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The concept of Rule of Law, or The Golden Rule, or Do unto other people as you would have other people do unto you, or no one is above the law, or Natural Law, or God's Law, when in agreement, takes on many forms, that become obvious, and accurately perceivable, whereby those who find these viewpoints are those who find other people to share these viewpoints.

Someone just now expressed a feeling of depression, and a question as to what to do about it.

I responded:
Sometimes I think depression is like suffering extended times when all your friends are busy, and no one has time for you and your depression. So acting happy, like putting on a show, can attract your friends to return and share the fun? Or, stare depression in the face and find nothing but your reflection in the mirror, and then try to make a friend of what you find?

What is my moment of clarity approaching the edge of epiphany?

The Golden Rule is founded upon the principle of higher standards of living and lower costs of living, or founding upon the principle of everlasting life worth living, as we who are worth living do the things we do, we affect our future selves. Our past selves did onto our present selves.

Do we share the concept of reproducing, parenting, passing on, being a part of the workings of creation?

Again, as much as my scientific brain function may want to question the validity of a Divine Creator, the evidence continues to prove the fact, leaving, perhaps, justifiable doubt focused only on the choices of words used to share the obvious estimates of accurate perceptions. 

The moment of clarity arrived at the moment I saw, once again, how the PRINCIPLE behind Rule of Law (Golden Rule) is reinforced even while I consider life alone, without any other human contact at all, ever, there remains to be the PRINCIPLE in operation, doing unto oneself in the present, that which you would have your past self do onto your present self, and do onto your future self, that which your future self could measurably appreciate your present self having done now.

The PRINCIPLE of the concept even applies to individual cells in the body, as you would have a red blood cell do that which it must do for preserving and perpetuating good life (alive and prosperous living as apposed to dying and torturous death) rather than a red blood cell turning into a cancerous, parasitic, cell, destroying all but itself, and then having no host to keep itself alive.

Going forth and multiplying does not mean, in a PRINCIPLED sense, to go forth and do unto others that which you would never do unto yourself, such as kidnapping, robbery, rape, enslavement, torture, and murder; unless, and here is how the PRINCIPLE is shown in REVERSE, unless the kidnaper, robber, rapist, slaver, torturer, and murderer WANTS to be, himself, or herself, kidnapped, robbed, raped, enslaved, tortured, and murdered, which is one way that insane people define the meaning of insanity.

So, therefore, the only time the PRINCIPLE does not work, the only time the Golden Rule does not work, is when insane people are driven to act, and in that case the PRINCIPLE is not in the inane person's willful thoughts whereby the mind of the individual is no longer functioning rationally: it is insane.



 


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Concepts become obvious at unexpected times and an example includes a realization this morning concerning the meaning of The Lesser of Two Evils.

If evil can be narrowed down to 3 things as follows, then it could be understood that the greater evil is within this area so defined by people who do evil things.

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Falsehoods aimed at innocent victims so as to injure innocent victims (presumably for the fun and profit of the criminal frauds perpetrating such things = a transfer of power from the victim to the criminal)

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Threats of violence aimed at innocent victims so as to injure innocent victims (presumably for the fun and profit of the criminal frauds perpetrating such things = a transfer of power from the victim to the criminal)

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Violence upon innocent people (presumably for the fun and profit of the criminal frauds perpetrating such things = a transfer of power from the victim to the criminal)

Having the concept of crime enumerated principally in three categories above the realization of what constitutes a lesser of two evils can be that lesser evil that is forced upon the innocent in defense of the innocent whereby the innocent are forced into situations where a lie, or a threat, or violence becomes the last possible defense against criminals.

The concept of Rule of Law, contrary to popular belief (falsehood?) is not the lesser of two evils, rather the concept of Rule of Law (also knowable as consent of the governed or Voluntary Association) is to avoid evil altogether.


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The concept of PEERS has a direct relationship, in my opinion, to the concept of Surplus Wealth.

There may be great difficulty in this present effort by me to convey how the gap is filled in between the concept of PEERS (as in a jury of your peers) and the concept of Surplus Wealth, because much of my understanding is foreign to most people, but not foreign to people like Josiah Warren who wrote Equitable Commerce.

I can try to convey the information in a manner that can be understood by anyone having an interest in doing so.

It can be understood that babies cannot be among the group of peers.

Why?

If the accurate reason why babies can't be among the group of peers is the reasoning that babies are dependent not independent, then that understanding can help in bridging the gap between PEERS and Surplus Wealth.

It can be understood that criminals who actively refuse to obey common law (based upon Natural Law and/or God's Law) cannot be among the group of peers.

If the accurate reason can be understood to be the same reason, whereby criminals are dependent upon surviving by stealing from those who have things worth stealing, then that understanding can also help.

It can be understood that insane people cannot be among the group of peers.

Again dependency, or lack of a command of whatever power must be commanded for a member of the peers to be independent is required.

What is a measure of independence, and therefore a measure of not being dependent?

If it can be understood that a measure of independence is the capacity to produce more of the life sustaining things over and above the consumption of the life sustaining things, then the individual, independent, power to survive alone (if necessary) is proven as a fact of nature, and a measure of capacity to be a member of the peers.

An independent person does not NEED (have an interest in) feeding off of other people as a dependent would be so constituted, or inclined by Nature (the survival instinct), such as a baby needing nourishing parents or a reasonable facsimile, an insane person, or a criminal having no other skills (or inclination) to do anything other than crime (destruction NOT production).

NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST AMONG PEERS

The measure of production that is left over after consumption is what it is, it is what it is, in each individual case where an individual, working alone, produces more than the individual consumes, and a term for that amount of production above consumption is Surplus Wealth.

Who owns Surplus Wealth when an individual works alone, and there is no contact whatsoever with any other individual anywhere?

Who controls the entire sum of Surplus Wealth, or a FUND of Surplus Wealth, when there is only one human being alive on the planet, or when an individual is completely separate from anyone else?

Naturally, as a matter of fact, the obvious answer is that the individual, with the exception of Natural forces such as drought, or flood, controls the use, or the abuse, of the FUND that is made up of the Surplus Wealth produced by that individual alone.

That would be a PEER measured by another PEER. That would be a targeted victim measured by a criminal.

The PEER is measured by the fact that the PEER is not dependent, and instead of being dependent the PEER is measurably independent, as the PEER is fully capable of survival alone without any measure of help or hindrance by any other human being anywhere.

If there is no injury (hindrance) by anyone upon anyone else, ever, then there is no such thing as man made law whereby man made law is something invented by man so as to defend against criminal men (or women).

The problem is not babies, or dependents, or old people, nor is the problem the mere fact that some people go insane.

The problem is that some people target other people and consume other people as a profession, a way of life, and then the problem becomes hell on earth when insane people counterfeit government, and the insane people take over the FUND, and the insane people dictate how the FUND is consumed as each individual producer adds to the FUND.

The PROBLEM is such that the insane people use the FUND to consume those people who add to the FUND, and therefore the PROBLEM is literally a form a cannibalism.

So who, if any one can, will be able to address, and overcome, the PROBLEM, as the insane people among us have taken over the power of (defensive) government and they are now consuming all the people who actually constitute the measure of that FUND?

The PEERS fill up the FUND, while the criminals consume the FUND in the work required to make slaves of all the PEERS.

Who can defend Liberty?

The obvious answer to who can overcome the Dictatorial Powers (using power stolen to steal ever more power) is the same people who actually use power to make more power out of less power, or, in other words, the only people that can defend Liberty (overpower the Dictatorial Powers or Legal Criminals) are those PEERS.

As soon as one of the PEERS reaches for unearned income (taking from the FUND and not giving up anything into the FUND and doing so by deception, threat of aggressive violence, or violence: known as crime) is the moment one of the PEERS volunteers to step into criminal shoes, and by that measure, is no longer a PEER.

The FUND can be merely an abstract understanding that there are many PEERS and each one has an individual FUND under their exclusive control, and the total number of FUNDS controlled by the total number of PEERS happens to be the total POWER commanded by that number of PEERS in that place on Earth.

Are we in a place on Earth that is constituted of Criminals with Badges who control every red cent of Surplus Wealth produced by the slaves?

Or are we PEERS who understand the necessity of adding to the FUND that is constituted by our surplus wealth that we produce and that we do not allow criminals to gain control over, so as to ensure that IT, our Surplus Wealth, and our POWER, is not used UPON US, or AGAINST US, to Enslave us?

Common Sense?

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.
No, unfortunately, the FUND is being spent on making damn sure that the slaves remain slaves, and therefore the slaves, almost to the man, and almost to the woman, are under a spell whereby almost every one of them BELIEVE that Federal Reserve Notes is the only way to measure THE FUND.

If the slaves don't figure it out soon, they will soon know that the Legal Criminals who produce Federal Reserve Notes are going out of business and the new BELIEF in the new FRAUD made Legal will be the same Money Monopoly Power with a different name, and a different color on the money.

So the PEERS ought to figure it out before it is too late.

Does one PEER ever demand from another PEER a measure of tribute?

Hey you, I order you to pay me tribute, and you must do so, and you cannot question the payment?

How far from Liberty?

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
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Public versus Private

Private is everything used by an individual from the entire number of things that can be used (Public) whereby the use of the thing is not outside the concept of government by consent (Golden Rule, no one above the law, no exceptions to no on being above the law, rule by agreement, rule by consent, so on and so fort) in particular cases where there is willful use of a thing so as to cause injury to someone (obviously outside the Golden Rule because the person initiating the use of something so as to willfully cause injury to someone else can save themselves time and energy by causing injury to him or her self instead of spreading around the "joy" if that injury to other people is what the aggressor wants done to him or her self, then why do to others when doing to self is in agreement with him or her self, and doing onto other people who DON'T want to be injured is disagreement).

Public is EVERYTHING not currently being used by someone whereby the use of the thing is not outside Universal Law, Natural Law, God's Law, common law, Golden Rule, government by consent.

Also:

Government by consent is Natural in many ways.

Things that are in agreement are things that produce things that are in agreement.

Things that are in disagreement are things that produce things that are in disagreement.

Possible illustration may be genetics.

However a very easy to understand illustration has to do with deception and aggressive violence.

2 people meet

1 is, or both are, intending to willfully lie so as to cover up a will act of violence upon the other person.

1 is, or both are, intending to willfully speak No lies, so as NOT to cover up any willful acts of violence upon the other person, and 1 is, or both are, NOT intending to harm one another.

That is not counting a world of possible intentions in between willful intent to harm and willful intent to do no harm to each other.

If both people intent to harm each other meet, then those two are in agreement to harm each other, but the agreement is destruction, the agreement is controversy, so the concept of agreement is itself a form of deception. Look internally for deception.

If both people intend to do no harm, then that defines agreement because the result of such an agreement plays out in time.

If both people (or any number of people) are willfully choosing argument, disagreement, controversy, antagonism, lies, threats, aggressive violence, then that proves to be the case, in each case.

If one agrees to be enslaved, on the other hand, there are complications.

So...

Two people meet.

Both are Criminals (each at each other's throat willfully intending to "do unto other's as you would NOT have them do unto you)

Both are willfully NOT Criminals (each intends to do unto each other as they would have the other do unto them = no lies, and no aggressive violence)

One is Criminal and one is Not Criminal

There are other ways to illustrate the complications, however the obvious measure of which "game plan" produces and which "game plan" destroys becomes obvious in time.

Prisoner's Dilemma Applet

The spatial variant of the iterated prisoner's dilemma is a simple yet powerful model for the problem of cooperation versus conflict in groups. The applet below demonstrates the spread of 'altruism' and 'exploitation for personal gain' in an interacting population of individuals learning from each other by experience. Initially the population consists of cooperators and a certain amount of defectors (a fraction represented by p). The advantage of defection is determined by the the value of b in the 'payoff matrix' (see below) which is used to calculate the payoff after each round for each 'player' on the basis of its strategy. For the next round a player determines its new strategy by selecting the most favourable strategy from itself and its direct neighbours.
Blowing the Whistle on the Defectors

Time 19:00

...very accurate Stakeholder Analysis...predicting...rule of law...if...

Stakeholder Analysis?

The model developed by Jacek Kugler is 90 to 95% accurate. (7) There are actually two models that I am relying upon. The published version is: “The War Presidency: Options Taken and Lost.” (8) This analysis holds that what the United States did in the Iraq war may have made some sense in the context of the regional problems, but it was absolutely suicide for the US to fly in the face of its major allies. If the corruption in the United States continues to jeopardize the US’ relationship with the NATO countries, (which we are now seeing in the refusal of the United States to comply with Germany’s request for repatriation of its gold), China would come way up very, very fast, but via a currency war that will force trade back to a barter system and disrupt the world economy on a scale that will make the great depression of the 1930′s and the recent world depression in 2008 pale by comparison.
Note: One man's "suicide" is another man's "paradise" = World Wars are not accidents, they are tools used by those who use those tools to maintain their POWER (their measures of "profit").

The War Presidency: Structural and Strategic Consequences of US Foreign Policy

Utah, Virginia, North Dakota, alternative currencies backed by Gold.

This is not news.

Point: Government by consent is "public" (for everyone to use so long as the use of it does not go beyond rule of law, universal agreement, by the user) not "private" (exclusive use of a thing, so long as the use of it does not go beyond rule of law, universal agreement, by the user).

Who can use the government (public)?

Everyone

Consent of the government means government by universal agreement.

Why?

Lies are only "agreements" when a liar can convince a victim that the lie is believable. The liar knows the lie is a lie, and if two liars are in "agreement" to use a lie upon a victim, there is then someone, a target, that is coerced by lies, or coerced by threats, or coerced by aggressive violence, to be made to "believe" the lie; therefore it is demonstrated to be outside Universal Law because the Criminals "agree" to create disagreement UPON the targeted victim.





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Joe,
I really enjoyed this post and noted the date as well. Certainly I am going with Moment of Clarity but am leaning more towards true epiphany as I had never considered The Golden Rule as applied only with myself, no other human contact considered. Excellent! I can benefit from an epiphany which occurred to someone ELSE! Wonderful, seriously.
So, I have to ask, as much as I take your clarity as a view I will move on going forward, do you still feel as strongly as you did that day almost 9 years ago?
It will be a momentous day when all 3,142 counties are constituted. I really believe that before that day, we will have saved this country from itself and the prevailing apathy that surrounds us now. What odd power has this nation so blinded, so opposed to remedial action(s)?
I look forward to your response....

Thanks Sir,

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Rick,

The date of Sun Nov 20th, 2005 is the date I started this Forum.

The date of this specific idea of seeing present me relevant to past and future me, which is a competitive (relative) viewpoint, and applying that to The Golden Rule, was the Posted date of Sun Oct 6th, 2013 10:06 am.

The reason why this qualifies as an epiphany (as far as my viewpoint is concerned) is the use of this idea to remove causes for argumentation as one viewpoint may content with another viewpoint as so often happens between one individual and another individual in time and place.

In other words, if two people are going to argue, then all the reasons in the world can be found independently to do so, because two people are not the same - ever.

Why argue with yourself?

What would be the point?

That whole process, the dynamics of it, the realization of that idea, would not have been possible, or at least much less likely, had I not found and read Equitable Commerce by Josiah Warren.

http://www.anarchiwum.bzzz.net/yak/equitable%20commerce.pdf

Individuality is accurately measurable as an unbreakable principle?

So your question:

So, I have to ask, as much as I take your clarity as a view I will move on going forward, do you still feel as strongly as you did that day almost 9 years ago?
More so, by a wide margin.

Now my life is a constant engine of perceiving the problem as it exists and looking at it from a new perspective, and then finding the words to describe that dynamic process.

Persistent work forms patterns of behavior?

The reason I produce this web page has to do with my work having been willfully removed from other web pages on a long list of web pages whereby my viewpoint was worthy of censorship for reasons that were stated in the form of lies, or for reasons  that were otherwise kept secret.

Some of those experiences are recorded here on this web page.

No one stands toe to toe with me in any discussion of principles, for long, with very few exceptions. One person has, and from that experience a book was written, and printed. I have 100 copies minus the few I've already sold or given away (investments).

You are welcome, encouraged, please, test my viewpoint.

We can write a book. I know I can; with generous help, because an example book now exists.

There is no way one of us, any one of us, can credit ourselves for anything, let alone everything, so who deserves the credit?

How about this:

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=2182&layout=html#chapter_202933

The ancient maxim makes the sum of a man’s legal duty to his fellow men to be simply this: “To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give to every one his due.

This entire maxim is really expressed in the single words, to live honestly; since to live honestly is to hurt no one, and give to every one his due.

This is not unrelated information. What do Central Bankers do? The term "Central Banker" clouds the true, accurate, measure of the actual criminals. They, the criminals, convince their targeted victims in believing that they, the criminals, deserve to command the power to spend every accurate measure of surplus wealth produced by anyone who actually creates that POWER TO PURCHASE.

How much does it cost to anyone if anyone is led to believe that Credit is not Credit, whereby instead of Credit being Credit, the opposite is true, whereby Credit is Debt?

Good is Bad?

I can sympathize with my past self, having once held a belief in such lies, and I can see me arguing with my present self, claiming that my present self is fabricating lies, or that my present self is misinformed, or that my present self is misled.

Is it a good idea to consider the real possibility that my future self can say the same things to my present self?

Should I look for someone else who is far ahead of me at this time, in this place?

Might it be a good idea for me to not only listen to you but to do so with a focused intent upon realizing your point of view as you intend for me to know your point of view without me creating false versions of your point of view in the dynamic process that can be called discussion?

Will I be able to point out where your point of view, as I see it, is in some measurable way a false viewpoint?

Will you be able to correct me if I offer critical analysis of what appears to me as a false viewpoint you share with me - and I am wrong, demonstrably wrong?

Persistence in seeking my own error works toward reaching a goal?

The dynamic process is due everyone without exception, and the goal is Liberating for those who share it?

How about a saying that might serve to illustrate the point offered?

Pearls to swine?

I'm a pig, but at least I know it?

Finding the giants worthy of credit, those who offer pearls to swine, are not what they may appear to be, they are merely helpers who pass on the pearls of wisdom, not taking credit, merely transferring the data from the source, which may or may not be the same Creator seen by each individual in each place at each time?

You want help, like me, then we can compare notes, and I do not demand any credit, far from it, I'm just another piggish messenger boy.

Thanks for the opportunity to borrow your viewpoint, it is reinforcing, it helps, and it is not an obvious demonstration of more of the same criminal intent offered by so many other people as they either mimic, parrot, obey, and preserve falsehoods, jealously, or they are in fact the evil minded liars that invent new and improved lies, earning the credit they deserve as dangers to happy life for us and our posterity.

Eventually my ability to offer words will reach a point of diminishing returns, I'll grow feeble minded, who knows, perhaps Al's Hammer sets in. Meanwhile I appreciate the help reaching for Liberty.

Who doesn't?







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Joe,
I look forward to any rebuttal and remain confident I can overcome any objections/corrections you might make.

Please, there is value for both of us in a good debate.

Let's have at it!

Respectfully,

Rick Ash

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Possible opening titles can be tailor fit to any Public Access Forum.

If we are to serve the purpose of effective defense of posterity, innocence, and Liberty, including our own defense, then the Forum for that discussion/debate could be our National Liberty Alliance Forum in the National section.

I can open a Topic right after writing this on that Medium of Exchange called National Liberty Alliance National Forum.

Why?

I can use that title.

Why does common law grand jury due process work to solve the criminal government problem?

I think another good Discussion/Debate can e run simultaneously in the North Carolina National Liberty Alliance Forum having to do with Federal Reserve Note usage BEING a crime perpetrated by the victims as well as the criminals because the victims are aiding and abetting, lending moral and material support to, the criminals. Receiving stolen property. Doug is already working on that Topic, but it stalls. It does not gain currency. I can add a response to that topic in that Forum after I write this in this Topic.

I need help in the California National Liberty Alliance Forum on the subject of using the Forum as a means of gaining currency, so as to further that cause in California. When I went to the Constituting Meeting which Constituted 3 common law grand juries in 3 California Counties I asked everyone to please use the Forum to help other people know our experiences and learn from them. If I cannot get anyone to do so, then I'm not much of a leader in anything, let alone the effective defense of Liberty against criminals who took over government POWER.

I now run a weekly Blogtalk that will probably move to the Free Conference Call Medium of Exchange next week. This week it will be Blogtalk Fight Night at 2:00 pm PST.

Fight Night

I have yet to figure out how to take calls, and this will probably be my last attempt to figure out how to use that Medium of Exchange.

Conference Calling

That may or may not work out to replace Blogtalk

Here on this forum I will start a new Topic Specifically geared toward seeking any references in Scripture having to do with aiding and abetting criminals, as such a Topic could reach a worthy goal. You are invited to any of those Mediums of Exchange as a fellow friend of Liberty.

I can edit this after I start those topics.

1.
National Liberty Alliance National Forum
Why?
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/why

2.
National Liberty Alliance North Carolina Forum
Aiding and Abetting
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/does-frn-usage-undermine-grand-jury#comment-516

3.
National Liberty Alliance California Forum
Use these Forums Please
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/common-plea

4.
NLA General Discussion (Power Independence)
The Power of Scripture
Aiding and Abetting Criminals
http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=1102&forum_id=24


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Joe,
I really enjoyed this post and noted the date as well. Certainly I am going with Moment of Clarity but am leaning more towards true epiphany as I had never considered The Golden Rule as applied only with myself, no other human contact considered. Excellent! I can benefit from an epiphany which occurred to someone ELSE! Wonderful, seriously.
So, I have to ask, as much as I take your clarity as a view I will move on going forward, do you still feel as strongly as you did that day almost 9 years ago?
It will be a momentous day when all 3,142 counties are constituted. I really believe that before that day, we will have saved this country from itself and the prevailing apathy that surrounds us now. What odd power has this nation so blinded, so opposed to remedial action(s)?
I look forward to your response....

Thanks Sir,

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"So, I have to ask, as much as I take your clarity as a view I will move on going forward, do you still feel as strongly as you did that day almost 9 years ago?"

I try to leave my feelings out and concentrate on merely communicating the facts that matter. If the subject matter remains to be a concern for survival of life (defense of liberty), then I am merely a node on the network. That avoids the often repeated Character Assassination routine.

People against free will, moral conscience, freedom, liberty, and the rising tide that lifts all boats (creative, adaptive, economic productivity), will shoot the messengers rather than deal with the messages.

The message is repeated in almost every form of data I find on the subject, add that consistency to basic logic and reason, and the message (voluntary association for mutual defense and other benefits) become clearer not less clear over time.

So...

"...do you still feel as strongly as you did that day almost 9 years ago?"

Yes, I feel as strongly, and I do so because the data continues to be conclusive as I discover even more positive data, and as I cannot yet find logical, reasonable, data that contradicts the message of liberty through the true law power which is the law of the land, the common law, with independent grand juries and independent trial juries.

2 very good finds are:

The Conviction Factory by Roger Roots

and

Conceived in Liberty by Murray Rothbard


Those are treasures, and there are more.

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