How about a confirmation on the precise meaning of justice, before going further into the work done by Lysander Spooner on Trial by Jury?
The Science of Justice (Lysander Spooner)
http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/2182
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The ancient maxim makes the sum of a man’s legal duty to his fellow men to be simply this: “To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give to every one his due.”
This entire maxim is really expressed in the single words, to live honestly; since to live honestly is to hurt no one, and give to every one his due.
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So...
THE RIGHT OF JURIES TO JUDGE THE JUSTICE OF THE LAWS.
The right of juries to judge the honesty of the laws.
That means that each individual member of the whole body of people has a duty to pay their dues, their tax payments, in the form of jury duty, and that is how each King makes sure that each other King is honest in time and place.
I know, I know, that is not how Lysander Spooner arranges the English symbols so as to convey the intended message intact - without distortion.
"...to live honestly..."
Two practical examples:
1. You sit on a jury and you try a case where Karen Hudes is blowing the whistle on the Jesuits and the New World Order as those two factions are now battling it out to see who owns everyone else on this planet.
2. You sit on a jury and you try a case where Walter Burien is blowing the whistle on the local Major in your town as the so called taxes collected in your town are funneled into a FUND used at the exclusive pleasure of a few people named in the secretive paper work documenting the actual flow of POWER on a NET basis - not a false BUDGET basis.
Who decides if Karen Hudes is off her rocker if she starts speaking about Alien races with elongated sculls?
If I am on the Jury, and you are on the Jury, then we may have a conflict of opinions on that point.
My point would be that it is entirely possible that Karen Hudes did see someone posing as an Alien with an elongated skull, and she bought into that charade because it looked real from her viewpoint at the time and place where that event took place. She was not able to seize the man posing as an Alien with an elongated skull, cut into the fake scull with a scalpel, or sharp knife, and expose the counterfeiting operation for all to see, including herself - as a possible explanation for that DIVERSION away from the actual case.
If the case were a case whereby NO ONE in their right mind would ever use fraudulent money as OUR money, then what Karen Hudes has to say on that subject might be worth checking out, to find the FACTS relevant to that case, as my offer to a fellow jurist, as we endeavor to do what?
THE RIGHT OF JURIES TO JUDGE THE JUSTICE OF THE LAWS.
The law, so called, says pay the IRS an extortion payment, and the IRS demands FDRs, or Federal Reserve Notes as payment. Where does that POWER go? Does that POWER finance World War III so as to then cause Russia to do battle with Nato, so as then to allow the Central Banking Criminals to set up shop in Asia so as then to collect all the War DEBT accumulated during that crime in progress that has been a crime in progress since at least 1787 here in America?
THE RIGHT OF JURIES TO JUDGE THE JUSTICE OF THE LAWS.
I am an actual jurist. I sat on an actual jury. So has my son. We the people have this experience in FACT.
What?
This:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_tra...
That is the so called "official" Web Page for The Constitution where I look for the official version of the Bill of Rights. That has recently changed from the FACT it was, to the FACT it now is, and if you care to look, you can see a change in the numbering, done by someone, done in time and place in fact.
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Article the seventh... No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Article the eighth... In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Article the ninth... In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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That musical chairs effort to confound the Bill of Rights numbering was done after (coincidence?) a caller called in on the Monday Night National Liberty Alliance Conference Call to tell John Darash about the original copies (wet ink) and the significance of working with those original copies, including the Bill of Rights (numbering 12).
I don't have original copies. I have a copy (a physical printed copy) of the following book:
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Proceedings-Debates-Constitutio...
I took that with me to every meeting I've gone to where people in California met for National Liberty Alliance business. I've witnessed the "constituting" of Counties 3 times now, meetings in Riverside, Kern, and Temecula. I did not find occasions to share quotes in that book at those meetings.
Here is a .pdf copy:
http://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog#page/n14...
The reason for that book to be delayed in printing had to do with a gag order placed upon the people attending the first Con Con. What type of people gags people?
Inside that book are copies of the Amendments to the Constitution . There are 12 Articles.
The book (at the beginning of the pages in the book) prints this:
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Entered according to Act of Congress, in the year 1838, by
WARNER W. GUY,
In the Clerk’s Office of the District Court of the Eastern District of Virginia
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1838 is after these events:
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1. 1787
The British return with a covert operation known as a Con Con in Philadelphia intending to re-Monopolize the 13 colonies into one central banking fraud and extortion wing, or satellite, of the Bank of England.
2. 1789
Judiciary Act, to nullify trial by jury, of the people, for the people, and by the people, replacing trial by jury with Admiralty (English) Courts under false names of supreme dictatorship.
3. 1790
Rhode Island RAT-ifies the criminal take over as the last independent republic to fall victim to the false advertizement campaign run by the criminals who called themselves The Federalist PARTY.
4. 1790
Naturalization Act, a cover up name for marking the names and whereabouts of the victims, a head count.
5. 1791
The First Fraudulent Central Bank Scheme of the United States, directly linking the satellite bank with the supposed "enemies" The British and the Bank of England
6. 1794
The new King Proclaims the Whiskey Rebellion Proclamation, a false name for conscripting an army of slaves to invade the former independent Republic of Pennsylvania to crush the spirit of Liberty, enforce a criminal tax, and end a money competition then gaining currency as whiskey.
7. 1798
Alien and Sedition Acts, the British influence (supposed Enemies) the second American King, another False Federalist named John Adams, to punish anyone daring to side with the French (those who aided the defeat of the English in the so called Revolutionary War), and anyone daring to criticize the False Federalist, criminal, take over, for the British Bank of England, by those False Federalists. This by the way is done despite the Bill of Rights and the 1st, 5th, and 7th Amendments.
8. 1798-1799
The Rebels (against the criminal British and their minions running the American take-over) gain the services of a former Federalist named Madison, and both Madison and Jefferson pen resolutions intending to re-establish a working Federal design to push back against the Monopoly, or Monarchy, established by the traitors with their Con Con and other crimes.
9. 1800
Jefferson, a Democrat, a Republican, a Democrat-Republican, proponent of Federal government (labeled as an anti-federalist) is voted into the position of Monarch of America, foiling the plans of the False Federalists.
10. 1811
Jefferson, the true Federalists, end the First Criminal Fraud Bank, Central Bank, of the United (British) States (colonies).
11. 1812
Madison, a Democrat, a Republican, a Democrat-Republican, former False Federalist, turning his coat from Red, back to Blue, is voted in as the second "anti-federalist" Monarch.
11. 1812
The British attack. The true Federalists defend.
12. 1816
The Second Criminal Central Banking Fraud, Satellite of The Bank of England is established in the British Colonies where the people still think they have a true Federation. Madison turns his coat once again.
13. 1833
Jackson, Democrat, no longer a Democrat - Republican, of course not, the enemies change color so often, KILLS the bank by fiat, so executive fiat, a benevolent dictator, ends the "private" fiat of Central Banking, severing again the connection to the Bank of England.
14. 1833 to 1861
Known as Wild Cat Banking there is in America a time in which free market banking contends with Central Banking, seeking dominance, seeking investors, as free market banking goes head to head with the criminal versions.
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1838 was Martin Van Buren as Monarch (a.k.a. "President") of the British Colonies (a.k.a. Bank of England - slave traders, drug pushers, human traffickers, rapists, torturers, mass murderers, etc. )
Andrew Jackson has killed the bank (a.k.a. Central Banking Fraud, Second Bank of the United States)
It was a time of Wild Cat Banking (competition against monopoly) in America, before The so called Civil War.
A quick search discovers:
http://www.philadelphiafed.org/publications/economic-educati...
Keep in mind, fellow jurists, a maxim of economics. No one in their right mind pays more for less. That means that banking, like computers or cell phones, improve over time as the people paying for these things FORCE the people who make these things to improve the quality of these things while the people who make these things are also FORCED to lower the cost of these things when COMPETITION is allowed to happen, and when MONOPOLY is not used to make people insane (out of their minds).
It is insane for people to use Federal Reserve Notes. Use of Federal Reserve Notes virtually ensures, it finances, World War III and the torturous, horrid, terrifying death of hundreds of millions of people so as to secure World Reserve Currency Power in either The New World Order or the Jesuits, or whoever else is in that criminal Market.
It is insane not to allow competition, real competition, free market competition, not false "free market competition," in money (accurate accounting) markets.
Allowing free competition (not false "free") ensures that the quality of money (accurate accounting) goes up while the cost goes down.
You must get a handle on this, and the following three quotes (with sources) MUST be understood:
1. Reclaiming the American Revolution: The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions and Their Legacy
http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-American-Revolution-Kentuck...
1.a
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Second, federalism permits the states to operate as laboratories of democracy-to experiment with various policies and Programs. For example, if Tennessee wanted to provide a state-run health system for its citizens, the other 49 states could observe the effects of this venture on Tennessee's economy, the quality of care provided, and the overall cost of health care. If the plan proved to be efficacious other states might choose to emulate it, or adopt a plan taking into account any problems surfacing in Tennessee. If the plan proved to be a disastrous intervention, the other 49 could decide to leave the provision of medical care to the private sector. With national plans and programs, the national officials simply roll the dice for all 284 million people of the United States and hope they get things right.
Experimentation in policymaking also encourages a healthy competition among units of government and allows the people to vote with their feet should they find a law of policy detrimental to their interests. Using again the state-run health system as an example, if a citizen of Tennessee was unhappy with Tennessee's meddling with the provisions of health care, the citizen could move to a neighboring state. Reallocation to a state like North Carolina, with a similar culture and climate, would not be a dramatic shift and would be a viable option. Moreover, if enough citizens exercised this option, Tennessee would be pressured to abandon its foray into socialized medicine, or else lose much of its tax base. To escape a national health system, a citizen would have to emigrate to a foreign country, an option far less appealing and less likely to be exercised than moving to a neighboring state. Without competition from other units of government,the national government would have much less incentive than Tennessee would to modify the objectionable policy. Clearly, the absence of experimentation and competition hampers the creation of effective programs and makes the modification of failed national programs less likely.
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That explains FREE MARKET GOVERNMENT in a few words. FREE MARKET FORCES FORCE suppliers of government to supply every higher quality government at ever lower costs of government. The criminals go out of business when a working Federation works. That is abundantly clear in those falsely named Anti-federalist Papers; which include the END OF BLACK SLAVERY as FACT during the time when the Continental Congress people were the Federal Government under The Articles of Confederation; between 1776 and 1787. The Con Con Con Job (a.k.a The Constitution) reclaimed SLAVERY as a LEGAL PRACTICE in the damn document itself.
If not for the true Founders insisting upon a Bill of Rights (12 or 10?) there would no longer be any question as to the complete takeover by the human traffickers, drug pushers, rapists, torturers, murderers, and mass murderers. You know this, you know their inculpatory evidence that is in your face, the fraud money, the extortion payments, the piles upon piles of dead people that always pile up when the criminals take over, such as those 8,000 people listed by name murdered by the Red Coats and their Tories , their Layers, their Judges, their ambitious men.
So you know the fix, it is right there in that book, in those few words, where FREE MARKET GOVERNMENT, in the form of a working Federal Voluntary Union, fixed BLACK SLAVERY for one thing, and fixed Fraudulent Banking for another thing, in this place we call America.
What happened to ruin these people here in America?
Same source:
1. Reclaiming the American Revolution: The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions and Their Legacy
http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-American-Revolution-Kentuck...
1.b
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But Hamilton wanted to go farther than debt assumption. He believed a funded national debt would assist in establishing public credit. By funding national debt, Hamilton envisioned the Congress setting aside a portion of tax revenues to pay each year's interest without an annual appropriation. Redemption of the principal would be left to the government's discretion. At the time Hamilton gave his Report on Public Credit, the national debt was $80 million. Though such a large figure shocked many Republicans who saw debt as a menace to be avoided, Hamilton perceived debt's benefits. "In countries in which the national debt is properly funded, and the object of established confidence," explained Hamilton, "it assumes most of the purposes of money." Federal stock would be issued in exchange for state and national debt certificates, with interest on the stock running about 4.5 percent. To Republicans the debt proposals were heresy. The farmers and planters of the South, who were predominantly Republican, owed enormous sums to British creditors and thus had firsthand knowledge of the misery wrought by debt. Debt, as Hamilton himself noted, must be paid or credit is ruined. High levels of taxation, Republicans prognosticated, would be necessary just to pay the interest on the perpetual debt. Believing that this tax burden would fall on the yeoman farmers and eventually rise to European levels, Republicans opposed Hamilton's debt program.
To help pay the interest on the debt, Hamilton convinced the Congress to pass an excise on whiskey. In Federalist N. 12, Hamilton noted that because "[t]he genius of the people will ill brook the inquisitive and peremptory spirit of excise law," such taxes would be little used by the national government. In power, the Secretary of the Treasury soon changed his mind and the tax on the production of whiskey rankled Americans living on the frontier. Cash was scarce in the West and the Frontiersmen used whiskey as an item of barter.
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That is, as a mater of discoverable FACT, a confession. We the people earn our credit by our honest work. The criminals then claim that they own you. The criminals then claim that in order for their property to gain "credit" the criminals spend their fraudulent money at their pleasure, and they call that National Debt, and they send the bills to the people who earn credit by their honest industry.
That is a patented process. That is the same process used by the criminals in the time of Jesus. That is the same patented process used by the Communists.
If you can't see that, then I, and anyone like me, is going to have a hard time with YOU in a jury trial.
YOU are the problem in that case if WE are deciding a case in a Trial by Jury, because you are so damn ignorant.
I'm not sorry about it either. If YOU are so damn ignorant then it is your responsibility, accurately accountable to YOU, to stop being so damn ignorant.
What is at stake?
8,000 more Patriots piled into a ditch? Can you name each name, or is it much easier to just finance their torturous death? Work all year up to July, pay the extortion fee, with the fraud money, and then fiance the next pogrom. It won't be you in the hell on earth, so who cares?
Next quote is vital:
1. State Socialism and Anarchism:
HOW FAR THEY AGREE, AND WHEREIN THEY DIFFER (1888)
by Benjamin R. Tucker (1854-1939)
http://praxeology.net/BT-SSA.htm
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First in the importance of its evil influence they considered the money monopoly, which consists of the privilege given by the government to certain individuals, or to individuals holding certain kinds of property, of issuing the circulating medium, a privilege which is now enforced in this country by a national tax of ten per cent., upon all other persons who attempt to furnish a circulating medium, and by State laws making it a criminal offense to issue notes as currency. It is claimed that the holders of this privilege control the rate of interest, the rate of rent of houses and buildings, and the prices of goods, – the first directly, and the second and third indirectly. For, say Proudhon and Warren, if the business of banking were made free to all, more and more persons would enter into it until the competition should become sharp enough to reduce the price of lending money to the labor cost, which statistics show to be less than three-fourths of once per cent. In that case the thousands of people who are now deterred from going into business by the ruinously high rates which they must pay for capital with which to start and carry on business will find their difficulties removed. If they have property which they do not desire to convert into money by sale, a bank will take it as collateral for a loan of a certain proportion of its market value at less than one per cent. discount. If they have no property, but are industrious, honest, and capable, they will generally be able to get their individual notes endorsed by a sufficient number of known and solvent parties; and on such business paper they will be able to get a loan at a bank on similarly favorable terms. Thus interest will fall at a blow. The banks will really not be lending capital at all, but will be doing business on the capital of their customers, the business consisting in an exchange of the known and widely available credits of the banks for the unknown and unavailable, but equality good, credits of the customers and a charge therefor of less than one per cent., not as interest for the use of capital, but as pay for the labor of running the banks. This facility of acquiring capital will give an unheard of impetus to business, and consequently create an unprecedented demand for labor, – a demand which will always be in excess of the supply, directly to the contrary of the present condition of the labor market. Then will be seen an exemplification of the words of Richard Cobden that, when two laborers are after one employer, wages fall, but when two employers are after one laborer, wages rise. Labor will then be in a position to dictate its wages, and will thus secure its natural wage, its entire product. Thus the same blow that strikes interest down will send wages up. But this is not all. Down will go profits also. For merchants, instead of buying at high prices on credit, will borrow money of the banks at less than one per cent., buy at low prices for cash, and correspondingly reduce the prices of their goods to their customers. And with the rest will go house-rent. For no one who can borrow capital at one per cent. with which to build a house of his own will consent to pay rent to a landlord at a higher rate than that. Such is the vast claim made by Proudhon and Warren as to the results of the simple abolition of the money monopoly.
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OK, jurists, if your damnable willful ignorance has infested your brain to the point where you salivate on command like Pavlov's dogs at the mention of the word socialism, then YOU are a modern day Torrie, and I'm not on YOUR RED COAT SIDE.
That small offer of words from Benjamin Tucker (publisher of LIBERTY MAGAZINE) explains all you need to know to see why the criminals must create Thesis (Socialism), Anti-Thesis (Capitalism), so as to end up with Synthesis (Central Banking Monopoly Fraud).
When FREE MARKET (capitalist government or private government) GOVERNMENT (socialist government or public government) works as proven by the Federal model between 1776 and 1787, the demand for public and private government is supplied by individual people working in groups in COMPETITION (non-aggressive, non-antagonistic competition = not the false might makes right version of competition involving crime as a tool) to supply the higher quality and lower cost product viz - the best Constitutional Republic that private money can buy VOLUNTARILY.
That is my version. The version offered by Benjamin Tucker is his version. If you can't see the simplicity of how capitalism does work when capitalism is actually working in an actual free market, without the Central Banking Fraud on top of it, then you won't understand these words:
"Then will be seen an exemplification of the words of Richard Cobden that, when two laborers are after one employer, wages fall, but when two employers are after one laborer, wages rise."
That turns false capitalism (fascism, crony capitalism, monopoly, communism, legal crime) on its head.
When the criminals take over they steal everything worth stealing and then they use the stolen loot to steal more, and the obvious, accurately measurable, result of that is a lot of dead bodies, as that works like a sink being sunk by the rats on the ship, and each rat is then at each other rat's throat, as all productive capacity is used up in killing each other while the supplies of everything worth stealing dwindles down to nothing, like the remaining air as the ship sinks, and all the wet rats are then breathing water.
The criminals know this, so they know when to move of their ship they sink on purpose.
They don't care that there are piles of bodies floating down the river. They make money on that FACT.
You don't get it?
You still don't get it?
How about one jurist on one place at one time asking another jurist a question, a vital question, and then both jurists refuse all answers that are not competitive, in other words, we can make a list of 10 possible answers to the vital question, and then we these two people discover, deliberately, the one best possible answer out of the 10 we discover in due process of law?
Vital Questions (10 for a possible effort to find 1 best 1 out of 10):
1. If people work in America, creating wealth, is an accurately accountable amount of that wealth stolen and then used to finance World War III, so as to move POWER to Asia, where people in Asia will then be collecting WAR DEBT (so called) from people working in America?
2. If 1 is true, then can we the people in these Republics like California, and we the people in these Counties in California like San Bernardino, can we find those accurate accounts of those transfers of wealth flowing from we the people into that FUND that is then used to finance World War III?
3. If 2 is true, then are those accurate records those extortion payments known as Internal Revenue Service Tax Liabilities, and those payments that are known as Interest payments made to a Central Bank, such as The International Monetary FUND, whereby criminals are operating a counterfeiting racket, and therefore all so called "interest" payments and all so called "tax liabilities" are, in FACT, the accurate record of the incuplatory evidence proving the FACT, that people in America are financing their own demise, and those FACTS constitute our authority to know we have been had, in a big way.
4. If 3 is true, then can we the people help each other defend each other against any further damage?
5. If 4 is true, then can we the people use trial by jury because we the people want to defend ourselves?
6. If 5 is true, then can we the people use the Bill of Rights (original ink copy preferred) as evidence proving the FACT that people can use FACTS as their authority to defend each other?
7. If 6 is true, then can we the people use common law grand jury due process as a process that affords everyone LAW, including the criminals, as a defense against any crime whatsoever in time and in place?
8. If 7 is true, then can we the people randomly select 25 people in each county and with just 3 cases can we the people end the central banking fraud, the extortion racket, and the practice of following criminal orders without question, in each county, in each Republic, in this Federation that we work as a true Federation?
9. If 8 is true, then what do those 3 cases look like on paper?
10, If 9 is done, who will do it?

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First:
I offered my competitive viewpoints to John Darash on the subject matter (jurisdiction?) of Administrator Education.
I was given the go ahead, by John Darash, to start this Topic with this title. I wanted the title to be along the lines of Administrator Courses Competition. Someone on the Conference Call wanted a different title; hence the title Administrator Discussion instead of Administrator Course Competition, or Administrator Testing Competition.
During that conversation I asked questions concerning the future Testing procedure that will work as a GATE KEEPING effort to stack the Administrators allowed into POWER as National Liberty Alliance Common Law Grand Jury Administrators.
Before someone goes all nuts on me, in their brains, as to the GATE KEEPING and JURY STACKING terminology, it may help to know what I mean in FACT.
It is perfectly legitimate to narrow down the pool of jurists in any case where people in ancient history, or people in recent history, or people now, or people in the future endeavor to employ the concept of trial by jury as an effective means by which people defend each other with a process that is affordable to everyone, and affordable especially to the criminals who may then find a remedy for their life of crime with due process of law.
Stacking the jury, or keeping the gate closed to unwanted jurists, or opening the gate to jurists wanted, qualifier, able, educated, knowledgeables, wise, moral, effective, accurate, kind, just, merciful, on and on, can be easily seen in a few angles of view.
1. Rocks cannot sit on juries. Rocks cannot breath air, or see things, but rocks don't lie, so a rock on a jury is better than a specialist who specializes in lying.
2. Lizards, rats, vampire bats, mad dogs, vipers, tomatoes, cabbages,
other vegetables, and any number of unqualified living beings cannot sit on juries, but again those living things do not lie, so those things are better on juries than well practiced, well paid, well educated, liars.
3. Randomly selecting 12 people out of all things, everywhere, including rocks, rats, and cabbages, are not likely to work effectively in defending the innocent from the liars and the criminals who hire the liars to keep the criminals covered up.
4. Narrowing down the effective pool of jurists is a process that is now working as I type this in reality. Those who volunteer to be jurists are in the pool. Those who don't, are not in the pool.
5. Despite all the efforts by the well paid liars, the criminals, and the foreign, evil, Exchequer/Common Pleas/Equity/Chancellery/Admiralty-Maritime/Kangaroo (see: http://www.lawteacher.net/english-legal-system/lecture-notes/equity.php) Court people (things cannot be responsible or accountable for willful action) the innocent people are not so stupid, ignorant, apathetic, dumb, reckless, criminally negligent, or criminally insane, to completely remove trial by jury from existence as a means by which people defend people from criminals, and people defend people especially from people who are hidden behind the color of law.
Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SWuXncoKsM
6. Despite all the effective falsehood infecting so many minds in the existing jury pool, trial by jury remains very powerful as a process afforded to almost everyone - if we the people volunteer.
7. Can the existing pool of jurists be inspired to volunteer, to educate themselves, and to then be better armed at finding the truth and the law in any case?
The concept of National Liberty Alliance is effectually an answer to the previous question.
Yes, that is gate keeping, and yes that is stacking the jury POOL.
So long as the element of random selection (sortition) is preserved so long will the Rule by Man (dictatorship) element be removed.
Res-pubica, or government for the people, by the people, and of the people, is thereby preserved, and thereby, with that element of sortition (random selection) the ultimate choice of stacking each jury in each case is out of the hands of dictators and into the hands of whichever POWER is at work when 12 (petite) or 25 (grand) people are randomly selected in each case.
Let that be clear, please.
Moving onto subject matter (what I consider to be Case 1, Case 2, and Case 3) information:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SWuXncoKsM
Time: 22:00 onward
Before commenting a reference ought to be linked:
For readers:
http://resistir.info/livros/john_perkins_confessions_of_an_economic_hit_...
For those who prefer not to read:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cora2zzVl3o
The common denominators stand out as:
1. Monopoly control (antagonistic, criminal, competition)
2. Free Market Competition (cooperative, mutually beneficial, competition)
In context of my earlier works on Federation (13 Republics Voluntary Union) versus Consolidation (Con Con of 1787 Legalized Slavery), please consider 5o Constitutionally Limited Republics each commanding their own competitive Free Market Money systems.
New York may employ the following:
A New System of Paper Currency by Lysander Spooner
http://lysanderspooner.org/node/40
That type of system backs the money (accurately accounted, or "sound") with Real Estate.
Alaska my use a money backed by Gold and Oil.
California may be an Free Market Money State where any city and any county can use their own money exemplified here:
http://utopianist.com/2011/01/stimulus-writ-small-tiny-california-town-p...
So the idea can be expressed in the following example:
http://www.lietaer.com/2010/03/the-worgl-experiment/
The way it works for the criminals is for the criminals to create a DEPENDENCE upon the CRIMINAL money (unsound, false, misleading, fraudulent, extortive, or just call it what it is: criminal) and then the criminals add or subtract the MONEY SUPPLY to create BOOMS and BUSTS.
When the criminals create BUSTS, there is then DEPRESSION cause by the criminals who outlaw any money other than the criminal money, and the criminals keep all the money, and the criminals do not allow anyone other than fellow criminals to gain access to the criminal money, and that is a simple as it gets folks.
So...the story in Worgl Austria, before Wall Street financed the rise of Hitler and the Nazis, was a place where the people solved their dependence upon criminal money problem.
That is the same story each time that solution is used (in any form the money may take) when the criminals intend to cause DEPRESSION or BUST, or DESTABILIZATION, or whichever word they want to use today: inflation, quantitative easing, enhanced interrogation techniques, extraordinary rendition, human trafficking.
How about that one? Look mom there is a human traffic jam.
How about trail of tears?
How about Bataan Death March?
See what happens when accurate accounting is done? Call a spade a spade and follow the trail back to the source to find what?
So the fix on the Federal design is such that there are then 50 Republics where some of the Republics may have 50 competitions going on in each county, and the result is a FORCE (free market force is strictly voluntary choices people make so as to get more bang for their bucks, better instead of worse, higher quality instead of lower quality, and lower cost instead of higher cost) and what does the money look like at that point when that starts?
What does the money look like when that free market force works for a long time in many competitive cities, counties, republics, and federations?
Compare the improvements in money markets (negative) to the improvements in computers and cell phones (positive).
If people can't set aside the health issues with cell phones, then concentrate only on how free market forces work on personal computers instead of both cell phones and personal computers, or, just look at connectivity in general.
Free market forces work to inspire people to make better connections.
1. Gestures made with grunts and hand signals
2. Spoken language
3. Written language
4. Math
5. Music
6. Telegraph
7. Radio
8. Television (see: http://www.rand.org/pubs/rgs_dissertations/RGSD127/sec2.html)
9. World Wide Web
In the past someone could have and hold the information needed to save someone else from a life threatening condition, and the distance between the information needed and the information supply was measured in months or years of travel time.
Now we have the ability to open source all medical information world wide, if we want to, and then a database open to all (the public) would enable each patient to connect almost instantly to the most effective cure (highest in quality and affordable in cost).
That (free market forces) works on all things within the power of people.
Money is no different than personal computers.
If it is open source, or the market is free for all competitors (not criminal competition) then the force applied will be the force of many voluntary choices seeking higher quality and lower cost.
Free market choices (Federal design compared to dictatorial/CONSOLIDATED/monopoly design) rises the tide lifting all boats.
Karen Hudes is describing that difference, despite the fact that Karen Hudes may be very wrong about many other issues.
The World Reserve Currency Power is often divided into criminal opponents seeking to gain World Reserve Currency Power and that is not an accident, that is done that way on purpose; that is the nature of that game.
That is World War III. Russia is financed and encouraged to fight Nato; and China ends up with World Reserve Currency Power as the ONE WAR DEBT COLLECTION AGENCY.
The same people show up as the "leaders of the free world" if you look for them.
1. New World Order/Illuminati
2. Jesuits
Jesuits are said to be betting on the Chinese. Jesuits are probably offering the deal to the New World Order/Illuminati, take it or suffer the consequences.
If you are not a member you are food for cannons.
You are given a ticket to the pogrom. You are invited to dinner and you are on the menu.
The solution was in the hands of the people in the form of a Federal (free market) government design between 1776 and 1787, including trial by jury in each Republic at various levels of competitive power IN OPPOSITION to Exchequer/Common Pleas/Equity/Chancellery/Admiralty-Maritime/Kangaroo "due process," which was, is, and will always be summary just us.
Are you ready to start your first case in common law?

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State of the Federation

If questions are worth the time and effort to ask, then the answers ought to be correct answers since false and misleading answers serve only those who profit from willful deception.
What is the current state of the Federation?
I ask because there is now an information (a thing that is informing people who want to know said information) offered from at least 2 sources concerning the Sun Setting on a Legal Fiction known as U.S.A. Inc., which was, is, and may no longer be a Limited Liability Corporation serving those who think they are immune to liabilities associated with any crime they may perpetrate on any number of innocent victims.
That last paragraph will fly over the heads of 90%, or more, of the people who care to read such offers of information concerning the State of the Federation.
For those who are among the people who have not fallen deep into the abyss of falsehoods surrounding the core idea of Legal Fiction Counterfeiting, or Color of Law, this is a current effort to make sense of this Sun Setting of a Legal Fiction Counterfeiting Cabal information idea.
Back in time there were people in America who cared enough to acknowledge, recognize, and employ a true Federal Government that was founded upon true Law, for their posterity there is the following information offered by someone who cared to keep the record straight, so that the light of truth shines, at least when, where, and how the light of truth can shine, and shine brightly.
Here:
http://theforgottenfounders.com/the-forgotten-fathers/thomas-mifflin/
This:
"I consider it an indispensable duty to close this last act of my official life by commending the interests of our dearest country to the protection of Almighty God, and those who have the superintendence of them to his holy keeping. Having now finished the work assigned me, I retire from the great theatre of action, and bidding an affectionate farewell to this august body, under whose orders I have so long acted, I here offer my commission, and take my leave of all the employments of public life"
The power of Military Rule (emergency conditions due to the criminal army of invaders rioting in the blood of innocent people who dared to refuse to obey criminal orders without question) ended in many ways, and that handing back power from Military Authority to Civil Authority during the working Federation is one piece of the puzzle worthy of note.
The so called government was a working federal union at that time in point of fact if not expressly written into Statutes: well.
A number of people forming a number of Republics, assembling enough people to constitute a quorum, worked as a federal government, in an organic, or grass roots, or spontaneous, and honest, and above board, and effective manner, to produce a document called The Declaration of Independence, and from that founding those people defending themselves, and defending Liberty, and the good people even defended the criminals themselves within obvious boundaries of true law .
That offer of words in that paragraph may again zoom over the heads of people sucked into the vortex of lies that cover up true law, as deception places a coat of paint, a color of law, over true law. The true law written in Matthew 7:12, also known as the Golden Rule of Law, offers redemption to all, including the criminals who are found guilty within the boundaries of error prone people, through such things as trial by jury. All are protected by true law, including the criminals, and that was the founding of the Federation that included that stepping down of the Military Dictator from his position at that time, handing back authority to what was then a working, true, organic, honest, real, effective, Federal government power.
When the war was over there was little to be done in a Federal sense as proven by the fact that there was almost no interest in working at the Federal level, by anyone then commanding true Federal Power.
Here:
http://theforgottenfounders.com/the-forgotten-fathers/richard-henry-lee/
Richard Henry Lee
6th President of the United States
in Congress Assembled
November 30, 1784 to November 23, 1785
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The institution he claimed harmed innocent Africans who he described as “fellow creatures created as ourselves and equally entitled to liberty and freedom by the great Law of Nature.”
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Federal Power is minimal when there is minimal demand for it:
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April ushered in the settlement of Massachusetts western land claim to the Northwest Territory and the debates resumed on enacting an ordinance for the vast region. Once again the states failed to achieve the necessary representation to pass legislation and Richard Henry Lee was forced to send out another Presidential appeal:
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Understanding the word and workings of a quorum hits home in a true federal sense.
How many people are ready, willing, and able to step up to the plate and return this entire continent of people back to a true employment of true law as was demonstrated during that time period between 1776 and 1787?
How many people are going to work effectively as the people employing a true Federal design of government from the city level, to the county level, to the state level, and on to the federal level?
If a quorum does not step up, a true quorum, not a cabal of fellow criminals, a true quorum, or number of people, whose interest is the public thing, or the res-publica, and true law, or legem terrae, or the law of the land, which is, in demonstrable fact, trial by jury as the means by which any fact of any law in any case is found to be a fact in that case?
Why is that a good question in this context of a Sunset Clause written into a Corporate Charter, as the criminals who constitute a Criminal Cabal create, and then dissolve, a legal fiction counterfeiting organized crime cabal under the color of law?
If no good people assemble in such a way as to found, form, and employ a true working federation, if that is the case in fact, then that lack of defensive power invites the criminals into a false version of that true lawful power commanded by good people. That is not that hard to understand.
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Those who were handling the emergency of having a large army of criminals rioting in the blood of the innocent, in times and places on this Continent, formed a working federation of independent republics and once that emergency was over those good people began to rebuild their productive economy in the ashes left behind by the retreating army of criminals.
The federation existed.
The federation worked.
Unfortunately there were traitors among us, and they were eager and ever ready to pounce upon any opportunity to regain control of the people through a device that is knowable as fraudulent extortion, or legal crime, or central banking, whichever words you want to use to label the actual facts on the ground in times and in places going back to at least the time of Jesus and his dealings with the money changers.
Legalized slavery, so called, or any name placed on the actual crime, treason, misprision, whatever works to inform the jurists in any case, so as to increase the odds in favor of effectively defending the innocent victims from the guilty criminals in any case in time and place works, if it is a word that conveys true meaning, that the word does not work conversely to convey deception.
Not this:
http://www.thekingcenter.org/sites/default/files/Assassination%20Trial%2...
That is too little too late, as the jurists should have assembled much earlier than that, in a Grand Jury, so as then to write up an information, or a presentment, or an indictment, whatever you the jurists want to call it, and the Assassins who shot the Kennedy brothers would have been found guilty of that crime, then. And then those assassins would have been singing a different tune by the time Martin Luther King Jr, worked to bring truth back to a federated people.
Not this:
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/marshal/1%20US%20Marshals%2...
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As part of the famous Compromise of 1850, Congress passed one of the most roundly hated and violently opposed laws in American history. The Fugitive Slave Act required U.S. Marshals in the north to return escaped slaves to their masters in the South. Northern abolitionists, who were intent on abolishing the institution of slavery, turned on the Marshals in a number of slave rescue cases.
But the Marshals, regardless of their personal feelings, had no choice. The Constitution itself required the free states to return fugitive slaves. The Fugitive Slave Law merely implemented that Constitutional provision. To deny the law, even a hated law, meant a denial of the Constitution itself. The Marshals enforced the law.
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Not that, but this:
Arthur Jackson Haynes, Jr
Page 804 from the Transcripts of the trial by jury for the people in the murder case of Martin Luther King Jr.
“I have considered in my thirty-five-year career a jury is the best lie detector there is.”
When the criminals take over they set aside trial by jury and that includes setting aside Grand Jury proceedings that work for the people, by the people, in bringing the worst criminals imaginable in an evil mind to his or her trial, to offer those worst criminals among us their chance at redemption within obvious boundaries associated with error prone people who will either step up to the plate, as good people, or the criminals will, in fact, take over, and they will set aside trial by jury.
How does that piece together into the Sun Setting on the False Federation, which then leaves the doors wide open for good people to step up to the plate and return this land to a land where rule by law is employed by good people so as to prevent rule by evil men and women?
The federation was always here in the hearts and minds of the people like this:
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/myl_intro.html
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As the third platoon moved into My Lai, it was followed by army photographer Ronald Haeberle, there to document what was supposed to be a significant encounter with a crack enemy battalion. Haeberle took many pictures [HAEBERLE PHOTOS]. He said he saw about thirty different GIs kill about 100 civilians. Once Haeberle focused his camera on a young child about five feet away, but before he could get his picture the kid was blown away. He angered some GIs as he tried to photograph them as they fondled the breasts of a fifteen-year-old Vietnamese girl.
An army helicopter piloted by Chief Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson arrived in the My Lai vicinity about 9 a.m. Thompson noticed dead and dying civilians all over the village. Thompson repeatedly saw young boys and girls being shot at point-blank range. Thompson, furious at what he saw, reported the wanton killings to brigade headquarters[THOMPSON'S STORY].
Meanwhile, the rampage below continued. Calley was at the drainage ditch on the eastern edge of the village, where about seventy to eighty old men, women, and children not killed on the spot had been brought. Calley ordered the dozen or so platoon members there to push the people into the ditch, and three or four GIs did. Calley ordered his men to shoot into the ditch. Some refused, others obeyed. One who followed Calley's order was Paul Meadlo, who estimated that he killed about twenty-five civilians. (Later Meadlo was seen, head in hands, crying.) Calley joined in the massacre. At one point, a two-year-old child who somehow survived the gunfire began running towards the hamlet. Calley grabbed the child, threw him back in the ditch, then shot him.
Hugh Thompson, by now almost frantic, saw bodies in the ditch, including a few people who were still alive. He landed his helicopter and told Calley to hold his men there while he evacuated the civilians. (One account reports Thompson told his helicopter crew chief to "open up on the Americans" if they fired at the civilians, but Thompson later said he did not remember having done so.) He put himself between Calley's men and the Vietnamese. When a rescue helicopter landed, Thompson had the nine civilians, including five children, flown to the nearest army hospital. Later, Thompson was to land again and rescue a baby still clinging to her dead mother.
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The criminals have hollowed out completely their criminal hold upon the good people in America. That was the message offered by Ross Perot right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls
The Giant Sucking Sound is the flow of stolen loot (capital) flowing from FUNDS tied to The Federal Reserve Crime in Progress, to the International Monetary FUND crime in progress, into arming the THIRD WORLD POWER, as the magic number is THREE, as explained by an insider named George Orwell.
http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/
The concept of corporate take-over has to have a corporation invented in order to then take it over.
NOT a true organic, spontaneous, honest, above board, accountable, because the good people are responsible (trial by jury), res-publica, whereby the people all have real names, and the people are the public thing, each and every one, without exception, not that, not a working federation as demonstrated in facts on the ground between 1776 and 1787, but instead of that real thing, there is a false, counterfeit, fraudulent, extorting thing instead of the true rule by law thing.
People do these things:
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_FDR.pdf
Financing through fraudulent extortion the build up of a very large aggressive army that will be used to create a pogrom of never before experienced hell on earth in time and place.
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/
Financing another side as more than one side is needed to really put all the stolen loot in the pot, going all in, as an investment is funneling even more power from the innocent, productive, good people, as that power flows to the ONE MONOPOLY POWER.
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/
Financing at least three sides for reasons that include a harmony of destruction as dominance of one side peaks while the other two sides are roughly one third of the way down and one third of the way up the counterfeit corporate ladder reaching for World Reserve Currency POWER.
The corporation being raided is sucked completely dry of productive power, good will, trust, earnings, productive investments, and the raided corporation goes all in, investing everything into, a war that is only good for the worst evil ever to wear a dress or a pair of pants.
The Giant Sucking Sound, as Ross Perot explained in front of God and everyone, in front of the Mass Murderers Clinton and Bush Sr., in front of all the sycophants, psychopaths, and sociopaths who all attach like parasites to the working federation as it continues to plow along despite the parasitic funneling of power from the earners to the destroyers, and that brings you, the people who care to read anything I can muster as news items, up to date.
The corporation ended.
Who is going to step up to the plate and return vitality to the true law of the land while the criminals will be at each others throats working feverishly to gain control of World Reserve Currency Power?
The least you can do is get up and go to jury duty as best as you can manage in your time in your place. Even if your level of education is woefully imperfect, as is everyone's, you can't seriously think that your method of consenting to any law, anywhere, any time, is worth nothing to me, or to your fellow Americans who depends upon whatever may be left of your moral conscience.

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As to 1 above the following evidence exists even if I am not the one pointing it out, so blaming me for pointing out this information is a separate issue entirely.

Source:
http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/topics/failure-to-appear?id=65856...

That is a message that flows through media. That is evidence of an ongoing media campaign. The message is expressed as:

"As I have pointed out, the Grand Jury clause of the US Constitution has NOT been incorporated, which means that states are free to determine in their laws and constitution how to deal with the grand jury."

Here is another example of a similar, or agreeable, or coincidently familiar, message at another source:
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/comment/2722#comment-2722

The message is offered as:

"The Fifth Amendment's right to be charged with an infamous crime only after indictment by a grand jury applies only in federal courts and is not applicable to the States, either as an element of due process or as a direct command of the Fourteenth Amendment."

A pivotal time for people in America concerning these claims is recorded in words here:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/1/35/

A second source of information that can be added to that source of information concerning these claims of what is or is not true law is here:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/1/236/

Grand Jury presentments were used by people formed into defensive associations known as states as part of a federation whereby states are independent entities formed by independent people because the people no longer believe that they are subjects subjected to rule by dictators and tyrants despite the very high cost of that decision to disconnect that connection between dictators and subjects.

In the RESPUBLICA v. CARLISLE case the date for that example of people forming a Grand Jury so as to hold someone and put someone on his trial by jury according to the common law, the federation was organically formed by people elected by some means into a Continental Congress, or federal government power, which then produced a Declaration of Independence, and a Constitution known as The Articles of Confederation. People also formed an independent Republic, or State, known as Pennsylvania, whereby those people in that State elected representatives, by some means, and those representatives created a Pennsylvania Constitution.

The date on that RESPUBLICA v. CARLISLE case is "September Sessions, 1778" and the significance of that date is significant because that date predates the Ratification of the second United States Constitution of 1787.

There was no Constitution of 1787 in Pennsylvania, or anywhere on the Planet Earth, 9 years earlier in September of 1778.

Going back then to the latest Media campaign from two sources are these words:

1.
"As I have pointed out, the Grand Jury clause of the US Constitution has NOT been incorporated, which means that states are free to determine in their laws and constitution how to deal with the grand jury."

2.
"The Fifth Amendment's right to be charged with an infamous crime only after indictment by a grand jury applies only in federal courts and is not applicable to the States, either as an element of due process or as a direct command of the Fourteenth Amendment."

Those are words written by people now as people now are running their version of a media campaign whereby there are claims being made as to what is true law and what is false law in point of fact.

Now compare first the words written by someone in 1788, in Pennsylvania, at the time when Pennsylvania had already Ratified the 1787 Constitution, however, and this is important, the time of these words offered in print is before the first session of the altered, progressive, communistic, monopolistic, criminal Congress of the incorporated United States, and therefore these words appear in print before the criminal Congress set aside trial by jury with their so called Judiciary Act of 1789.

So...compare the words offered today by people running their version of a media campaign with the words offered to people in Pennsylvania in 1788:

RESPUBLICA v. SHAFFER
1 U.S. 236 (1788)

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It is a matter well known, and well understood, that by the laws of our country, every question which affects a man's life, reputation, or property, must be tried by twelve of his peers; and that their unanimous verdict is, alone, competent to determine the fact in issue. If then, you undertake to enquire, not only upon what foundation the charge is made, but, likewise, upon what foundation it is denied, you will, in effect, usurp the jurisdiction of the Petty Jury, you will supercede the legal authority of the court, in judging of the competency and admissibility of witnesses, and, having thus undertaken to try the question, that question may be determined by a bare majority, or by a much greater number of your body, than the twelve peers prescribed by the law of the land. This point has, I believe, excited some doubts upon former occasions but those doubts have never

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arisen in the mind of any lawyer, and they may easily be removed by a proper consideration of the subject. For, the bills, or presentments, found by a grand Jury, amount to nothing more than an official accusation, in order to put the party accused upon his trial: 'till the bill is returned, there is, therefore, no charge from which he can be required to exculpate himself; and we know that many persons, against whom bills were returned, have been afterwards acquitted by a verdict of their country. Here then, is the just line of discrimination: It is the duty of the Grand Jury to enquire into the nature and probable grounds of the charge; but it is the exclusive province of the Petty Jury, to hear and determine, with the assistance, and under the direction of the court, upon points of law, whether the Defendant is, or is not guilty, on the whole evidence, for, as well as against, him. You will therefore, readily perceive, that if you examine the witnesses on both sides, you do not confine your consideration to the probable grounds of charge, but engage completely in the trial of the cause; and your return must, consequently, be tantamount to a verdict of acquital, or condemnation. But this would involve us in another difficulty; for, by the law it is declared that no man shall be twice put in jeopardy for the same offence: and, yet, it is certain that the enquiry, now proposed by the Grand Jury, would necessarily introduce the oppression of a double trial. Nor is it merely upon maxims of law, but, I think, likewise, upon principles of humanity, that this innovation should be opposed. Considering the bill as an accusation grounded entirely upon the testimony in support of the prosecution, the Petty Jury receive no biass from the sanction which the indorsement of the Grand Jury has conferred upon it. But, on the other hand, would it not, in some degree, prejudice the most upright mind against the Defendant, that on a full hearing of his defence, another tribunal had pronounced it insufficient? which would then be the natural inference from every true bill. Upon the whole, the court is of opinion, that it would be improper and illegal to examine the witnesses, on behalf of the Defendant, while the charge against him lies before the Grand Jury.
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Now again the words from another viewpoint expressed as they exist where they exist in time and place:

1.
"As I have pointed out, the Grand Jury clause of the US Constitution has NOT been incorporated, which means that states are free to determine in their laws and constitution how to deal with the grand jury."

2.
"The Fifth Amendment's right to be charged with an infamous crime only after indictment by a grand jury applies only in federal courts and is not applicable to the States, either as an element of due process or as a direct command of the Fourteenth Amendment."

Now compare those words offered above, in time and place, with the words taken from the time of 1778 and the place of Pennsylvania.

U.S. Supreme Court
RESPUBLICA v. CARLISLE, 1 U.S. 35 (1778)

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This was an indictment for High Treason, which was set forth in the following words:

'The Jurors for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, upon their oaths and affirmations, do present, That Abraham Carlisle, late of the city of Philadelphia, in the county of Philadelphia, carpenter; being an inhabitant of and belonging to and residing within the State of Pennsylvania, and under the protection of its laws, and owing allegiance to the same State, as a false traitor against the same, not having the fear of God before his eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigation of the Devil, the fidelity which to the same State he owed wholly withdrawing, and with all his might intending the peace and tranquillity of this Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to disturb, and war and rebellion against the same to raise and move, and the government and independency thereof, as by law established, to subvert, and to raise again and restore the government and tyranny of the king of Great Britain within the same Commonwealth: On the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy eight, and at divers days and times, as well before as after, at the city of Philadelphia, in the county aforesaid, with force and arms, did falsely and traiterously take a commission or commissions from the king of Great Britain, and then and there, with force and arms did falsely and treacherously also take a commission or commissions from general Sir William Howe, then and there acting under the said king of Great Britain, and under the authority of the same king, to wit, a commission to watch over and guard the gates of the city of Philadelphia, by the said Sir William Howe, erected and set up for the purpose of keeping and maintaing the possession of the said city, and of shutting and excluding the faithful and liege inhabitants and subjects of this State and of the United States from the said city: And then and there also maliciously and traiterously, with a great multitude of traitors and rebels, against the said Commonwealth, (whose names are as yet unkown to the jurors) being armed and arrayed in a hostile manner, with force and arms did falsely and traiterously assemble and join himself against this Commonwealth, and then and there, with force and arms, did falsely and traiterously, and in a warlike and hostile manner, array and

Respublica v. Carlisle 1 U.S. 35 (1778)

dispole himself against this Commonwealth; and then and there, in pursuance and execution of such his wicked and traiterous intentions and purposes aforesaid, did falsely and traiterously prepare, order, wage and levy a public and cruel war against this Commonwealth; then and there committing and perpetrating a miserable and cruel slaughter of and amongst the faithful and liege inhabitants thereof; and then and there did, with force and arms, falsely and traiterously aid and assist the king of Great Britian, being an enemy at open war against this State, by joining his armies, to wit, his army under the command of general Sir William Howe, then actually invading this State; and then and there maliciously and traiterously, (with divers other Traitors to the jurors aforesaid unknown,) with force and arms, did combine, plot and conspire to betray this State and the United States of America into the hands and power of the king of Great Britian, being a foreign enemy to this State and to the United States of America, at open war against the same; and then and there did, with force and arms, maliciously and traiterously give and send intelligence to the same enemies for that purpose, against the duty of his allegiance, against the form of the act of Assembly in such case made and provided, and against the peace and dignity of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.'
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The enemies of true law do not offer to their victims an effective means by which the victims can defend themselves against the enemies of true law, that is an absurd idea if that is your idea that you believe in your heart, your mind, and in your soul to be true.

The enemies of true law offer instead a false version of true law in the hope that you will be misdirected by that false version of true law because at that point you become your own worst enemy as you are then inspired to work harder and harder to send the surplus power you produce, including your first born children, to the enemies of true law in the vain attempt to defend yourself against them.

That was said before, so you can credit those who said that before, and you can set aside any notions of blaming me for the bad news.

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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