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 Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 06:08 pm
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Sergey,


So let's say my ancestor made the right choice to spare parasites. Can you spin logical chain of events that can even remotely justify it?
I was listening intently up to that point at which the message I received, which is probably not the message intended, but none-the-less the message I received was such that you prejudge me to a point where I don't exist, so what is the point of me responding, since you already have any answers I may offer?

Early execution of those parasites would have given their souls another chance.
I prefer, myself, me, not your version of me, to avoid "spinning" things, and of course the word may already be spun to a point of willful deception, by who?

For what?

How?

If there is a case of an execution worthy of note, one could be demonstrated as such, so I can know what you know, without having too much depending upon my imagination.


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 Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 06:18 pm
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Joe,

Is your imagination not real? Or not worthy?

I take it I was wrong to think that you researched certain things that I mentioned then. In that case there is even more reason to pretend that I didn't say anything. Those are kinda things that are not taught directly, but found out on your own. It would be disrespectful to you and probably even detrimental If I went on to state them just like that. And I suppose pure logic would be too vague for you to consider on HOW and WHY?

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Sergey,

I've read the following book which I think pertains to this subject matter, and again that is me speaking to you, not me being created by you.

The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness

I do not know the specific situation described in your words, as events occurred, and as thoughts and actions resulted in so much human destruction, but I want to know the specifics in any case; hence my insistence upon specifics.

Who?

When?

Where?

Why?

I prefer not to get misdirected.

I  prefer to be directed well.




 

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Wouldn't it be funny if I turned out to be the part of your soul speaking to you things that you (your soul) knows but your consciousness just didn't remember yet? That would be me created by you and you created by me at the same time.

I am thou and thou art I, eh? Heheheh, this makes me laugh.


On a serious note - talking about specifics about my ancestors requires going through a stockpile of materials including linguistic ones on which you probably won't have 'time' or patience. And I probably have better things to do than teach you those. One can always do all this on his own provided there is dedication and desire. Otherwise you can ignore what I say for the lack of 'easily demonstrable'  'facts'.

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Sergey, you crack me up:

I'm not placing duct tape. If you recall, I told that I only won't be responding to religious zealotry, nothing stops you from venting it if it's required for whatever purpose.

To that I say, you may not respond to any religious zealotry, but that sure doesn't stop you from responding with religious zealotry such as:

P.S. We are created by God in his image, which proves him to be either a terrible architect or a paranoid schizophrenic. Everyone is inherently sinful, yet Jesus paid for everyone's sins. Everyone is blamed for his inherent sinfulness, even though it is in fact ultimately God's fault. At the same time every creation man does is credited to God. What a funny way of slavery. Rothschild managers should be jealous of this governing genius. Oh, wait, their predecessors were his lackeys, so that's where the profession originated... No amount of gospeling can convince me that 'almighty' being ended up making things so obscure and ultimately inefficient, and then refuses to clean up its own mess.

Actually, your words to me were

Done with this topic.

So why bring it up?

You also said

It means that I won't start conversations on such topics.

So why begin a conversation on the topic that you don't want anyone, especially me, to talk about?

I have no need to vent, Sergey.

I have a need learn and to share. I share my thoughts, my impressions, and my conclussions.

I share them in such a way that I accept a like exchange of information with a person. I accept these exchanges because I like to learn. But just because I share something or something is shared in return, it does not mean that either party has to change their way of thinking. It just means that both parties are willing to exchange information to know from another perspective.

My perspective comes from my life experience. When a person asks me not to say such things to them - as in drop the topic- I try to abide by those wishes.

Thus I perceive, whether the perception is true or not, that there is duct tape over my mouth concerning a certain topic when talking to Sergey, so it surprises me that once again when bear is speaking with Josf and that topic is part of the conversation, that Sergey will once again make himself part of a certain topic that he does not want to be a part of...from my perception. That topic is part of WHO I AM as a person and when the topic is disparaged, it disparages me.

I like to blab too, you know, and I found that Josf will listen to my blabbing and help me sort thru it. He knows that I know that I don't know everything. So we share competitive viewpoints. He helps me see better and in some ways I might have little offerings for him that he can manage to find even if my simpleness is a handicap.

Anyways, I have found that you are quite capable of deleting things you want deleted without asking someone else to do it for you.

So, that says to me. Hey bear, Look what I have to say about this T O P I C that I want to drop and that I will not start conversations on....here bear, here bear, here is some honey...laced with poison. And that is my perception.

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BEAR,

To that I say, you may not respond to any religious zealotry, but that sure doesn't stop you from responding with religious zealotry such as:

It wasn't 'responding' because:

>>> until the quoting in the very end it was just thinking aloud. <<<

So why begin a conversation on the topic that you don't want anyone, especially me, to talk about?

I didn't, because:

>>> until the quoting in the very end it was just thinking aloud. <<<

Anyways, I have found that you are quite capable of deleting things you want deleted without asking someone else to do it for you.

True, but for that I have to be in fey enough mood to ignore common decency.

So, that says to me. Hey bear, Look what I have to say about this T O P I C that I want to drop and that I will not start conversations on....here bear, here bear, here is some honey...laced with poison. And that is my perception.

Well, admittedly, not every bear likes honey. Have some raspberries, that is what every Russian bear loves. You know these supposed medieval habit to write post scriptums with invisible inks? Sadly, raspberry juice won't suffice for that. Maybe bear was lucky and caught some fresh salmon so his breath is questionable, bu can you deny the bear breathing? Oh, wait, everyone can. And besides, actual bears are cowards except one circumstance. After all - Dei judicium fiat justitia, right? Now let me get back to polishing turds...

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Sergey, You are so funny.

ohhhhh so thinking out loud is now permissable on the T O P I C. I get it. As long as it is in a P.S. I can say whatever I want...because it is only thinking out loud.

And now you disparage me by calling me a coward? and saying you need to get back to work?

Absentia ejus qui reipublicae causa abest, neque ei, neque alii damnosa esse debet.

Which makes me think that you are likening talking to me to polishing turds. Is that what you mean, Sergey?

What are you up to my Russian friend?

I think if you handed me Raspberries they might also be laced with poison. I kinda think you don't care much for me since your afterthoughts that you take the time to type out for all to see contain just that.

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Joe, in regards to:

Then Person B asks a question, such as "Isn't it a nice day"?

Note: Where do I put the question mark relative to the quotation mark?


http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/03/
Place a question mark or exclamation point within closing quotation marks if the punctuation applies to the quotation itself. Place the punctuation outside the closing quotation marks if the punctuation applies to the whole sentence.

Phillip asked, "Do you need this book?"

Does Dr. Lim always say to her students, "You must work harder"?


So it would be written: ..."Isn't it a nice day?"
because the context of the complete sentence is a question.

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BEAR,

I think if you handed me Raspberries they might also be laced with poison

You know that 10 drops of typical medical 3% hydrogen peroxide in 1 liter of water purifies it from bacteria quite nicely? But it's a definite poison for these bacteria. So think about it on your own volition. You're not crying this time. And that's progress.


Absentia ejus qui reipublicae causa abest, neque ei, neque alii damnosa esse debet.

Si non credideritis non permanebitis?

Whatever.

Eventually everything will be understood. Our only hope to see it through though is not to fall prey to parasites before we are strong enough to defeat them. Things we do every day, no matter the age, affect soul's progress on this way. It would be annoying to carry a baggage of falsehoods onto the next incarnation. Or to accumulate so much that there is not enough energy to get through parasites onto that incarnation.

I kinda think you don't care much for me since your afterthoughts that you take the time to type out for all to see contain just that.

What am I - masochist? If I didn't care I wouldn't write any sticky traps at all. But away with this for now.

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Sergey,

Si non credideritis non permanebitis?

Whatever.

Eventually everything will be understood. Our only hope to see it through though is not to fall prey to parasites before we are strong enough to defeat them. Things we do every day, no matter the age, affect soul's progress on this way. It would be annoying to carry a baggage of falsehoods onto the next incarnation. Or to accumulate so much that there is not enough energy to get through parasites onto that incarnation.


If I don't believe, I will not continue? Get rid of the parasites so there is enough energy to get to the next incarnation. hmmm

This is reminding me of a talk that I have recently stumbled upon. It seems that I heard someone saying that this world will need to shed the parasitic Christian which holds back incarnation from fully enveloping and illuminating society. Doing this extermination thru violence is acceptable since the end goal is the new incarnation of the people of the world. A Quantum Leap; A new illumination?

Is this what you are speaking to me about?

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That is a wrong translation. But anyway.

No, that is not what I'm speaking of. In fact I've never heard of that.

Get rid of the parasites so there is enough energy to get to the next incarnation. hmmm

How about "don't feed the parasites", that work too.

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Sergey, I picked that translation because I do not know Latin.

That is a wrong translation.

http://www.latinvulgate.com/verse.aspx?t=0&b=27&c=7

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9. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is the son of Romelia. If you will not believe, you shall not continue.

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et caput Ephraim Samaria et caput Samariae filius Romeliae si non credideritis non permanebitis

Are you saying I am a parasite? Or are you saying that the T O P I C I choose is parasitic?

Please, if you do not want to speak of the T O P I C with me, do not leave sticky traps. I am always ready to speak of the T O P I C . And I find no trap in your words about the T O P I C. I find you are in error and I would like to remove you from the trap you have found yourself in, because I care about you my Russian Friend.

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As I said - everything will be understood eventually. But to alleviate your concerns - I'm in no trap, I'm free from anything and everything, save conscience, which is only a manifestation of my entity.

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Thoughts On Intensity

I could start a new topic, but I want to try to bridge the gap between 3 diverse (was 4 but I think Mike became very busy with other things) perspectives and a possible common goal.

The subject of intensity was added to the work done by Josiah Warren in his Equitable Commerce experiments and that addition was supplied by both Josiah Warren and Steven Pearl Andrews, as critical review was focused, intensely upon that work. The critique concerned relative estimates of value negotiated between people who share value, factoring in time, and factoring in repugnance, and so the addition was to factor into the concept an additional qualification: that being intensity.

I connected the concepts (or perspectives) of NEED, WANT, WORK, and PLAY, into the concepts of WILLFUL INTENSITY and PASSIVE OBEDIENCE.

So the bridge here is to say that I really think it is a desire of mine to read the exchanges between Sergey and bear, which I do intensely, as a form of play, since the concept of want overpowers the concept of need, even if I really do, desperately, need to know which parts of Sergey's perspective are necessary for me, and which pars of bear's perspective are necessary for me, as my want of knowing better overpowers my need to know better in this case.

As for the apparent claim that I require quick and easy ways to learn things, otherwise I won't learn things, as if it is not worth the trouble to gain knowledge, as far as I am concerned, well, that may be true, relatively speaking, but at least I know that perception exists; with our without qualification.

Otherwise you can ignore what I say for the lack of 'easily demonstrable' 'facts'.
I can do many things. Today, for example, the want of expressing my soul through music is powerful. I may get the opportunity to pick up my guitar and turn up the volume.




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I can do many things. Today, for example, the want of expressing my soul through music is powerful. I may get the opportunity to pick up my guitar and turn up the volume.


That immediately brought to mind these lyrics (not sure why, probably because of words 'soul' and 'music'):

Bella figlia dell'amore,
schiavo son de'vezzi tuoi;
con un detto, un detto sol tu puoi
le mie pene, le mie pene consolar.
Vieni e senti del mio core
il frequente palpitar.
Con un detto, un detto sol tu puoi
le mie pene, le mie pene consolar.

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So Joe, You are not going to send us to our own rooms again? So the bridge here is to say that I really think it is a desire of mine to read the exchanges between Sergey and bear, which I do intensely, as a form of play lol :)

Of course I am wondering as I read, and I have read 2-3 times. Do you need to know Sergey's perspective and have want to know mine? Want and need. Seems to me those words were one in the same in George Washington's day.

Sergey,
What does conscience refer to, and how do you know that it is not a parasite to your entity? Perhaps that conscience that tells you all you want to know is lying to you? How will you ever know before it is too late?

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Sergey,
What does conscience refer to?


It's a word that dictionary presents when I'm trying to find closest match to Russian word 'совесть'. You might think of it as a part of one's entity, manifested as something that pushes person to do the right thing to develop the entity, and nags the person's consciousness when wrong choices are made. 'Совесть' can be etymologically dissected as following:
'со' and 'весть' ('ве' and 'несть'). 'Со' as prefix of sorts means something going according to something else, following its design. 'Ве' is an ancient Slavic rune that means process of acquiring knowledge. 'Несть' means bringing or carrying. So you probably can combine these meanings together. Not sure if that can be thought of as 'conscience', but oh well...

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Sergey, shall we entertain Joe? A bear and a Russian? I am a coward. You have pulled all of my teath so that I cannot bite.

I think I understand the concept of conscience except for the learning part. I do not know exactly what that part means. Can you give me more words for that part?

Can one violate their conscience?

I went back and read what you and Joe had to say to each other because he seems so interested in seeing what we have to say to each other.

Sergey, I do think you think that I have a parasite attached to my soul and that I am a grievous blight upon humanity because that parasite now has the use of a human mind.

And that you think it is proper to release my soul from this parasitic condition thru execution so that I might have a chance for a restart. Am I understanding your words correctly?

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I want, as in play, to know both your's and Sergey's perspectives, so I can have more information, as my own internal sources are very limited.

I need to know what I need to know, and one word for what I need to know can be the truth, or there can be two English words used to convey (honestly) that which I need to know, and those two words can be, in English, accurate information.

I don't want to run as fast as I can to make my life, and everyone else who is affected by me, as miserable as it can possibly be made, as fast as it can possibly be made miserable.

I want to go the other way.

If I need to die soon, and I need to make my death as painful as it can be, the most painful life left, and the soonest death possible, which may be a contradiction worth study, then I don't know this fact.

If I need to live longer, and I need to live as well as I can possibly live, then I am correct in claiming that that is what I want, and I am accurate in communicating to you that that is what I want, precisely as I say that is what I want, with those words in English.

When you and Sergey do what it is you do with this medium of exchange, as you connect to each other with this connection, I read with intense interest, and my estimate of my connection to that which is your connection to Sergey, is a estimate of enjoyment, of play, of being entertained, of being worth the effort to avoid doing other things, and instead of doing other things that I want to do, or need to do, or are fooled by other people into a false belief in needing, or wanting, in any case, is set aside willfully, knowingly, gladly, and high on the list of priority - if that means anything to you - which to me is something we share.

I don't want to obey the orders that work to cause me misery and death.

I want to invent, produce, and maintain connections to people who prefer to invent, produce, and maintain better ways to live better, and even better than that, and longer, and even longer than that, including the concept of giving life to new born beings, and then responding with the ability to make their lives better, and longer, and so on, and so forth.

What is that Bible scripture I may be looking for; having to do with going forth?


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In the beginning:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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after the flood:

Genesis 9:1 KJV
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

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In Christ:
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Being fruitful in Christ:

Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let usnot be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Joe, did I answer your question?

I have listened to 2 of Bill Coopers (guy that was interviewing Linda Thompson) talks on Mystery Babylon. I have found interesting.

This one and the one after: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11nYiiUyq7E&list=PLF05201F9DA35C234 . It is something to listen to, not watch.

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