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 Posted: Fri May 5th, 2017 06:29 pm
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Joe Kelley

 

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By what power does an individual, or a group of individuals working cooperatively to exercise that power, nullify voluntary association in any form, including the form known as trial by jury, or trial by the country?

https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-papal-bull-annulling-magna-carta

The papal bull annulling Magna Carta
http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php?org_id=889&kb_header_id=41481

We refuse to overlook such shameless presumption which dishonours the Apostolic See, injures the king's right, shames the English nation, and endangers the crusade... on behalf of Almighty God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and by the authority of Saints Peter and Paul His apostles, [we] utterly reject and condemn this settlement. Under threat of excommunication we order that the king should not dare to observe and the barons and their associates should not insist on it being observed. The charter with all its undertakings and guarantees we declare to be null and void of all validity forever. [2]

2. Translation of the bull of Innocent III, Etsi karissimus, 24 August 1215. T.B. Costain, Conquering Family: A History of the Plantagenets, 1962, p. 60. 

NOTE here how someone might assume that someone calling themselves King John, or someone calling themselves Baron, or someone calling themselves Pope, can dictate, and enforce said dictate, anything at all, including involuntary association, which is also called slavery.

He, she, or they claim that you, you, and you, all of you, are property of he, she, or they.

If that is assumed to be true, then what else follows that assumption?

If, on the other hand, people refuse to blindly obey such dictates, and instead of blind obedience to such falsehoods, people, on their own, figure out how to maintain voluntary association in time and in place. If that is what people do, instead of blind obedience to falsehood without question, if people instead of servile obedience are people inspired to defend each other voluntarily, what would people dream up as a means to that end. If you want to reinvent the wheel, then perhaps you may do so, but there is, in the history of people, a process that worked to reach the goal of voluntary association for mutual defense. It was common knowledge, and it was called the common law.

An Essay on the Trial by Jury
Lysander Spooner
History of Magna Carta

This charter, in its most essential features, and without any abatement as to the trial by jury, has since been confirmed more than thirty times; and the people of England have always had a traditionary idea that it was of some value as a guaranty against oppression. Yet that idea has been an entire delusion, unless the jury have had the right to judge of the justice of the laws they were called on to enforce.