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 Posted: Wed May 8th, 2013 04:31 pm
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My point is, that it is only by the grace of God that I am not one of them.

"You wrote that in contradiction to what you wrote earlier, which is this:"

The answer for me is easy. I will not eat a child to save the rest. I will allow God to work justice in His way and in His timing.

It is because of the fact that by the grace of God I am not one of them that I will not eat one of my children, but will allow God to meet justice in His time. It is not a contradiction. One is dependent upon the other.

My point about pleasure/sex/addiction/murder is that when addiction occurs an increased intensity is required to acheive the same pleasure. That is why some murder during after or before sex. There is heightened sensory input (or perception) which is required to acheive pleasure which addiction occurs.

t is not the same thing as a person born without any moral compunction whatsoever, someone who will just as easily, gladly, and without restraint of any kind, torture, and murder massive numbers of people, because it feels good to them, and it feels better for them, if there is visible, palpable, terror, and misery inflicted upon the victim.

Are people born this way? Or do people become this way by choices they make or by choices that are forced upon them; i.e., children who are forced into pedophilia then might become pedophiles.

Romans 1: 21Because that, when they knewGod, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful ; but became vainin their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened . 22 Professing themselves to bewise, they became fools , 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator , who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another ; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

That passage above explains that God gives people up to do evil because they refuse to know God.

This passage explains the mechanics of the action of sin:

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived , it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

I don't do that, why would I do that, it is false.

We are a bloody society?

Show me the list of names.

What I mean is that perhaps the government of our land from sea to shining sea, and by government I mean a list of names that follow and have followed principles that achieve death thru war, because the initial government of this land from sea to shining sea, and by initial government, I mean that list of names that decided to fight the war for independence and shed blood in doing so, thus setting the arena for bloody conflict for the last 200+ years. A nation built on spilt blood continues to spill blood. I realize a nation cannot do anything, but a list of people do things. I because that list of people did so to start this country, the list of people continues to do so: shed blood.
Perhaps it is evil that we would choose our own life over anothers?
“Who is "we"?”

When someone shows up at your door to rape and pillage, will you shed blood?

I started reading the link and I found way too much falsehood to continue reading it.

Do you think this part is false? ?

The Liberties of Nonresistant Christians. Some Americans supported neither side in the Revolution. Instead, as Mennonite and German Baptist leaders said in 1775, "We have dedicated ourselves to serve all men in everything that can be helpful to the preservation of men's lives, but...we are not at liberty in conscience to take up arms to conquer our enemies, but rather to pray to God, who has power in heaven and on earth, for us and them." Chief among these nonresistant Christians were the Quakers, Mennonites, German Baptists, Moravians, and Schwenkfelders.
Most nonresistant Christians were quite content with their lot as British subjects. As three Mennonite bishops in Pennsylvania wrote in 1773, "Through God's mercy we enjoy unlimited freedom in both civil and religious matters." Ironically, once the fight for liberty started, the freedom of nonresistant Christians became sharply limited.
Militia Duty. The first issue that peace-promoting Christians faced was militia duty. After Lexington and Concord, patriot committees called all able-bodied men to join a voluntary association "to learn the art of war." The associators noticed that the nonresistant Christians did not join in the drills. They demanded laws requiring everybody to serve.
In November 1775, Mennonite and German Baptist ministers sent A Short and Sincere Declaration to the Pennsylvania assembly. They suggested an alternative to militia duty. They would donate money to help poor families left destitute because their men were off fighting. Instead Pennsylvania passed a law levying a special war tax on all non-associators. Later it said nonresistant Christians could hire substitutes or pay a fine. Most nonresistant Christians refused to do either, because as the Short and Sincere Declaration stated, they found "no freedom in giving, or doing, or assisting in anything by which men's lives are destroyed or hurt." Therefore, Patriot officials confiscated their property to pay the tax and fines.

I ask because I am wondering why I never knew that there were Baptists who refused to shed blood. I find it very interesting that “we” have been trained that “our” “patriotic duty” is to fight when “we” are called upon in order to secure “our” Freedoms. I am wondering if my and by my I mean my spiritual forefathers refused to shed blood…even in war. Maybe that is also why they were persecuted thru the middle ages…too many pacifists wouldn’t work well for those powers that be that like to make war for profit and perpetrate fraud on the good faith and credit of the people.

Am I bothering while you are trying to write?