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OK.

Makes sense to me.

I don't HAVE, as in possession, a need to disbelieve that God can sacrifice his only begotten son for me and my sins, while currently I see no such thing even being possible.

Would you be jealous if Jesus has a private conversation with me, before he pencils you in on his busy schedule?

Not me, but I'm not the type to slam the door in HIS face either. I want to know the truth, from any messenger.

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“And also Luke 8:12 KJV Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

And in that verse the devil take the word so that they cannot believe.”

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The line above "And also..." has a line that is supposed to be below it. That line appears on the top of page 10. I can take out the lines, or I can take out some Text to move the line.

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OK. Makes sense to me.

I don't HAVE, as in possession, a need to disbelieve that God can sacrifice his only begotten son for me and my sins, while currently I see no such thing even being possible.

Would you be jealous if Jesus has a private conversation with me, before he pencils you in on his busy schedule?

Not me, but I'm not the type to slam the door in HIS face either. I want to know the truth, from any messenger.

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“And also Luke 8:12 KJV Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

And in that verse the devil take the word so that they cannot believe.”
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Here is the source:

If you can't find the time to read the book then you will not have as much information available to make sense of the quote: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I can take out the line "Here is the source:" or I can add the Title to the book.

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If you can't find the time to read the book from which the quote below is published, then you will not have as much information available to make sense of the quote: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


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Index Link number 8

I took out a link that was not an Amazon book link, and I replaced it with the Amazon book link, because the other one started some advertizements.


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"I am telling you that there are prejudiced people that     H A T E black people and those types of prejudiced people are poison. I am saying be

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PagThere is a lot of space between "that      H A T E"

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"I am telling you that there are prejudiced people that  H A T E black people and those types of prejudiced people are poison.

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The bathwater, when I employ that analogy, means the lies that cover up the violence. And the violence and the threats - all part of the bathwater; and the baby is all that can be done by people to survive and survive better without that bathwater.
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That second sentence is very poor to me.

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The bathwater, when I employ that analogy, means the lies that cover up the violence. The violence, the threats too, are all part of the bathwater; and the baby is all that can be done by people to survive and survive better without that bathwater.
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I said, “It was not my money, in that case.
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I said, “It was not my money, in that case.”
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Means, a word, BEING DEFINED according to an authoritative source that DEFINES the word "means:"

means plural of means (Noun)
Noun:
An action or system by which a result is brought about.

Money; financial resources.
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Means, a word, BEING DEFINED according to an authoritative source? Google Search for “means definition.” I find:
means plural of means (Noun)
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1. An action or system by which a result is brought about.
2. Money; financial resources.
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This is a dragon you are fighting and that dragon is hinted at in the quote published by Erich Fromm on Carl Marx - if you have forgotten it I can re-publish it here.
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Karl not Carl

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This is a dragon you are fighting and that dragon is hinted at in the quote published by Erich Fromm on Karl Marx - if you have forgotten it I can re-publish it here.
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can immobilize, without harming anyone, other than relatively harming them in the sense that they don't get to murder and torture someone, which to them is a loss of their valuable time and energy.
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can immobilize, without harming anyone, other than relatively harming them in the sense that they don't get to murder and torture someone, which to them is a loss of their valuable time and energy?
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"He seemed to listen."
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"He seemed to listen." [Author: Not a reference to Romney]
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"He seemed to listen."
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"He seemed to listen." [Joe: Not a reference to Romney]
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bear: I must answer, “No faith is not earned. Ephesians 2:8&9 (quoting so may not be perfect) “For by grace are ye saved THRU FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS A GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.”
Faith is a gift. We will not stand in our own merit. It will all be of God. I will not be able to stand there in his presence and say, “Look what I have done to get here.” Joe the point is: I can't get there alone. I am without hope in this world without Christ

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If you can please add that answer to that question if it is a reference to the book, my ears can listen, but I am only one lost soul. –Joe]

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That looked clumsy to me with the Brackets.

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"...I have even had my faith shaken."

How can you remain faithful if you do not resolve contradictions that may appear to be contradictions in time? You are not God, so you will not know everything. And I thought that faith was earned, not handed to you on a silver platter, am I mistaken?
 
“No faith is not earned. Ephesians 2: 8 - 9 (quoting so may not be perfect) “For by grace are ye saved THRU FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS A GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.”
Faith is a gift. We will not stand in our own merit. It will all be of God. I will not be able to stand there in his presence and say, “Look what I have done to get here.” Joe the point is: I can't get there alone. I am without hope in this world without Christ.”

That answer to that question is added to this book, because my ears can listen, but I am only one lost soul. [Joe: additions to original]

"But haven’t we talked about the cost of all the deceit?"

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So...you have someone joining them, everyone has joined ‘em. If you use dollars, you are a member if the Union, but the level of "interest" is interesting.
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if is now of

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So...you have someone joining them, everyone has joined ‘em. If you use dollars, you are a member of the Union, but the level of "interest" is interesting.
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After the months these symbols in English were invented, produced, and published as currency, verbal currency, equitably transferred on the Forum called The Daily Paul. Since then, and credited to bear’s diligent help, I’ve made major breakthroughs in thinking – I think.
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I need to rewrite that, but it is time for dinner.

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These symbols in English were arranged and published as currency, verbal currency, equitably transferred on the Forum called The Daily Paul, over a span of many months. Since then, and credited to bear’s diligent help, I’ve made major breakthroughs in thinking – I think.

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Video: [Joe: generously offered by bear to Joe]
“Ron Paul: Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty.”30
Nice, very nice, link to Ron Paul - thanks a million - that link it is a precious idea well communicated by Ron Paul.

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Video: [Joe: generously offered by bear to Joe]
“Ron Paul: Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty.”30
Nice, very nice, link to Ron Paul - thanks a million - in that link are precious ideas well communicated by Ron Paul.
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I was the Libertarian voice during one official Congressional debate. I went alone to it, at my own expense. The incumbent did not attend, at my expense, too.


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I was the Libertarian voice during one official Congressional debate. I went alone to it, at my own expense. The incumbent did not attend at my expense too.



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bear,

I am at the Sympathy but Not Empathy Chapter and I decided to contact the Daily Paul Forum Member whose words are quoted in that Chapter.

I am sending the following message to her via the personal contact channel at The Daily Paul. If she does not respond, I will not edit the Chapter.

Title
Quoting words here, placed in a book

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I am Joe Kelley, my handle here on this forum is Josf, we have exchanged published words on this forum, and I have those words cut and pasted into a book that will be printed, published, and sold, unless you decide otherwise.

Since my words are going to be printed in the book, I will then need to replace your words with references to the anonymous person who inspired me to write the words I wrote, and the words that inspired me will be missing.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2821837

bear, another forum member, is helping me publish this book, and she decided to cut the words out of that link above, which are now words pasted into a file that will be sent to printers for a book. Your name is not mentioned, my name is mentioned, there is a link to that web page in the book, so far as the book exists in a Word file at this point.

bear, the same forum member helping me publish this book, is concerned about using quotes where the people who published those quotes may not want their words printed in this book.

I am doing what I think should be done, in this case, asking for your permission to print those words of yours.

I don't want to cut this chapter out of the book. If you demand that I do not include any connection to you, whatsoever, in the book, no link to that discussion, no mention of you whatsoever, I still have my words that I will somehow place in the book, and somehow avoid any unwelcome connection to you, if that is your decision.



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What does the FED produce?

Counterfeit Money.
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What does the FED produce?

The FED produces: Counterfeit Money.
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The Legal Criminals must make sure that no one else gains more power than their own small network of sociopaths. That is demonstrable fact, and those facts are actually well recorded in the documents that those criminals produce, in fact, but on a more principled account. The logic and reason of Power can remove all doubt about the right answer to the question.
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The Legal Criminals must make sure that no one else gains more power than their own small network of sociopaths. That is demonstrable fact, and those facts are actually well recorded in the documents that those criminals produce, in fact. On a more principled accounting: the logic and reason of Power can remove all doubt about the right answer to the question concerning the right or wrong of legalized fraud.

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That means: As more and more people are free to compete in the work that does effectively produce more wealth, more things of value, more actual value, more actual productive power, as more and more production is produced. The result of all that "economy" is a reduction in the price of all that "economy," as fewer people have nothing and more people have plenty. The stuff of value goes down in price, as a matter of fact, in reality.

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That means: As more and more people are free to compete in the work that does effectively produce more wealth, more things of value, more actual value, more actual productive power, as more and more production is produced... The result of all that "economy" is a reduction in the price of all that "economy," as fewer people have nothing and more people have plenty. The stuff of value goes down in price, as a matter of fact, in reality.

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That is called monetary appreciation (gaining power) or deflation (gaining power).


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That is called monetary appreciation (gaining power) or deflation (gaining power). Two words for the same thing.

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Economic Law remains true with or without LAW.
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Economic Law remains true with or without Political LAW.

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John: "The thing that most people may not understand concerns the difference between the concept of "public" and "private" jurisdictions in law, and as your question has been explained to me by my trainers. These products are limited by law as to how much profit the bank can make as in the term not-for-profit may suggest. If you are familiar with the term…"
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John: "The thing that most people may not understand concerns the difference between the concept of "public" and "private" jurisdictions in law. This applies to your question, as this has been explained to me by my trainers. These products are limited by law as to how much profit the bank can make as in the term not-for-profit may suggest. If you are familiar with the term…"
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3. The People, in a democratic, voluntary government are the ultimate sovereigns both factually in a physical form and legally in a psychological form, which means that no one in a democratic, voluntary government has a right to give any other Sovereign any rights - or take them away.
3. The People, in a democratic, voluntary government are the ultimate sovereigns both factually in a physical form and legally in a psychological form, which means that no one in a democratic, voluntary, government has a right to give any other Sovereign any rights - or take them away.

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Added WITHOUT QUESTION

I can explain each point in much greater detail, and I will offer at least three more paragraphs on each point in combination with the whole concept of VOLUNTARY GOVERNMENT VERSUS BLIND OBEDIENCE TO FALSEHOOD WITHOUT QUESTION.



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The first amendment was attached to the Document that intended to make Slavery Legal, which was The Constitution. So as to make Slavery less legal during the False Advertisement Campaign that is well documented in The Federalist Papers whereby the Evil Half of the Founding Fathers, exemplified by Alexander Hamilton and George Washington, were promising an Energetic Government (code for Consolidated Nation State with National Debt Slavery, Central Bank, and Direct Taxation of the Subjects who would no longer be The People, as in sovereigns). And that First Amendment Failed to keep the Liars and the Frauds "out of office," so it was a total failure - until now.
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The first amendment was being attached to the document that made slavery legal: The Constitution. The first amendment was an attempt to make Slavery less legal, and that attempt was done during the False Advertisement Campaign that is well documented as being those False Federalist Papers whereby the Evil Half of the Founding Fathers, exemplified by Alexander Hamilton and George Washington, were promising an Energetic Government (code for Consolidated Nation State with National Debt Slavery, Central Bank, and Direct Taxation of the Subjects who would no longer be The People, as in sovereigns). And that First Amendment Failed to keep the Liars and the Frauds "out of office," so it was a total failure - until now: World Wide Web.







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And when you have the answer to "who," then you have found a criminal, legal or otherwise, you have found a criminal. Test yourself first.


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And when you have the answer, when you know who did it, then you have found a criminal, legal or otherwise, you have found a criminal. Test yourself first.

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And this device was a Cell Phone-sized Camcorder that recorded any event in real-time uploading that record of that event whereby the user of the device felt threatened and the user of the device pressed a trigger, and the threat was thereby rendered immobile for 1 hour of time, with no health risk to the immobile person. Any contention of false "shooting" by the defender who is being accused of being "trigger happy" is recorded live on the internet, and can be a part of an insurance type service intending to represent users of the device in case the user of the device is accused of being "trigger happy."

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And this device was a Cell Phone-sized Camcorder that recorded any event in real-time uploading that record of that event whereby the user of the device felt threatened and the user of the device pressed a trigger, and the threat was thereby rendered immobile for 1 hour of time, with no health risk to the immobile person. Any contention of false "shooting" by the defender who is being accused of being "trigger happy" is recorded live on the internet, and can be a part of an insurance type service intending to represent users of the device in case the user of the device is accused of being "trigger happy." Disarm yourself?


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Economic Information Revolution……....….……,,…..1

Ill-Gotten Gains………………….....……,,,,.…………87

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know better: from worse.

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there is one of his poems offered on the back page.

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there is one of his poems offered on the last page.

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I remember taking note as Barack Hussein Obama traipsed around the world introducing himself during his first presidential campaign, and before he was even elected, meeting with cohorts and “experts” to begin solving the economic woes of these United States.

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I remember taking note as Barack Hussein Obama traipsed around the world introducing himself during his first presidential campaign. And then before he was even elected, he met with cohorts and “experts” to begin solving the economic woes of these United States.

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That Joe spent countless hours walking me thru the basics of a Political Economy Liberty-themed Mindset

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John 8:32 “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free“

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John 8:32 “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”

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1 Chronicles 29:11-13
"Thine, O LORD is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

“Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.

“Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name."

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1 Chronicles 29:11-13
“Thine, O LORD is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.

Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name.”

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John 8:36 “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

What is this power that can make a person free? This same Jesus said in

John 8:32 “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”

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John 8:36
“If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

What is this power that can make a person free? This same Jesus said in

John 8:32
“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”

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John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

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John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

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but a forum none-the-less, in our time, a place called The Daily Paul.

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"I think there is a serious error in failing to know that the current government is counterfeit, or crime made legal, and therefore the concept of defense against crime is falsely viewed as being morally wrong, as morality and legality are confused by that bait and switch routine." —Joe

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"I think there is a serious error in failing to know that the current government is counterfeit, or crime made legal; and therefore, the concept of defense against crime is falsely viewed as being morally wrong, as morality and legality are confused by that bait and switch routine." —Joe

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Modern day information transfer is nothing short of a revolution, and in order to compete there are inventions that include free, or no

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Modern day information transfer is nothing short of a revolution. And in order to compete there are inventions that include free, or no

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Individual connecting points, or terminals, connecting to one homogenous medium of exchange and here you may want to know a thing or two about electricity and the concept of how electricity finds the path of least resistance.

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Person C is informed about the impending crime and Person C is generous, or honest, or merely a talkative blabbermouth, or the town crier, or a Modern Day Paul Revere, a whistle blower, informer, news outlet, author, writer, sign maker, inventor, producer, and maintainer of vital questions and competitive answers, intending to connect the information about criminals to each current or potential victim.

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Person C is informed about the impending crime and Person C is generous, or honest, or merely a talkative blabbermouth, or the town crier, or a Modern Day Paul Revere, a whistle blower, informer, news outlet, author, writer, sign maker, inventor, producer and maintainer of vital questions and competitive answers, intending to connect the information about criminals to each current or potential victim.

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benefits of doing crime on the criminal scale of cost over benefit.

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benefits of doing crime on the criminal-scale of cost over benefit.

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Knowing how to get past the resistance to factual, accurate, information, a handy skill, is a skill that works to get past, get around, the false, inaccurate, deceptive versions of history.

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Knowing how to get past the resistance to factual, accurate information (a handy skill) is a skill that works to get past and get around the false, inaccurate, deceptive versions of history.

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and therefore this information if it is true, can empower the current victims, and the potential victims,

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and therefore this information if it is true, can empower the current victims and the potential victims,

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he thought was "of interest to Gold Bugs." You know: the concept of a 3-sided fence.

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he thought was "Of Interest to Gold Bugs." You know, the concept of a 3-sided fence:

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Get this Tar Baby off my dinner table, what am I paying you to do?”

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Get this Tar Baby off my dinner table! What am I paying you to do?”

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The concept that falsehoods are dressed up to masquerade as truth, and that these costumes are worn by people, is necessary to understand and expose the lies perpetrated upon humankind.

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The concept that falsehoods are dressed up to masquerade as truth, and that these costumes are worn by people, is necessary to understand in order to expose the lies perpetrated upon humankind.

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Torture and Murder made Legal, actions, perpetrated by guilty people upon innocent people.

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Torture and Murder made Legal: actions, perpetrated by guilty people upon innocent people.

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Which version sends the more accurate, higher quality, lower cost, message through the medium of exchange

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Which version sends the more accurate, higher quality, lower cost message through the medium of exchange

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7. Documented ongoing Conspiracies versus a nebulous THING called "Conspiracy Theory" that exists like a boogie man lurking in the darkness of falsehood.

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7. Documented ongoing Conspiracies versus a nebulous THING called "Conspiracy Theory" that exists like a boogie man lurking in the darkness of falsehood

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"I can understand and see that value in a privately sovereign individually based and issued currency."

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I am currently in a quandary on page 22 as what I though was the rule with quotes and punctuation may have changed per http://typedesk.com/2011/02/15/chicago-manual-of-style-16th-edition-2/

Note the statement: "And who knows? Perhaps in another hundred years the semicolon will find its way back inside the closing quotation marks."

I am finding that question marks as well, may not all belong in quotes...

I am also wondering if all titles in the book like Equitable Commerce should be italicized...going to call it quits for tonight and start fresh tomorrow.

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At some point the decision to stay inside the lines, illustrated by the child's coloring book, removes too much freedom, and creating becomes difficult.

I am benefiting from your help in punctuation, finding myself gaining a sense of disciplined understanding concerning symbol arrangements in specific order, so as to help transfer meaning intact, by avoiding too much ambiguity in language.

Up to a point, this works, and then I get too caught up in the mechanics, as if the need to convey a message steps down off the list of things to do.

When it is my turn again to edit the final book, I don't want to change anything without having your OK to do so, at that point, and in that effort, if you are willing, I can learn how to keep inside the lines better, improve the power to communicate accurately, and avoid conflicts in understanding why things are done the way they are done, when the idea is to communicate accurately.

I guess I am saying that I appreciate your help, greatly, once again.


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... a sense of disciplined understanding concerning symbol arrangements in specific order, so as to help transfer meaning intact, by avoiding too much ambiguity in language.

That is the main point of punctuation that I am doing now. I for the most part have felt that I have corrected most (not perfectly) of the "staying in the line" issues.

What I have been working on is making reading for the reader more understandable. At least that is what I am trying to do.

I am also trying to keep the same form though out the document.

Yesterday, on page 22 I ran across places with "? and with ?"

As you know, I have stated that ? goes inside the " but I ran across info yesterday that I think says otherwise, so I would like to know which is correct. It seems that American sand the Britians also follow different rules...

I will try not to get wrapped around the axle, being more precise than necessary. I think the most important at this point is to pick a way and be consistent.

So of course, I would like to pick the "right" way, so I am going ot research a little further.

I have been listenting to the Bengazi hearings this morning but am getting ready to pause that and start book work.

Would it be best if I didn't talk to you while you are trying to write a fiction?

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5/9/13 Acknowledgments (I have decided to start at the beginning of the book to ensure that italics and quotes are incorporated correctly/consistently.)

The Daily Paul connects the individual perspectives that would be singularly connected to the Monopoly Viewpoint otherwise.

To acknowledge my brother Jack, whose help is immeasurable, there is one of his poems offered on the last page.

Decided not to italicize The Daily Paul (even though it would fit the "rules" to do so since it is a name of a forum). However, I did remove a comma from the last sentence (which I had earlier missed):

To acknowledge my brother Jack whose help is immeasurable, there is one of his poems offered on the last page.

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I would also like Josf to note that his daughter is the only person in his mentioned family whose first name is not given. That may be artistic intent in the way that her name is given for the cover art, but on the cover art, her name is mentioned, but not that she is your daughter. I don't bring this up so that you will change anything, I just wanted to make sure that that is definitely the way you want it.

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I agree with the concept of being consistent, and I think the American way is preferable over the English way, for reasons that you may guess.

The Fiction work, as far as I can guess, will be a disciplined effort to get on task, and then stay on task, in fits of creativity, like music. I will probably find early morning sessions to be opportunities in this process, instead of picking up the guitar, I will have inspiration to write my thoughts into fictional story lines, and in time I may learn how to fuel that process. For today the inspiration was non-existent, compared to the other day when I threw myself into it.

Meanwhile a second book on The Liberty Day Challenge could be moved ahead. I don't know how this works. The concept of being an author instead of being a laborer is still foreign. I worked as a mechanic, laborer, machine operator, etc. for so many years. It is in my blood.

My wife and I spoke about my present role as housekeeper, cook, parent, the things she did, before I was no longer in demand as a laborer, before she drove herself into being a competitive business operator.

The first book may provide evidence, or justification, in authorship combined with publishing power?




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Meanwhile a second book on The Liberty Day Challenge could be moved ahead. I don't know how this works. The concept of being an author instead of being a laborer is still foreign. I worked as a mechanic, laborer, machine operator, etc. for so many years. It is in my blood.

My wife and I spoke about my present role as housekeeper, cook, parent, the things she did, before I was no longer in demand as a laborer, before she drove herself into being a competitive business operator.


I can imagine using the body ia a different way is a new thing to learn. But, in my mind, it is the body that is being used, whether it is the brain and the strong muscles to acheive one kind of labor, or the brain and the soft muscles to acheive another kind of labor. Both kinds of labor are products of your mind, your ability, your muscles, and your time.

Yes, I suppose one can command their body muscles to do whatever they demand (within reason), and it is different to command the mind to be artistic on demand. Sure, your fingers may be willing to type, but the mind may not be creative at the given moment. I think there is something called writer's block. Some writers go away to secluded areas so that they can write. Their characters become real to them and the rest of life pales in significance as writing is achieved.

Joe, you are extremely intelligent. It is wonderful that you can use your mind now as a new kind of laborer as well as you were able to use your mind and muscles as a different kind of laborer. But you still labor. I used to come home mentally spent and exhausted when I worked at NASA. I was not so much physically spent because my days were at a desk.

I remember the story you told me about sleeping while dumping rock. So, you may have been able to put your mind in nuetral at times? Maybe writing can work the same way?

It was rude of me to start a conversation with you while you were writing even if I did have questions, I should have refrained. After all, I have book work to do as well. :)

I will try to get this finished ASAP. I have developed the concept of setting my kitchen timer for 30 minute intravals so that I get other things done too. Bookwork 30 minutes; housework 30 minutes. I am eating my bookwork time right now. It is much more pleasant for me to talk than consentrate. But, I think now that my meds are halved I can overcome what is more pleasant and do what is most necessary. The doc and I talked about that concept. Makes sense that I was too laid back to do anything that took effort...of course I have issues with lack of sunlight and it has been a long winter and spring has been mostley cloudy.

I will be happy to work on Liberty Day Challenge too even if you are writing a fiction. No problem with having a storehouse? A manifestation of labor in the form of capital? After all there is a message to put forth!

I got a phone call recording from Ron Paul today by Campaign for Liberty...it seems the gang of 8 is hiding a national ID card complete with biometrics within the undocumented worker legislation. US Citizens will not be able to work without that card according to Ron Paul.

They wanted me to sign a petition and send money. You never know who you are talking to on the phone these days. It could all be a set up as far as I'm concerned. How could one know?

Revelation 13:17 KJV
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

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Note: Scriptures used on the Title Page, Forward, and throughout are quoted from The Holy Bible, King James Version, unless otherwise noted.

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Note: Scriptures used on the Title Page, Foreword, and throughout are quoted from The Holy Bible, King James Version, unless otherwise noted.

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JOE,

I don't understand which sentences you are talking about. I don't think I have ever understood, but I never asked. I always just tried to figure it out myself, but never can. So...I better ask in case other people are as dull as I am :)

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the second sentence intends to show a measure of improvement (in other words), an effort to sharpen the tool.

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I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits.

Dark Horizons?

In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other?
Under Duress?

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly.

That could be improved as being this: (?)



I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits.

Dark Horizons?

In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other?
Under Duress?

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence in this Introduction: poorly.



The way I write, the way I think, is such that I don't know if that is an improvement to be precise to a point where the reader has no need to think, to be left without work to do, but failing to make any sense whatsoever is certainly a failure.

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5/9/13 Foreword & Introduction, pg 1:

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FOX News

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Joe Quote

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I see now the problem you may have identified. I see a problem for sure.

This:


So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the second sentence intends to show a measure of improvement (in other words), an effort to sharpen the tool.

That should be "the fourth sentence," or the first three sentences should be combined to make one sentence.

Does that make sense?

I could rewrite as such:


I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits.

Dark Horizons?

In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other?
Under Duress?

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably.



I think that does help avoid the error in communication.

Good find, and thanks again.

This is becoming a much more serious effort to hammer out the words on the anvil as we work at being wordsmiths?


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This is becoming a much more serious effort to hammer out the words on the anvil as we work at being wordsmiths?

Seems I remember a friend who participated in the process to create crushed rock?

I think you gave me some words about that one time, and the concept of a rough cut becoming a finer cut. I think maybe it had to do with book writing, but as far as which abyss it is in...I have no idea :)

Thank you for the words above regarding the sentences. I have been gone since 8 this morning so I haven't done any book work. But will start back with that incorporation and ask if I have further questions about it.

I left you a reply here: http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_post.php?post_id=5796

and would like to know that you received it. You do not need to reply, I just want to know that you got my words. They were meant to be an encouragement.

Can your forum "nest" replies? I don't know if that is the proper lingo...

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I got the message.

Revelation 13:17 KJV
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

While I listen to Bill Cooper my mind is working. I am thinking about Sergey, and I am thinking about the concept of ego.

Confidence in being right?

When a counterfeiter counterfeits...

What is counterfeited?


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ego: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego

Are you referring to one's own self-concept?

Too much self-confidence could be egotistical?

When a counterfeiter counterfeits...

What is counterfeited?


When a counterfeiter counterfeits...

A counterfeit is counterfeited.

So are you saying Bill Cooper is a counterfeit producing a counterfeit?

We have had our little town fair today so I did not get any bookwork done. I am slow. Monday I have a "Mother's Day Tea" to attend and Tuesday I am driving the Amish. My bookwork is going slow.

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Generally speaking, not speaking about Bill Cooper, the idea that some THING can be counterfeited suggests that some THING exists.

What is the thing being counterfeiting in any case of counterfeiting?

If religion is seen only as a counterfeit, a fraud, then I think it may be a good idea to look for the THING being counterfeited.

That was my point.

Bill Cooper was shot and killed, and that could be understood as a murderous act, or an investment made by someone to reach a goal, or who know what, there was no Trial by Jury concerning the death, as far as I know, and there was no counterfeit Trial by Jury, again, as far as I know.


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I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits.

Dark Horizons?

In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other?
Under Duress?

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first sentence: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the second sentence intends to show a measure of improvement (in other words), an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably.

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I'm Joe and discussion has been a very dull tool in my life up to points in time that inspire the effort to sharpen that tool. Often times the inspiration accompanies dire straits.

Dark Horizons?

In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other?

Under Duress?

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably.

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In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other?

Under Duress?

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach, to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably.

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In other words a question: What brings people together so as to inspire them to be nice to each other, to cooperate, to compare notes, and to seek better from worse, and at the same time avoid harming each other?

Under Duress?

So my power to convey meaning with English and to do so accurately has been, once again, exemplified by the first introductory sentence above: poorly. I have a hard time communicating. Then the competition (in other words) intends to show a measure of improvement, an effort to sharpen the tool. I intend to offer my end of any discussion - in dire straits - so as to compare notes, to learn, and to teach; to do so fairly, equitably, nicely, politely, if possible - often times failing miserably.

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A small part of the entire, and ongoing, process of discussion is documented in this book, whereby discussion on vital matters happened, and is exemplified for those who share that interest in knowing better, and those who understand the vital necessity of accurate communication in Liberty.

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A small part of the entire and ongoing process of discussion is documented in this book. Whereby discussion on vital matters happened and is exemplified for those who share that interest in knowing better, and those who understand the vital necessity of accurate communication in Liberty.

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Clashes in the Power Struggle is the human condition happening in times and in places; and these events are ongoing in the minds of individual examples that represent Mankind, including bear, who tends to be a better representative of spiritual POWER, and the struggle includes Joe who represents, in his own mind, an average Joe worker, representing productive economic POWER, also known as Labor.

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Clashes in the Power Struggle is the human condition happening in times and in places; and these events are ongoing in the minds of individual examples that represent Mankind, including bear, who tends to be a better representative of spiritual POWER, and the struggle includes Joe, who represents in his own mind, an average Joe worker representing productive economic POWER also known as Labor.

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This particular discussion quickly moves to the topic of Criminal Power and Victim Power as Joe continually reminds bear that what is meant for public consumption is not the truth, thus, the Joe Quote that begins this segment of discussion is the sobering reality that though many of us have been trained to believe that the powers that be are a loyal and patriotic lot working for their constituents, the reality is that criminals have taken control.

Punctuation changed:

This particular discussion quickly moves to the topic of Criminal Power and Victim Power as Joe continually reminds bear that what is meant for public consumption is not the truth; thus, the Joe Quote that begins this segment of discussion is the sobering reality that though many of us have been trained to believe that the powers that be are a loyal and patriotic lot working for their constituents, the reality is that criminals have taken control.

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Not only can someone be greedy, a Scrooge, supposedly evil incarnate, by miserly practices of always making sure that the soiled end of the stick is handled by other people, and not only are there generous charitable people who give away everything to other people, supposedly copies of Jesus Himself, but there are people who give things so as to then take things and there are people who take things so as to give things, and in the middle is equity?

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Not only can someone be greedy, a Scrooge, supposedly evil incarnate, by miserly practices of always making sure that the soiled end of the stick is handled by other people. And not only are there generous, charitable people who give away everything to other people, supposedly copies of Jesus Himself. But there are people who give things so as to then take things, and there are people who take things so as to give things. And in the middle is equity?

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Thanks for taking so much care in fixing these rough edges.


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You're welcome, Joe. As much as I have WANT to talk, I just can't, so I will LACK that pleasure. I have alot on my plate right now. I am going to spend all spare time working on editing. I got my garden in yesterday. I would have liked to take pictures and do a DP post, but I just didn't have time for that pleasure.

I am with the Amish today and we will be on the go most of the day so I am not expecting much down time. The boys have a concert performance tonight and tomorrow we are going on an all day school field trip to Fantastic Caverns. Jeff is off Wed so we will drive south as a family instead of north to school. I am looking forward to it. I agree with Surgey on Music. Bill Gothard speak of beat and harmony and I have also heard of a missionary whose children were playing rock music and the Africans wanted to know why the missionary's children were calling the demons to come... I really wanted to join the conversation :) On to book work :)

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Modern day information transfer is nothing short of a revolution. And in order to compete there are inventions that include free, or no monetary price, information packets available everywhere on these terminals we call Lap Tops, Cell Phones, Personal Computers, I-Pads, and many other names for basically the same thing: terminals.

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Modern day information transfer is nothing short of a revolution. In order to compete there are inventions that include free, or no monetary price, information packets available everywhere on these terminals we call Lap Tops, Cell Phones, Personal Computers, I-Pads, and many other names for basically the same thing: Terminals.

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Individual connecting points, or terminals, connecting to one homogenous medium of exchange, and here you may want to know a thing or two about electricity and the concept of how electricity finds the path of least resistance.

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Individual connecting points (terminals) connecting to one homogenous medium of exchange. And here you may want to know a thing or two about electricity and the concept of how electricity finds the path of least resistance.

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The victims may want to travel past all the resistance and the victims may want to find that information concerning those threats in time for them to then be able to avoid being victims.

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The victims may want to travel past all the resistance, and the victims may want to find that information concerning those threats in time for them to then be able to avoid being victims.

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The place of this small act in a large theater was a modern example of a Forum, such as those ancient ruins in Athens Greece.

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The place of this small act in a large theater was a modern example of a Forum, such as those ancient ruins in Athens, Greece.

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The victims may want to travel past all the resistance, and the victims may want to find that information concerning those threats in time for them to then be able to avoid being victims.

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The victims may want to travel past all resistance, and the victims may want to find that information concerning those threats in time to avoid being victims.

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So accurate, informative, useful, productive, defensive information, where the information can empower the victims with the power required to avoid being victims, WILL weaken criminals and raise the costs of doing crime and lower the benefits of doing crime on the criminal-scale of cost over benefit.

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So accurate, informative, useful, productive, defensive information (where the information can empower the victims with the power required to avoid being victims) WILL weaken criminals, raise the costs of doing crime, and lower the benefits of doing crime on the criminal-scale of cost over benefit.

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So criminals place road blocks in between the information and the victims as the criminals invent, produce, and maintain these costly investments. Criminals are then faced with that very unfortunate consequence of the Law of Diminishing Returns. Each victim connects to powerful information allowing them to avoid being victims, raising the need for the criminals to find more victims, raising the need for the criminals to squeeze more value out of each victim, forcing an ever increasing demand for the criminals to then invent, produce, and maintain even more road blocks that keep the victims in the dark.

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Therefore, criminals place road blocks in between the information and the victims as the criminals invent, produce, and maintain these costly investments. Criminals are then faced with that very unfortunate consequence of the Law of Diminishing Returns. Each victim connects to powerful information allowing them to avoid being victims, raising the need for the criminals to find more victims, raising the need for the criminals to squeeze more value out of each victim, and thus forcing an ever increasing demand for the criminals to then invent, produce, and maintain even more road blocks that keep the victims in the dark.

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This looks good to me.

Please continue.

If you agree to help with the next book, the Novel, I may be much more interested in knowing why the improvements are being made to my efforts in transferring perspectives accurately.


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Joe, my main effort is readability right now. To achieve that goal, I am using punctuation and also making stand alone sentences where possible. I am using punctuation guidelines here: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/01/

You are very good at working outside of the margins. I am a rule person. One thing I think to consider with McCarthy's work. If he is writing fiction, he maybe writing with words and concepts that people are very familiar with.

I think Joe Quotes covers topics that are outside the realm of those who are fooled, as I was and still am, by Abject Believe in Falsehood. So, to me it seems very important that the book be easily readable so that the concepts you have so carefully set on paper are understood by the reader.

Then again, I am not the sharpest pencil in the box. So sentences that I may think are difficult may be easy as pie to someone else. I don't know. You will see I left you an email asking for further help so that I can know better.

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Books, like the Bible, connected The Word with people who were powerful enough to read The Word, so criminals had to invent ways to censor The Word, or their criminal way of life would run out of victims rapidly, and their way of life would be starved out for the remaining number of criminals as the cost of living for criminals increases beyond a sustainable level, and as the benefits for crime dry up along with the diminishing supply of ready victims. When the victims know better they choose not to be victims.

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Books, like The Bible, connected The Word with people who were powerful enough to read The Word. So criminals had to invent ways to censor The Word, or their criminal way of life would run out of victims rapidly. And their way of life would be starved out for the remaining number of criminals as the cost of living for criminals increases beyond a sustainable level, and as the benefits for crime dry up along with the diminishing supply of ready victims. When the victims know better they choose not to be victims.

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History books written by Inquisition Victors, Pogrom Victors, Crusade Victors, and other Winners of massive expenditures of POWER called wars, aimed at massive torture and massive slaughter, throughout history have produced “common knowledge” (counterfeit) among the recent past generations and current generations of mankind.

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History books written by Inquisition Victors, Pogrom Victors, Crusade Victors, and other Winners of massive expenditures of POWER called wars, aimed at massive torture and massive slaughter throughout history, have produced “common knowledge” (counterfeit) among the recent past generations and current generations of mankind.

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A person capable of reading The Bible, The Word, may be powerful enough to accurately discriminate the difference between information that benefits the criminals and information that benefits the victims including the true meaning of such things as The Inquisition, The Crusades, and World War II.

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A person capable of reading The Bible, The Word, may be powerful enough to accurately discriminate the difference between information that benefits the criminals and information that benefits the victims, including the true meaning of such things as: The Inquisition, The Crusades, and World War II.

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Common Sense, 1776, Thomas Paine, 46 Pages:

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Common Sense, 1776, Thomas Paine, 46 Pages:

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What if a few people, or just two people, manage to combine their disconnected studies of divergent information, one being a spiritual education and the other being a political economy education, and it becomes obvious, at least to these two individuals, that government does not have to be evil at all; and therefore this information if it is true, can empower the current victims and the potential victims, with the defensive power that can enable honest productive people to be able to afford life on Earth for a little while longer, if not for eternity? Bypassing deceit, threats of violence, and violence made legal is the path of least resistance to the truth.

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What if a few people (or just two people) manage to combine their disconnected studies of divergent information (one being a spiritual education and the other being a political economy education), and it becomes obvious (at least to these two individuals) that government does not have to be evil at all; and therefore, this information if it is true, can empower the current victims and the potential victim with the defensive power that can enable honest productive people to be able to afford life on Earth for a little while longer, if not for eternity?

Bypassing deceit, threats of violence, and violence made legal is the path of least resistance to the truth.

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How much does one person give up in the effort to transfer vital questions and accurate answers to fellow Friends of Liberty and is the cost benefit analysis profitable for that individual?

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How much does one person give up in the effort to transfer vital questions and accurate answers to fellow Friends of Liberty, and is the cost benefit analysis profitable for that individual?

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"Why did your conversation end so soon with Person A? Because he had “respectful,” and yes he did use that word, disagreements? Maybe he just didn’t understand yet and needed to talk more. Didn’t you like talking to him?"

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"Why did your conversation end so soon with Person A? Because he had ‘respectful,’ and yes he did use ‘that’ word, disagreements? Maybe he just didn’t understand yet and needed to talk more. Didn’t you like talking to him?"

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Person A laid it out, it seems to me, without reservation, which is a whole lot more than many people do, and so I am grateful for such generosity of spirit, that is The Spirit of Liberty, it seems to me.

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Person A laid it out, it seems to me, without reservation, which is a whole lot more than many people do, and so I am grateful for such generosity of spirit. That is The Spirit of Liberty, it seems to me.

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Can language become deceptive or do people use tools to reach the goal of deception?

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Can language become deceptive, or do people use tools to reach the goal of deception?

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How about an exemplary sentence, to be measured for deception?

Authority of Man upon Man is a lie, so why believe it?

Is that sentence deceptive? Does that sentence confess my goal of seeking deception? It is, as in is, a question.


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How about an exemplary sentence, to be measured for deception: Authority of Man upon Man is a lie, so why believe it?

Is that sentence deceptive? Does that sentence confess my goal of seeking deception? It is, as in "is," a question.

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Gold bugs? What is the meaning of that? Gold is fine, very good, but very expensive money when adding up the costs associated with crime prevention. As it may not be a good idea to carry around pockets full of Gold in crime infested waters, advertising the fact: “Hey, look here, I'm ripe for the plucking…” having and holding large amounts of very launderable money.

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Gold bugs? What is the meaning of that? Gold is fine, very good, but very expensive money when adding up the costs associated with crime prevention. It may not be a good idea to carry around pockets full of Gold in crime infested waters, advertising the fact, “Hey, look here, I'm ripe for the plucking...having and holding large amounts of very launderable money.”

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JOE, I NEED HELP HERE: NOT SURE WHO IS DOING THE SPEAKING IN QUOTED TEXT, OR ARE THE QUOTES SIGNIFYING SARCASM?

“Really bad things, those paper dollars, bad, bad, evil, evil, paper, the scourge of the earth, that paper, that, that, worthless, worthless paper?”

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E-Mail reply was sent, and yes it is meant as sarcasm, explained in the e-mail.

I don't know if adding something like the words sent in the e-mail may help, or if the communication of sarcasm could be better communicated with italics, or some other signal to the reader of better, more effective, design.


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Added words provided via email. Currently the page count has moved from 174 to 175. Perhaps if I don't have pagecount resolved before sending the book back to you, you will be able to resolve it back to 175. The words in red are the words that have been added:


Gold bugs? What is the meaning of that? Gold is fine, very good, but very expensive money when adding up the costs associated with crime prevention. It may not be a good idea to carry around pockets full of Gold in crime infested waters, advertising the fact, “Hey, look here, I'm ripe for the plucking…having and holding large amounts of very launderable money.”

Real cash, if not the stuff needed for Tax Liabilities?

So the competition is really bad, you know, that fraudulent stuff used by very bad criminals who steal the law power, and then make it a crime to use any other money. “Where is my washing machine?”

“Really bad things, those paper dollars, bad, bad, evil, evil, paper, the scourge of the earth, that paper, that, that, worthless, worthless paper?”

Do you see? That is a parody on the Austrian Economist Dogma. Fiat currency is bad, so bad, and if it is so bad, why are you using it to such great effect?

The False Capitalists are as easy to spot as the False Socialists. Why? They are both false. They want to launder something. They want to keep their ill-gotten gains well hidden, and how are you going to do so unless you have available a washing machine whereby the evidence of having gained your power working in concert with the rats, pigs, scoundrels, or mammon, whatever, soils the money, marks the money, as blood, or dirt, is on the money, and therefore there is a desire to wash the evidence off the money.

If the idea is to keep the evidence of an exchange from the Tax Collector, a case can be made that it is an innocent person working to avoid having their earnings stolen by the big bad wolf, but is that the same big bad wolf that is called whenever a problem arises during a loss of property at the hands of known criminals?


So what is it, exactly, since I'm receiving mixed messages here: either the paper is worthless or it is evil, and it can't be both can it?

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Gold bugs? Really bad things, those paper dollars, bad, bad, evil, evil, paper, the scourge of the earth, that paper, that, that, worthless, worthless paper? What is the meaning of that? Gold is fine, very good, but very expensive money when adding up the costs associated with crime prevention. It may not be a good idea to carry around pockets full of Gold in crime infested waters, advertising the fact, “Hey, look here, I'm ripe for the plucking…having and holding large amounts of very launderable money.”

Real cash, if not the stuff needed for Tax Liabilities?

So the competition is really bad, you know, that fraudulent stuff used by very bad criminals who steal the law power, and then make it a crime to use any other money. Where is my washing machine?

Do you see? That is a parody on the Austrian Economist Dogma. Fiat currency is bad, so bad, and if it is so bad, why are you using it to such great effect?

The False Capitalists are as easy to spot as the False Socialists. Why? They are both false. They want to launder something. They want to keep their ill-gotten gains well hidden. How are they going to do so unless they have available a washing machine whereby the evidence of having gained their power working in concert with the rats, pigs, scoundrels, or mammon…whatever soils the money or marks the money…as blood or dirt…is on the money…and there is, therefore, a desire to wash the evidence off the money.

If the idea is to keep the evidence of an exchange from the Tax Collector, a case can be made that it is an innocent person working to avoid having their earnings stolen by the big bad wolf, but is that the same big bad wolf that is called whenever a problem arises during a loss of property at the hands of known criminals?

So what is it, exactly, since I'm receiving mixed messages here: either the paper is worthless or it is evil, and it can't be both can it?

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A fine job of improving the power to convey accurate meaning in my opinion.

When it is my turn to edit I can first return here to make sure that I am not undoing something already undone, and I can learn how better to be consistent in those areas where 6 of one is worth half a dozen of the other, where it is better to keep asking for 6, or asking for half a dozen, rather than working to keep the reader's head spinning.


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A fine job of improving the power to convey accurate meaning in my opinion.

I agree, Joe, you did a very fine job!

I was able to work some on the text that you so kindly provided so you may like to take a 2nd look. I moved the part about the bad bad paper money to the Gold Bugs paragraph.

I did this because I was struggling with wanting the text to be italicized, but it was in a paragraph alone and could have been confused with bear words since those words are stand alone italicized paragraphs (with quotes, though). So, see if you like the reorganization. I think it works. But I do not have your brain. You may still like to make some changes when back in your court :)

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Can it be worth less and be so powerful as to consume every scrap of extra value including the nails that nail down anything that can be nailed down?

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Can it be worth less and be so powerful as to consume every scrap of extra value including the nails that nail down anything that can be nailed down?

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“They are just as really currency as the specie dollar, the greenback, or the bank bill. A field which has no fence up one of its sides is not fenced in, no matter how high and strong its fences may be on the other sides. So, the volume of currency is not, in any true sense, limited by prohibitions of free banking, by a return to specie basis, or by any other means, so long as negotiable paper can be freely issued by individuals; and this free issue of negotiable paper is too useful, and too well entrenched in necessity, ever hereafter to be interfered with.” SA3

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They are just as really currency as the specie dollar, the greenback, or the bank bill. A field which has no fence up one of its sides is not fenced in, no matter how high and strong its fences may be on the other sides. So, the volume of currency is not, in any true sense, limited by prohibitions of free banking, by a return to specie basis, or by any other means, so long as negotiable paper can be freely issued by individuals; and this free issue of negotiable paper is too useful, and too well entrenched in necessity, ever hereafter to be interfered with.1

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I was once more desperate to gain the ears of Conservative Republican, Austrian Economist Gold Bug types; to get their angle of view clear in my mind concerning information such as the above, which is based upon the work done by Josiah Warren in Equitable Commerce. But after so many decades of seeking this information, and coming up very short, it occurs to me that such things are trade secrets, kept secret, for fun and profit. Patents Pending?

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I was once more desperate to gain the ears of Conservative Republican, Austrian Economist Gold Bug types: to get their angle of view clear in my mind concerning information such as the above, which is based upon the work done by Josiah Warren in Equitable Commerce. But after so many decades of seeking this information, and coming up very short, it occurs to me that such things are trade secrets, kept secret, for fun and profit. Patents Pending?

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In the absence of confessions, I am left with guesses and my own research, finding Menger and Rothbard which was a Topic plopped onto the discussion table, here in this forum.

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In the absence of confessions, I am left with guesses and my own research: finding Menger and Rothbard, which was a Topic plopped onto the discussion table, here in this forum.

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Or more like the splattering sound that might be heard when a Tar Baby is served up at the otherwise very attractive dinner, right there on the dinner table: smack.

Where are all my workers, employees and the like, when good help is so hard to find - at a discount? Get this Tar Baby off my dinner table! What am I paying you to do?

Combined into single paragraph and italicized the information being said by the fiction.

Or more like the splattering sound that might be heard when a Tar Baby is served up at the otherwise very attractive dinner, right there on the dinner table: smack. Where are all my workers, employees and the like, when good help is so hard to find - at a discount? Get this Tar Baby off my dinner table! What am I paying you to do?

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OK, Joe, I am at another point of indecision. I am adding more italics. The italics added in the post above are right before bear words which are also italicized.

Before this edit, not many things were italicized except for bear words. Now I am feeling a need to make bear words stand out in another way, and have considered underlining. I don't know if I am now overbaking the art. Do you have any thoughts/ideas?

It is not that I want bear words to stand out because they are my words. But I do want them to stand out because they are the words that your words are answering. So I feel like the reader needs to easily know when a new topic/bear question is being introduced, which was the original intent of italicizing bear words.

What do you think?

(I could put the italics in the post above in quotes, but back when the false capitalist and false socialist were talking about fiat money, I used italics for tbe "quotes" by those fictions because it seemed best.)

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I think your viewpoint on this is decisive, and we need to invent a better mouse trap to answer this particular problem.

I don't like the underlining fix for this problem, if for no other reason that the reason of using too much ink. Looking at the underlining, in my mind, looks too messy too.

I'd prefer using another color, or using bold, as you did in the Index, that to me is better than underlining.

It matters not to me who gains or loses any "headlines" or "credit' either, so your words being 2 sizes larger and twice as BOLD is no problem for me, the idea is to convey a message worth conveying, in a better way, as the worse way is unaffordable.

Is there a way to slightly make some words bolder or a slightly different shade?

Did you know that Josiah Warren saw this problem and fixed this problem of having too many limits placed into the STANDARD methods of communication and so he invented ways to fix those limitations? He used CAPITALS a lot, and he also applied the same type of solution to the communication of Music.

I think you are onto a method of improving the book greatly, thanks again.

I don't know which fix will be the best one yet, please experiment some with the book as it is now, while you have it. If you don't find a competitive fix, I'll see what I can do with the book on my end.



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Here again the concept of closing doors quickly when Bible Thumpers appear on the threshold of the Kingdom: “What happened to my sanctuary?”

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Here again the concept of closing doors quickly when Bible Thumpers appear on the threshold of the Kingdom What happened to my sanctuary?

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Based upon as much as I can gather from your words there is little to disbelieve in scripture, mere common sense; reinforcements concerning ideas and concepts that are plagued with doubt and uncertainty given the weight of the consequences for failing to know better.



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Based upon as much as I can gather from your words there is little to disbelieve in scripture, mere common sense; reinforcements concerning ideas and concepts that are plagued with doubt and uncertainty given the weight of the consequences for failing to know better.



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As to the demarcation lines, well drawn, there is still room for equitable transfers of reinforcing information, despite the confidence in current belief. In my case, I just don't know, for example: this person named Jesus died for me. I just don't know that fact, if it is a fact, and we can call it belief, and how does that work in English, in other words?



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As to the demarcation lines, well drawn, there is still room for equitable transfers of reinforcing information, despite the confidence in current belief. In my case, I just don't know for example, this person named Jesus died for me. I just don't know that fact, if it is a fact, and we can call it belief. And how does that work in English, in other words?



Would also like to change this sentence (moving the modifier WELL DRAWN before demarcation and making it WELL-DRAWN), but did not because it may be just exactly as you want it. If I did change it, it would read as follows, and make the sentence less complex (however, I feel it slightly changes the intent):



As to the well-drawn demarcation lines, there is still room for equitable transfers of reinforcing information, despite the confidence in current belief.

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“And also Luke 8:12 KJV Those by the way side are they that hear;

then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

And in that verse the devil take the word so that they cannot believe.”
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“It says in Luke 8:12: ‘Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.’ Do you see? he devil takes the word so that they cannot believe.”

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Luke 8: 12 “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved."

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Luke 8:12 “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”

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To me, being so far incapable of accepting all the words in The Word (drawing the line in at least one place), the above makes sense in that The Word is (indirectly or directly) Hate Evil.



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To me, being so far incapable of accepting all the words in The Word, drawing the line in at least one place, the above makes sense in that The Word is (indirectly or directly) Hate Evil.

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And such things, being Evil, and such things being deceptive, can be the False Front of Global Warming hiding the fact that productive people are providing the means by which we suffer, having Aluminum and Barium sprayed into the atmosphere causing Global Warming so that the few most powerful among us can inspire us to pay them even more of the stuff that provides the means by which we suffer?



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And such things, being Evil, and such things being deceptive can be the False Front of Global Warming…hiding the fact that productive people are providing the means by which we suffer…having Aluminum and Barium sprayed into the atmosphere causing Global Warming so that the few most powerful among us can inspire us to pay them even more of the stuff that provides the means by which we suffer?

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Watch Video: Storm Clouds Gathering4

Watch Video: The Natural Rights Foundation5 (bear links)



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Watch Video: Storm Clouds Gathering4

Watch Video: The Natural Rights Foundation5 (bear links)

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The Rebels in 1776, for example were genuine agents of good government when they avoided resort to deceit upon the innocent, and when they avoided resort to threats of violence upon the innocent, and when they avoided resort to violence upon the innocent.



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The Rebels in 1776, for example, were genuine agents of good government when they avoided resort to deceit upon the innocent, and when they avoided resort to threats of violence upon the innocent, and when they avoided resort to violence upon the innocent.

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“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” Sam Adams



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Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, What should be the reward of such sacrifices? Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! —Sam Adams

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I have to get work done. I stopped the Tom Woods video on a very good suggestion by Tom Woods and we can play along. I will hit this ball back in your side of the court and ask you to offer the Top 10 Questions that will not be asked during the Election Debates (which I won't be watching without a representative of Liberty allowed into the "debates") and then when I get more free time (ha, ha) I will offer my Top 10 Questions That will be censored from History, or whatever title works best for these Top 10 Questions.



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I have to get work done. I stopped the Tom Woods video on a very good suggestion by Tom Woods, and we can play along. I will hit this ball back in your side of the court and ask you to offer the Top 10 Questions that will not be asked during the Election Debates (which I won't be watching without a representative of Liberty allowed into the "debates"). And then when I get more free time (ha, ha), I will offer my Top 10 Questions That will be censored from History, or whatever title works best for these Top 10 Questions.

In an effort to differentiate bear words from the rest of the book words I changed bear font to Angsana New 11 and italicized it and set the font size to 12. I don’t know that his was a good move. You see what you think.

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In this chapter you will find various concepts, things, and actions compared with one another; thus lifting the cloak of deception so that one might peer into well-lit rooms where truth illumines thru comparison. The concept that falsehoods are dressed up to masquerade as truth, and that these costumes are worn by people, is necessary to understand in order to expose the lies perpetrated upon humankind. When we look within the costume and find the person, the Criminal is exposed and perhaps the people bound can be unfettered. While things cannot be held accountable for the actions of individuals, bear continues to feel that certain costumes are better used to conceal the culprit(s) and to enhance the charade in the oppression of humanity.



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In this chapter you will find various concepts, things, and actions compared with one another, thus, lifting the cloak of deception so that one might peer into well-lit rooms where truth illumines thru comparison. The concept that falsehoods are dressed up to masquerade as truth, and that these costumes are worn by people, is necessary to understand in order to expose the lies perpetrated upon humankind. When we look within the costume and find the person, the Criminal is exposed, and perhaps the people bound can be unfettered. While things cannot be held accountable for the actions of individuals, bear continues to feel that certain costumes are better used to conceal the culprit(s) and to enhance the charade in the oppression of humanity.

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Having managed to get to this point a reader may find the chaotic arrangement of English symbols oddly readable, as the information flow inspires many conflicting emotions including boredom on one end of a scale and then, perhaps, something resembling epiphany on the other end, as if to say to oneself, that is a novel idea, so why did I not see that, in that way, before now?



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Having managed to get to this point, a reader may find the chaotic arrangement of English symbols oddly readable as the information flow inspires many conflicting emotions including boredom on one end of a scale, and then perhaps, something resembling epiphany on the other end. As if to say to oneself, “That is a novel idea, so why did I not see that, in that way, before now?”


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The concept of willful intent may be worth considering in any case. I've thought about this some. It is possible to be less dangerous to life on earth in general, and less dangerous to one life on earth specifically, to be suffering from a dictator who is willfully, knowingly, distorting the truth, whereby the actual goal is thoughtful, measured, and finite, whereby the victim is to be squeezed, and bled, and suffering to a point just short of death. While on the other hand the dictator who merely parrots a lie, where the parroting dictator believes the lie, may not be as well governed, and the subjects are, or subject is, tortured and then murdered, for their own good: according to the well-meaning, but evil, dictator.

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The concept of willful intent may be worth considering in any case. I've thought about this some. It is possible to be less dangerous to life on earth in general and less dangerous to one life on earth specifically. To be suffering from a dictator who is willfully, knowingly distorting the truth whereby the actual goal is thoughtful, measured and finite. Whereby the victim is to be squeezed and bled, suffering to a point just short of death. While on the other hand, the dictator who merely parrots a lie, and the parroting dictator believes the lie, may not be as well governed. And the subject(s) are tortured and then murdered for their own good, according to the well-meaning, but evil dictator.

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1. Willful, purposeful, deceivers who dictate those deceptions, threats, and violence, while knowing their deceptions are false.

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1. Willful, purposeful deceivers who dictate those deceptions, threats, and violence while knowing their deceptions are false.

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Which brings back to my mind the words of Henry Ford:

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This brings back to my mind the words of Henry Ford:

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“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
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“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
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As I was beginning to edit punctuation on Joe Quote on page 17, I realized it was different from Joe Quote at the beginning of the Chapter on page 15 so I have made page 15 to reflect the quote on page 17.

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As with counterfeit religion (crusades, inquisition, end times) the thing being counterfeited is often opposite the genuine article, and knowing this ought to clue the person knowing this on the actual tool being counterfeited, as to why it was counterfeited, and what the genuine article was actually designed to accomplish.

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As with counterfeit religion (crusades, inquisition, end times), the thing being counterfeited is often opposite the genuine article. Knowing this ought to clue the person knowing this in on the actual tool being counterfeited, as to why it was counterfeited, and what the genuine article was actually designed to accomplish.

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Exactly as opposite as is religion opposite false religion, and here is where this meaning may only make sense to someone who is truly religious, since non-religious people or false religious people may consider all religion to be false. So the analogy does not work for them, but suffice to say that an honest factual communication of truth, such as "do not look directly at the sun for more than a few seconds because you will harm your eyes," is opposite a lie such as "please stare at the sun for as long as you can stand it because that is the right way to make your eyes work better for you."

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Exactly as opposite as religion is opposite false religion, and here is where this meaning may only make sense to someone who is truly religious, since non-religious people or false religious people may consider all religion to be false. So the analogy does not work for them, but suffice to say that an honest factual communication of truth, such as, "Do not look directly at the sun for more than a few seconds because you will harm your eyes," is opposite a lie such as, "Please stare at the sun for as long as you can stand it because that is the right way to make your eyes work better for you."

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The word Union has a much greater significance now that I can apply it to the Union of Law professionals, which is specifically designed to be monopolistic. To thereby make Law Power scarce so as to make the cost of Law unaffordable for specific people targeted for exploitation.

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The word Union has a much greater significance now that I can apply it to the Union of Law professionals, which is specifically designed to be monopolistic to thereby make Law Power scarce, so as to make the cost of Law unaffordable for specific people targeted for exploitation.

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Can I pile more hard work on you by rewriting your sentence above so as to reinforce the new keys that you now have in your control?

"I was born 49 years ago. I only know how Legal Crime is used by individuals today. I know how Legal Crime is used by decision makers in Legal Crime."

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Can I pile more hard work on you by rewriting your sentence above so as to reinforce the new keys that you now have in your control?

"I was born 49 years ago. I only know how [Legal Crime] is used by individuals today. I know how [Legal Crime] is used by decision makers in [Legal Crime]."

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Joe, I need some help:

Page 18:

I am having trouble making sense of these words. I have a fuzzy fealing of what they mean, but by the time I get to the end of the paragraph, I do not completely understand:

Our government is God's law according to you, and I can almost share that entire version of law according to you. But the words that I think I would use at this time are Common Law, or Natural Law, or God's Law, as our government, which is a voluntary agreement subject to revision, but based upon the same voluntary government avoiding deceit, threats, and violence willfully perpetrated upon the innocent.

That above is how the paragraph currently reads as I had previously changed a word and punctuation. And still feel the need to do something with it.

Originally it was written as follows:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2815776
Our government is God's law, according to you, and I can almost share all of that version of law according to you, but the words that I think I would use, at this time, is Common Law, or Natural Law, or God's Law, as our government, which is a voluntary agreement, subject to revision, but based upon the same voluntary government, avoiding deceit, threats, and violence willfully perpetrated upon the innocent.


Can you see in your way of thinking a way to make the meaning more clear?

Thanks!

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40 some odd years

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I am not asking you to bla, bla, bla; not me.

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I am not asking you to bla, bla, bla; not me.

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I am pointing out for your consideration, the very serious closed loop falsehood

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I am pointing out for your consideration, the very serious closed-loop falsehood

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This is fundamental and if anyone challenges you on socialism versus capitalism then consider the possibility of challenging THEM on the verb, not the noun.

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This is fundamental. And if anyone challenges you on socialism versus capitalism, then consider the possibility of challenging THEM on the verb, not the noun.

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bear,

Here is the sentence:

Our government is God's law, according to you, and I can almost share all of that version of law according to you, but the words that I think I would use, at this time, is Common Law, or Natural Law, or God's Law, as our government, which is a voluntary agreement, subject to revision, but based upon the same voluntary government, avoiding deceit, threats, and violence willfully perpetrated upon the innocent.

I can restate the meaning as this:

Our shared understanding is such that God is the power governing all creation, you are much more specific as to what is or is not God's Law, and I merely confess that I don't know much about those Laws that govern us, I can be satisfied with calling these Laws that govern us by using the word Natural Law, or even Common Law, so long as government is then understood to be our shared understanding to avoid harming each other.

That is a different way of saying the same thing, and I don't know if you think one is better than the other, or if one can help the other in constructing a even better version.

I can try again with another competitive example, if you think it may help in conveying the intended message without too much error or confusion.


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Thank you for the words, Joe. I have incorporated some of your new words into the paragraph and have come up with the following to page 18:

Our government is God's law according to you, and I can almost share that entire version of law according to you. But the words that I think I would use at this time are Natural Law, or even Common Law, so long as government is then understood to be our shared understanding to avoid harming each other. Such a government that is a voluntary agreement subject to revision and based upon avoiding deceit, threats, and violence willfully perpetrated upon the innocent.

If you would prefer something different, you can tell me now or make changes when the ball is back to you. Thank you for your help :)

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When I speak of getting a key, for example, it is illustrative, a verb, illustrative, illustrating, communicating, acting, action, moving, doing; not static, set, unmoving, fixed, and inert, and power-less.

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When I speak of getting a key, for example: it is illustrative, a verb, illustrative, illustrating, communicating, acting, action, moving, doing; NOT static, set, unmoving, fixed, and inert, and power-less.

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What is the meaning behind the employment of the words "Private" and "Public"?

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What is the meaning behind the employment of the words Private and Public?

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When does a person stop being "private" and then the same person becomes "public?"

When does a person stop being "private" and then that same person becomes "public"?

When does someone stop being "Employer" and become "Employee?"

When does someone stop being "Lender" and become "Borrower?"

When does someone stop being "capitalist" and become "socialist?"


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When does a person stop being "private" and then that same person becomes "public"?

When does someone stop being "Employer" and become "Employee"?

When does someone stop being "Lender" and become "Borrower"?

When does someone stop being "capitalist" and become "socialist"?

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Libraries are collectivism manifestations: things. Things that exist travel as many individuals transfer things, flowing, moving, things currently flowing from many places; then the flow of things flows into one collected collectivist flowing collection of flow, as the collective sum of things flow into the collected place called a Library. What happens if no one reads?

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Libraries are collectivism manifestations: things. Things that exist and travel as many individuals transfer things, flowing, moving things; currently flowing from many places, and then the flow of things flows into one collected, collectivist, flowing collection of flow, as the collective sum of things flow into the collected place called a Library. What happens if no one reads?

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Why is "collective" being used in a sentence as if a boogie man lurks in the darkness of "collective" things?

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Why is collective being used in a sentence as if a boogie man lurks in the darkness of "collective" things?

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A bank is a "collective" thing where individuals store individual things flowing; flowing along mediums of exchange, flowing currently from all the individual places, flowing along the avenues, many individual places, flowing into the one bank, collectivizing, collecting, collectivism, collections, like passing a collection plate in church, collectivizing, collections, of collectivism and within that thing lies the boogie man?

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A bank is a "collective" thing where individuals store individual things, flowing: flowing along mediums of exchange, flowing currently from all the individual places, flowing along the avenues, many individual places, flowing into the one bank, collectivizing, collecting, collectivism, collections, like passing a collection plate in church, collectivizing, collections, of collectivism. And within that thing lies the boogie man?

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Consider the disadvantages of inaccurate currency as opposed to accurate currency demonstrated as a comparison.

1. Perhaps their goals were Equitable Socialism as opposed to Collective Socialism.

2. Perhaps their goals were Equitable Commerce as opposed to Crime made Legal.

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Consider the disadvantages of inaccurate currency as opposed to accurate currency demonstrated as a comparison:

1. Perhaps their goals were Equitable Socialism as opposed to Collective Socialism.

2. Perhaps their goals were Equitable [Commerce] as opposed to [Crime made Legal].

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The competitive version (2.) is demonstrable in fact as Equitable Commerce continues on today, in fact, in measurable fact where it is measurably, factually, occurring today; while at the same time, and in stark contrast, the opposite also occurs today where Crime continues to be made Legal in the form of what can be called by many names such as: The Dollar Hegemony, The World Reserve Currency, The Legal Money Monopoly Power, Wall Street, The Federal Reserve System of Fraud/The Federal Income Tax Extortion Racket, and U.S.A. Inc. (LLC).

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The competitive version (2.) is demonstrable, in fact, as Equitable Commerce continues on today, in fact, in measurable fact where it is measurably, factually occurring today. While at the same time and in stark contrast, the opposite also occurs today where Crime continues to be made Legal in the form of what can be called by many names such as: The Dollar Hegemony, The World Reserve Currency, The Legal Money Monopoly Power, Wall Street, The Federal Reserve System of Fraud/The Federal Income Tax Extortion Racket, and U.S.A. Inc. (LLC).

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You have the key but you don't use it?

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You have the key, but you don't use it?

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So the boogie man socialism is rendered null and void, mere vapor, and now a new boogie man shows up called "collectivism?"

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So the boogie man “socialism” is rendered null and void, mere vapor, and now a new boogie man shows up called “collectivism”?

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Is there ever an end to the current flow of things to be held accountable for the actions of people?

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Is there ever an end to the current flow of things to be held accountable for the actions of people?

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"If one is forced into a collective situation as far as I can understand they are no longer sovereign."

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"If one is forced into a collective situation, as far as I can understand, they are no longer sovereign."

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Then what? Everyone is separated from everyone else completely because every single connecting medium has been corrupted by a few people to the detriment of everyone else?

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Then what? Everyone is separated from everyone else
–completely- because every single connecting medium has been corrupted by a few people to the detriment of everyone else?

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1. "If one is forced into a collective situation as far as I can understand they are no longer sovereign."

2. "If one victim is willfully forced by a criminal to make the victim less powerful so as to make the criminal more powerful, as far as I can understand, the victim is no longer sovereign by that exact measure of that power being transferred that inequitable way precisely as it happens in time and place."

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1. "If one is forced into a collective situation, as far as I can understand, they are no longer sovereign."

2. “If one [victim] is [willfully] forced [by a criminal to make the victim less powerful, so as to make the criminal more powerful], as far as I can understand, [the victim is] no longer sovereign [by that exact measure of that power being transferred that inequitable way, precisely, as it happens in time and place].”

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One sentence demonizes a thing, blaming a thing for the actions of a person, in such a way as to be so ambiguous as to be interpretable in any way anyone cares to interpret that sentence, even to the point of meaning one thing one second and the opposite thing the next second.

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One sentence demonizes a thing: blaming a thing for the actions of a person in such a way as to be so ambiguous, so as to be interpretable in any way anyone cares to interpret that sentence, even to the point of meaning one thing one second and the opposite thing the next second.

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If the goal is to enslave another individual, with a hammer, or with that power of sovereignty commanded by that individual, then there is an English word for that sovereign act by that sovereign individual, and the word may be useful or not.

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If the goal is to enslave another individual, with a hammer, or with that power of sovereignty commanded by that individual, then there is an English word for that sovereign act by that sovereign individual, and the word may be useful, or not.

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Ya, know...Joe, I have a bone to pick with you. Everytime I read this, I think it, but have said nothing. But tonight I am going to say, "You, Joe, had a knee-jerk reaction because I said the word socialism." Here. I said this:

"Today we are in a system whereby we are forced coercively to participate in a collective socialist system which is beholden to crony capitalism."

And then you said:

Socialism must be demonized by you, or you don't feel good about your use of time and energy while you still have that power?

And then you said this: Why does capitalism get the pre-qualifier while socialism arrives without such fine print?

And now I am going to answer:

I did put a pre-qualifier before socialism. I used the pre-qualifier collective on the heals talking about voluntary associations. I was trying in my ever-so-poor way to say involuntary collective socialism. I did give socialism a pre-qualifier.

People being involuntarily, collected and forced into an involuntary socialist system. Here is the whole paragraph in context:

"That is why you have helped me understand voluntary association. That is why each state should have its own voluntary system whereby people vote with their feet if they do not like the system. However, we do not find ourselves in that situation today. Today we are in a system whereby we are forced coercively to participate in a collective socialist system which is beholden to crony capitalism."

I think you had a knee-jerk reaction! And I think that everytime I read that exchange.

OK, please excuse this cowardice, toothless, parasidic-ridden bear outburst. I'll get back to work now :)

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"To me it is like you telling me I don’t care what color the Republicans say they are. I say they are blue. They were blue and they are blue. I don’t care if everyone else now says they are red because they changed from blue to red. Don’t you dare call them red. They are blue. And I say When a rose changes colors it is time to take note and change words."

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Writing Dialogue

Write each person's spoken words, however brief, as a separate paragraph. Use commas to set off dialogue tags such as "she said" or "he explained." If one person's speech goes on for more than one paragraph, use quotation marks to open the dialogue at the beginning of each paragraph. However, do not use closing quotation marks until the end of the final paragraph where that character is speaking.

and http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/02/

Quotations within a Quotation

Use single quotation marks to enclose quotes within another quotation.

The reporter told me, "When I interviewed the quarterback, he said they simply 'played a better game.'"


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“To me it is like you telling me, ‘I don’t care what color the Republicans say they are. I say they are blue. They were blue and they are blue. I don’t care if everyone else now says they are red because they changed from blue to red. Don’t you dare call them red! They are blue.’

“And I say, ‘When a rose changes colors it is time to take note and change words.’”

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"It is entertaining and fun to me and it is also work to try to apply new concepts to my thinking."

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"It is entertaining and fun to me, and it is also work to try to apply new concepts to my thinking."

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Carl Miller, if I remember right, says: "If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right."

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Carl Miller, if I remember right, says: If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right.

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"I am not my own, I belong to everyone else, and this little space, this little place, I have found in writing and learning belongs to me. That may not make much sense to you, but it does to me. If that about me makes it so I am not qualified we need to know that. At the same time I need to have respect for the seriousness of the matter and the work you are about. I know it is serious. It is probably a coping mechanism for me not to think of the gravity involved; that being the complete disregard for human life and the bodies stacked high to heaven."

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"I am not my own; I belong to everyone else, and this little space, this little place, I have found in writing and learning belongs to me. That may not make much sense to you, but it does to me. If that about me makes it so I am not qualified, we need to know that. At the same time I need to have respect for the seriousness of the matter and the work you are about. I know it is serious. It is probably a coping mechanism for me not to think of the gravity involved: that being the complete disregard for human life and the bodies stacked high to heaven."

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In context, to me, you have worked yourself, while making the best of it, into a very important victory. As stated earlier, identification of a closed loop in your own mind is a huge victory; almost incomprehensibly impossible to do alone, and if that has happened, then I am privileged to be a miniscule measure of help in that very serious battle and that very important victory.

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In context, to me, you have worked yourself, while making the best of it, into a very important victory. As stated earlier, identification of a closed loop in your own mind is a huge victory. Almost incomprehensibly impossible to do alone, and if that has happened, then I am privileged to be a miniscule measure of help in that very serious battle and that very important victory.

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"I can say when the cubs are involved a mama bear does come out, with claws. Maybe I just talk big."

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“I can say, when the cubs are involved, a mama bear does come out with claws. Maybe I just talk big.”

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The messages are what they are separate from the messenger.

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The messages are what they are, separate from the messenger.

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OK, please excuse this cowardice, toothless, parasidic-ridden bear outburst. I'll get back to work now
One of many repetitive faults are mine to either repeat or stop repeating, is this example being exemplified in this way, and it welcome, and it is appreciated, having help in recognizing the error, so as to have a way to stop repeating the error.

Thanks again.

 

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And I always thought myself to be a cute, sweet, kind and gentle, friendly, little bear.

like this: http://www.dailypaul.com/user/50163 (and if I were as smart as Sergey, I could put a picture here. But you will have to click the link if you want to see.)

Now look at me:

...a cowardice, toothless, parasidic-ridden bear...

This is a rather disturbing sight, if you ask me. Parasites of suggestion have now infected my mind.


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If Legal Criminals could, it seems to me, they would have all the females (except their close nit group) plotting to torture and murder all the males, and of course to balance things out they would have all the males plotting to torture and murder all the females.

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If Legal Criminals could, it seems to me, they would have all the females (except their close nit group) plotting to torture and murder all the males, and of course to balance things out, they would have all the males plotting to torture and murder all the females.

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You used the term, if I remember right, man haters?

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You used the term, if I remember right, man haters?

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To me it does not matter; a female brain in a male body. I don't have anything against that individual, if that is how that individual exists, that way, without question. I don't know; it seems to be possible, very real for them, but my questions concern how does that happen? Is it natural, meaning is it separate from a man-made alteration in genetics, or on the other hand, are there things being done willfully by people to cause those changes in genetics: done on purpose to cause specific things to happen?

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To me it does not matter: a female brain in a male body. I don't have anything against that individual, if that is how that individual exists, that way, without question. I don't know. It seems to be possible, very real for them, but my questions concern, how does that happen? Is it natural? Meaning is it separate from a man-made alteration in genetics, or on the other hand, are there things being done willfully by people to cause those changes in genetics: done on purpose to cause specific things to happen?

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And most people can't even ask this question if they are still assuming that "our" government is merely making mistakes when perpetual war for perpetual peace to save the children goes wrong for fully 2 centuries now.

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And most people can't even ask this question if they are still assuming that "our" government is merely making mistakes when perpetual war for perpetual peace to save the children goes wrong for fully 2 centuries now.

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Bloom appears to be infected with that nonsense, despite his obvious capacity to know much more about specific things than most everyone. He is a genius, one of a kind, and I have discussed my Joe's Law perspective with him on Skype. He responded to Joe's Law with, "That looks right to me," or some other positive reinforcement in other words; I did not quote him verbatim.

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Bloom appears to be infected with that nonsense, despite his obvious capacity to know much more about specific things than most everyone. He is a genius, one of a kind, and I have discussed my Joe's Law perspective with him on Skype. He responded to Joe's Law with: That looks right to me, or some other positive reinforcement in other words; I did not quote him verbatim.

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I can say without reservation that I think that Howard Bloom is the genuine article, a genius, and he means well, so there should be a significant amount of consideration, on my part at least, given to what he has to say.

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I can say without reservation that I think that Howard Bloom is the genuine article, a genius, and he means well. So there should be a significant amount of consideration, on my part at least, given to what he has to say.

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In other words, wars do not happen by accident, or randomly: they are driven by the deliberate willpower of specific people in flesh and blood.

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In other words, wars do not happen by accident or randomly: they are driven by the deliberate willpower of specific people in flesh and blood.

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It looks like you believe the words typed by the reporter. Modern Times still exists in many forms, who says that it "did not grow beyond a village?”

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It looks like you believe the words typed by the reporter. Modern Times still exists in many forms, who says that it "did not grow beyond a village”?

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It was not labor-for-labor as in "The Labor Theory of Value." So that sentence is typically half true, failing to even touch upon the concept of TIME or ACTION. There is no mention of the COST principle; and therefore, the actual message by Warren is not simply discarded; it is falsified. Then the author claims that some THING creates a sovereign individual, which is patently absurd, because GOD creates sovereign individuals who are sovereign once they become independent beings past the stage of growth where the being, the living being, the living human being, as a child is nurtured by other people, parents, in a family, or if possible, but not likely: the child somehow manages to become independent and SOVEREIGN without parents, without a family, a real family, not a counterfeit family, a good family of good people doing good things like nurturing, not torturing, children.

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It was not labor-for-labor as in "The Labor Theory of Value." So that sentence is typically half true, failing to even touch upon the concept of TIME or ACTION. There is no mention of the COST principle; and therefore, the actual message by Warren is not simply discarded, it is falsified. Then the author claims that some THING creates a sovereign individual, which is patently absurd, because GOD creates sovereign individuals. Individuals who are sovereign once they become independent beings past the stage of growth where the being, the living being, the living human being, as a child, is nurtured by other people. Parents, in a family, or if possible but not likely, the child somehow manages to become independent and SOVEREIGN without parents, without a family, a real family (not a counterfeit family), a good family of good people doing good things like nurturing, not torturing, children.

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I have a need to measure the accuracy of my viewpoint and so I offer words intending to communicate that viewpoint.

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I have a need to measure the accuracy of my viewpoint, and so I offer words intending to communicate that viewpoint.

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The topic of prejudice arises and that thing, prejudice, or that action, prejudice, is shown as a tool: A tool for the use in perpetrating crime. Another costume: Prejudice.

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The topic of prejudice arises, and that thing: prejudice, or that action: prejudice, is shown as a tool; a tool for use in perpetrating crime. Another costume: Prejudice.

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bear: "Do you already know about this or am I telling you something new?"

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bear: "Do you already know about this, or am I telling you something new?"

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If it works to call the competition Black, while plotting evil to be done to the competition, then that works for liars.

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If it works to call the competition Black, while plotting evil to be done to the competition, then that works for liars.

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I did not get the aversion to darker skin bug, so I like it when my skin turns darker in the sun. What is the problem with darker skin?

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I did not get the “aversion to darker skin” bug, so I like it when my skin turns darker in the sun. What is the problem with darker skin?

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“Without prejudice” is a term, a pair of words in English; that may be worth knowing better.

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“Without prejudice” is a term...a pair of words in English...that may be worth knowing better.

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I did not look at the links. I prefer to stay out of those types of fights when it looks like argument for the sake of argument with prejudice against those who know better. What is the point?

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I did not look at the links. I prefer to stay out of those types of fights when it looks like argument, for the sake of argument, with prejudice against those who know better. What is the point?

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Thanks for keeping the Speer information up to date, I've been running out of time of late, barely finding time to play the guitar, and my political/economy work has been focusing on Carl Miller as I'm making a reading list.

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Thanks for keeping the Speer information up to date. I've been running out of time of late, barely finding time to play the guitar, and my political/economy work has been focusing on Carl Miller as I'm making a reading list.

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I know that a person may be born with darker skin, so they are darker skin because of their genetic make-up, a race if you will, a genetic make-up that is specific to a set of human characteristics.

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I know that a person may be born with darker skin, so they are darker skinned because of their genetic make-up, a race if you will, a genetic make-up that is specific to a set of human characteristics.

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I don't normally spend much time on this subject; hence my ignorance about someone who is called a Jew or people who call themselves Jews.

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I don't normally spend much time on this subject; hence, my ignorance about someone who is called a Jew or people who call themselves Jews.

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I don't know how to judge the future but by judging the past. So I prejudge the future based upon the past, knowing that I can be wrong

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I don't know how to judge the future, but by judging the past. So I prejudge the future based upon the past, knowing that I can be wrong.

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This is along the lines of thinking dynamically and not thinking in terms of THINGS being static: for us to use our brains as in a verb. As in “use it:” not possess it.

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This is along the lines of thinking dynamically and not thinking in terms of THINGS being static...for us to use our brains as in a verb: As in “use it,” not possess it.

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So prejudice, so defined as exemplified by insurance, is one thing. And then the idea is to use your brain to compare that one THING with a counterfeit version of it whereby the user intends to resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence upon the targeted innocent people being targeted, and then to cover up those crimes with the word prejudice.

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So prejudice, so defined, as exemplified by insurance, is one thing. And then the idea is to use your brain to compare that one THING with a counterfeit version of it whereby the user intends to resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence upon the targeted innocent people being targeted, and then to cover up those crimes with the word prejudice.

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The context here is my offering of words which are intending to convey specific, and not ambiguous, meaning. My intent is to convey a competitive perspective INTACT and to avoid having the competitive perspective misread, or misunderstood, so as to avoid any distortion.

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The context here is my offering of words which are intending to convey specific, not ambiguous, meaning

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And the reason I am saying that has to do with a person first checking their own mind to see if their own mind is the source of their fears as they may then be inspired to project that lie outward from within.

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And the reason I am saying that has to do with a person first checking their own mind, to see if their own mind is the source of their fears, as they may then be inspired to project that lie outward from within.

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The first stone, it turns out, is a lie. The lie enters the victim’s brain, and then the victim begins to employ the lie, believing that the lie is true; then that belief in that lie inspires evil, inspires the infected person to pass on the lie to their "friends," which is evil and deceptive. Not willfully deceptive, since the infected individual is by definition infected, a "true believer," and so the lie spreads. And who benefits?

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The first stone, it turns out, is a lie. The lie enters the victim’s brain, and then the victim begins to employ the lie, believing that the lie is true. Then that belief in that lie inspires evil, inspires the infected person to pass on the lie to their "friends," which is evil and deceptive. Not willfully deceptive, since the infected individual is by definition infected, a "true believer," and so the lie spreads. And who benefits?

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Imagine spending your whole life living a lie, and on the last day, you realize it. Poor me?

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Imagine spending your whole life living a lie, and on the last day, you realize it: Poor me?

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The original inventor of the lies, or those who know better than to actually believe the lie, and use the lie even if they have not invented the lie, benefit. Or so they calculate as their targeted victims are at each other’s throats inspired by that lie; victims growing weaker during the conflict, or the victims of the lie are separated and apart from each other, no longer benefiting from mutual benefit, whereby the lie causes either separation or conflict. Both being destructive in a relative sense, the targets grow weaker either way.

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The original inventor of the lies (or those who know better than to actually believe the lie, but use the lie even if they have not invented the lie) benefit, or so they calculate, as their targeted victims are at each other’s throats, inspired by that lie. Victims grow weaker during the conflict, or the victims of the lie are separated and apart from each other, no longer benefiting from mutual benefit, whereby the lie causes either separation or conflict. Both being destructive in a relative sense: the targets grow weaker either way.

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If the goal of separation for all those white supremacist, skin head, neo-Nazis is to have nothing to do with the people they prefer not to have anything to do with, then relatively speaking, there would be a loss of at least one thing worth trading between one member of one group and another member of another group.

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If the goal of separation for all those white supremacist, skin head neo-Nazis is to have nothing to do with the people they prefer not to have anything to do with, then relatively speaking, there would be a loss of at least one thing worth trading between one member of one group and another member of another group.

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The base of the evil is merely evil; it is a desire to destroy. The coverings invented to hide the evil are legion, pick from the hat, any excuse will do, but specific excuses do tend to fit the occasion better than less powerful ones.

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The base of the evil is merely evil. It is a desire to destroy. The coverings invented to hide the evil are legion. Pick from the hat, any excuse will do, but specific excuses do tend to fit the occasion better than less powerful ones.

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But when the innocent person targeted is not the same color: the race card lie works perfectly.

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But when the innocent person targeted is not the same color, the race card lie works perfectly.

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How do I know all this, you may ask, as I ask myself; and what comes to mind is the hatred I feel when thinking about evil people who lie, where they know their lies are invented to cover up their crimes, and where their crimes include the torture and murder of children on a regular basis.

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How do I know all this? You may ask, as I ask myself. And what comes to mind is the hatred I feel when thinking about evil people who lie, where they know their lies are invented to cover up their crimes, and where their crimes include the torture and murder of children on a regular basis.

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Joe, I cannot understand why the word falsify is used in this paragraph. Can you please help me understand.

I have to work to diffuse my own hatred, which can run very deep into my soul, as my mind is apt to invent any excuse that will excuse an outbreak of violence on my part, and the excuse intends to accomplish evil, to falsify my true, base, destructive human tendencies.
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Wouldn't an outburst of evil tend to verify, confirm, validate or testify to true, base, destructive human tendencies?

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Which prejudice do you see when you see prejudice? Do you see the genuine tool, or do you see the lie that covers up "collective punishment?"

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Which prejudice do you see when you see prejudice? Do you see the genuine tool, or do you see the lie that covers up "collective punishment"?

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Beware, in case you come across that teaching it is not Biblical to Hate black people, but there are people who twist the Bible to make it say such things. Do not believe that twist. Beware. I am not being prejudiced by not listening to hateful people. I am not giving lies value or power by not entertaining or hearing them."

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Beware, in case you come across that teaching .It is not Biblical to Hate black people, but there are people who twist the Bible to make it say such things. Do not believe that twist. Beware. I am not being prejudiced by not listening to hateful people. I am not giving lies value or power by entertaining or hearing them."

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And when they speak, they tell me such things as the Jews have been promised, by God, a section of Real Estate of some notable value; by God those squatters already living in the Promised Land had better start packing or else.

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And when they speak, they tell me such things: As the Jews have been promised, by God, a section of Real Estate of some notable value, and by God those squatters already living in the Promised Land had better start packing or else.

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I ask “Or else what: torture and murder of the innocent?

They say, with a hint of relish, yes, or else, God says so.

I say or else they will be tortured and slaughtered for failing to obey the order to vacate the premises without question.

They say it is God's will.

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I ask, “Or else what: torture and murder of the innocent?”

They say, with a hint of relish, “Yes,” or else, “God says so.”

I say, “Or else they will be tortured and slaughtered for failing to obey the order to vacate the premises without question.”

They say, “It is God's will.”

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Collective punishment is the employment of a counterfeit form of prejudice whereby criminals (with or without badges) employ prejudice to cover up their crimes as if their crimes where somehow justifiable by this tool called prejudice.

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Collective punishment is the employment of a counterfeit form of prejudice whereby criminals (with or without badges) employ prejudice to cover up their crimes, as if their crimes were somehow justifiable by this tool called prejudice.

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Joe, I am seeing some very poor editing done on my part earlier on. I hope I don't continue that trend in this current edit effort. Thank you for your patience.

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The base of crime is for the criminal to target a victim, and by whichever means the act is covered up. The set of things done to cover up those crimes are LEGION, meaning of many forms, a tangled web, and an exponentially expanding universe of greater lies. More and more and more counterfeit prejudice or "collective punishment" is just one of many cover-ups, false fronts, excuses, false justifications, for the actual, willful, targeting, and then injuring of innocent people.

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The base of crime is for the criminal to target a victim, and by whatever means the act is covered up. The set of things done to cover up those crimes are LEGION, meaning of many forms: a tangled web and an exponentially expanding universe of greater lies, more and more and more counterfeit prejudice or "collective punishment" is just one of many cover-ups, false fronts, excuses, false justifications for the actual, willful, targeting, and then injuring of innocent people.

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On the use of falsify.

"Wouldn't an outburst of evil tend to verify, confirm, validate or testify to true, base, destructive human tendencies?"

I am trying to say that the use of the tool "excuse" is used as a tool used to falsify, hide, cover up, the true motive.


I have to work to diffuse my own hatred, which can run very deep into my soul, as my mind is apt to invent any excuse that will excuse an outbreak of violence on my part, and the excuse intends to accomplish evil, to falsify my true, base, destructive human tendencies.
I can invent "reasons," which can be called rationalizations, or "justifications," or apologies for a per-meditated use of violence, so the excuse is falsehood, evil, and so is the violence, but the invention of the falsehood is meant to falsify the violence.

Back to Solzhenitsyn on that relationship between falsehood and violence?

When heart, or soul, is employed into work, the product may, or may not, communicate that employment of power in that way, but you know it?

I see it.


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OK, I understand now. I just wasn't reading it right. Nevermind that I had been up since 4am and had to navigate multiple times in an unfamiliar town and had been sitting in one of those "Affordable Dentures" places where the video tape of their "offerings" continued to loop over and over and over again and the family next to me was a loud family and the lady was not a happy camper.

So, I understand falsify now. I am home and it is quiet. I missed church and everyone else is there and now I cannot understand what you mean by the words:

[quote} When heart, or soul, is employed into work, the product may, or may not, communicate that employment of power in that way, but you know it?

I see it.

I think I am overly tired because they sound like you are irritated at me. as in "you know it, WELL, I SEE it."

and I don't even know what I KNOW or what you SEE. I think I have hit my limit for today.

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I often wonder about how repetition works as we are repeated exposed to things that may or may not adversely affect us, or affect us in a positive way.

Constant bombardment of harmful radiation can be placed on a scale where the scale is constructed to begin to measure how constant bombardment, or repetition, of exposure to things may affect people like you, me, and everyone else.

Repetitive exposure to whatever makes someone happy, their most happy experiences ever, can be on the other end of the scale built for seeing how repetition works upon people.

People go in this direction and they find difficulties.

People go in this direction and they find happiness.

One of the possible affects of repetitive difficulties is to avoid that direction.

One of the possible affects of repetitive happiness is to go in that direction.

One of the possible affects of repetition is to see the thing repeating from different angles of view.

If you have this affect going on, where you see things from a different view, when things repeat, then, to me, there are competitive examples of how you see things that repeat.

You may see something that repeats from a viewpoint that is confusing.

Then you see something that repeats from a viewpoint that is less confusing.

The affect is less confusing viewpoints of things.

I don't know if that can help explain this:

When heart, or soul, is employed into work, the product may, or may not, communicate that employment of power in that way, but you know it?

I see it.

I don't know if writing that sentence again can convey the intended meaning.

I can work at it. I can put my heart in it. I can force my will upon my soul, to use my brain, and my power over my living being, and I can write the perspective I have in other words, and my product may, or many not, communicate the employment of my power in that way.

If I do not communicate well, it won't be due to a lack of effort, because I can repeat the effort, until I have no more power.

If I do not communicate well, it could be because no one wants to know what I perceive, or it could be that someone wanting to know is someone who is currently very tired.

The product is what it is, and if someone can see the effort put into the product, then someone can see it, and I do, I see the effort you put into the product of this book, as the sentences are becoming more consistent, and greater consistency, is greater repetition, which has an affect on people, and one probably affect is such that the reader has less work to do, and the intended perspective is easier to communicate effectively.


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We can share and compare notes as we suffer, as we say to each other, oh yea, that is where the IRS is getting away with that much crime; by IRS I don't mean a building, and by IRS I don't mean a title.

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We can share and compare notes as we suffer, as we say to each other, “Oh yea, that is where the IRS is getting away with that much crime.” By IRS I don't mean a building, and by IRS I don't mean a title.

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I think he is way out of his league, when it comes to the concept of political economy, based upon your current reports.

Removed comma ("when it comes to the concept of political economy" is necessary to the sentance. I left the last clause because that last phrase can be moved anywhere between the clauses and the sentences still makes the same sense See rule 4 and 8 on this page: http://owl.english.purdue .edu/owl/resource/607/02/.)

I think he is way out of his league when it comes to the concept of political economy, based upon your current reports.

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Why is it that risk is borne only by the borrower when he, or you, or I, consider this concept of "private loans?"

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Why is it that risk is borne only by the borrower when he, or you, or I, consider this concept of "private loans"?

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bear note to Joe. Everytime you asked me that question about the difference between public and private, my thought was, "How should I know?" I think that is why I never answered the question at first until you pressed me. It was something I had to think about, and really didn't even know if my final personal conclusion was correct. Anyways, I am fixing some punctuation:

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A person is said to be "private" one minute, and then something happens, and then the same person becomes "public," and then back to "private," then "public," so what happens?

Ended the sentence with a period and started a new one that contains only the question.

A person is said to be "private" one minute, and then something happens, and then the same person becomes "public," and then back to "private," then "public." So what happens?

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Two questions restated below, enumerated, and offered as a possible road toward greater understanding as the answer may answer both questions.

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OK Joe, I am going to tell you something. I have come to this segment:

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2. What constitutes the difference between "public" and "private?"

and I am having to look it up here: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/03/ because even though I just quoted you a bunch of rules about this over at the DP, I cannot apply the rule myself without going and checking because the answer is so against my ingrained training from NASA technical writing. But then again, maybe I was only putting commas and periods outside of quotes back then. I don't know.

OK here is the rule from that site:

Place a question mark or exclamation point within closing quotation marks if the punctuation applies to the quotation itself. Place the punctuation outside the closing quotation marks if the punctuation applies to the whole sentence.

Now I ask myself, well, they are talking about exact quote from people, not quotes about things...so now I go on another rule hunt: so I go here:

and find this:

Here is a quick chart of the differences: http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2011/08/punctuating-around-quotation-marks.html I will ad this link to my grammer resource segment here on your forum and I will come back later to figure out this answer (which I am sure I have already figured out before in my editing this time around.) See Joe, I have very poor retention, and it drives me crazy because I used to be able to remember everything.

To enclose a quotation, use…

American Style: Double quotation marks
British Style: Single quotation marks

To enclose a quotation within a quotation, use…

American Style: Single quotation marks
British Style: Double quotation marks

Place periods and commas…

American Style: Inside quotation marks
British Style: Outside quotation marks

Place other punctuation (colons, semi-colons, question marks, etc.)…

American Style: Outside quotation marks*
British Style: Outside quotation marks*

*Place other punctuation inside quotation marks when that punctuation is part of what is being quoted, such as a quoted question.
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So the answer to my question is:

2. What constitutes the difference between "public" and "private?"

should be:

2. What constitutes the difference between "public" and "private"? with the question mark outside of the quote because the quote is not the question

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I think also along this unsolved mystery path, as if we are both searching for a new key; a key that is currently out of view where in the darkness there is a faint image of the answer, and the answer appears to be forming in the form of two words as such:

Made into 2 sentences:

I think also along this unsolved mystery path, as if we are both searching for a new key. A key that is currently out of view where in the darkness there is a faint image of the answer, and the answer appears to be forming in the form of two words as such:

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Those criminal people want, demand, and get inequity. So how do they get it in the case of the Student loan compared to the Mortgage loan as a "standard of excellence" in the "loan" shark "business?"

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Those criminal people want, demand, and get inequity. So how do they get it in the case of the Student loan compared to the Mortgage loan as a "standard of excellence" in the "loan" shark "business"?

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More on this avenue, if you can bear it, is the method of comparative measure used to help know better as a Free Market (in the genuine sense and not in the counterfeit sense) example can illustrate the point better.

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More on this avenue, if you can bear it, is the method of comparative measure used to help know better, as a Free Market (in the genuine sense and not in the counterfeit sense) example can illustrate the point better.

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“when he says when people enter into a contract they need to keep their end of the bargain: "The Christian thing to do."

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“He says when people enter into a contract they need to keep their end of the bargain: "The Christian thing to do."

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Suffice to say that a potentially valuable student could be connected to a potentially valuable education more regularly, more abundantly, if a mechanism was in use (competition) by which investors were fighting over each other to pay the student the most money to get the students inspired to learn by that reward for that effort.

I thought competition was in place in the form of dollars per hour that the student is worth based upon the type of education the student completed. At least that was the way it used to be...when my dad went to school and was able to pay his way thru school by sacking groceries. That was before a college education cost $50K a year give or take.

But isn't the competition supposed to be in the hand of the student, not in the hand of the employer? Isn't that what supposedly made us a free society. Everyone was able to rise to the top based upon their own hard work and labor and not being dependent or beholden to an employer to provide that opportunity?

Those were the days before 60% in taxes and regulations skimmed from the pockets of Americans...and before the debt clock that explifies holes in the pockets of the wage earner which will never be patched as their hard work and labor fall thru thoughs holes and into the coffers of...the slave owners.

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In an upside down world good people are punished most, and bad people are rewarded most, so it may be a good idea to know better as to which mechanism is tabled for discussion?

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In an upside down world, good people are punished most, and bad people are rewarded most, so it may be a good idea to know better as to which mechanism is tabled for discussion?

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1. You are holding government accountable because you know the lie and you are using it now.

2. You are holding government accountable because you are victim to the lie, even now.

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1. You are holding government accountable because you know the lie and you are using it now?

2. You are holding government accountable because you are victim to the lie, even now?

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He said: “It is your money.”

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He said, “It is your money.”

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He said, “It was my money.”

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He said, “It is your money.”

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the Human Resources liar, another well paid liar

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the Human Resources liar, another well-paid liar

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guys are well paid liars,

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guys are well-paid liars,

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"The original words Goy and Ethnos refer to ‘peoples’ or ‘nations’."

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"The original words Goy and Ethnos refer to peoples or nations."

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Me?

You are warning me?

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Me? You are warning me?

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1. Why are risks charged inequitably to the borrower?

2. What constitutes the difference between “public” and “private”?

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1. Why are risks charged inequitably to the borrower?
2. What constitutes the difference between “public” and “private”?
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They nod.

I try harder.

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They nod. I try harder.
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I've been wrong often.

Back to competition:

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I've been wrong often. Back to competition:

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After all your hard work I can't imagine me finding anything to edit. This may be a book printing that is worth more than 25 copies.

If I get to that point, God willing, me having the power to do what I think is right too, then my thinking may be to bump up the number of books printed in the initial printing.

I have thought about various marketing ideas including an idea of asking people I know to give me 100 dollars for a copy. I inform them that I will then use that money to make more copies, and I can ask them to sell the book after they are done reading it, and if they sell the book for 90 dollars, then the book costs them 10 dollars, and I can tell them to tell the same story to whoever they sell the book too. I can even tell them that I will keep their 100 dollars until they sell the book, and I can even say that I will give them the 100 dollars back if they prefer their 100 dollars after some time expires between the initial equitable trade and the moment they decide that the trade was not at all equitable.

That is one example of one idea concerning marketing.


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I am inspired as I read Joe’s words about bear being a teacher to turn my finger and say, you, Joe, have been the teacher. I ask questions and you answer ever so generously and I will forever be in debt for the knowledge you have ever so kindly and patiently passed my way as you have had to continue to hammer home the same points over and over as my mind accepted and then resorted back to previous thought patterns..

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I am inspired as I read Joe’s words about bear being a teacher to turn my finger and say: You, Joe, have been the teacher. I ask questions, and you answer ever so generously. I will forever be in debt for the knowledge you have ever so kindly and patiently passed my way as you have had to continue to hammer home the same points over and over as my mind accepted and then reverted back to previous thought patterns.

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I thought competition was in place in the form of dollars per hour that the student is worth based upon the type of education the student completed. At least that was the way it used to be...when my dad went to school and was able to pay his way thru school by sacking groceries. That was before a college education cost $50K a year give or take.
The above words inspire me to respond with the idea of many competitive forms of competition compete with one monopoly of money form of competition. My point is that managed scarcity is in competition with abundance, and when there is managed scarcity there is, all around, evidence of managed scarcity being the condition of human life imposed upon the victims by the Legal Criminals who use the power created by the victims, power stolen by the Legal Criminals, to make power scarce for the victims, as that scarce power is abundant only for the Legal Criminals, and in such a world, where scarcity RULES, the concept of education mimics the concept of money, as the Legal Criminals make accurate information scarce, and the Legal Criminals make FALSEHOOD abundant, as the victims are set one against the other, divided, and conquered perpetually.

The competitive alternative to Legal Crime, Monopoly, falsehood, threats, and violence upon the innocent, by law, is what? What would the competitive alternative to Legal Crime be, how would the alternative to Legal Crime be manifested, measured, known, seen, as power was then used to make more power, and power was then abundant, including the power of accurate knowledge?

So I wrote:

Suffice to say that a potentially valuable student could be connected to a potentially valuable education more regularly, more abundantly, if a mechanism was in use (competition) by which investors were fighting over each other to pay the student the most money to get the students inspired to learn by that reward for that effort.

Example of investors paying the student the most money to learn something valuable to the investor include the concept of internship, apprenticeship, and in other words investing in passing on knowledge and skills to those who are then empowered to use scarce power to good use, starting out with less power in the morning, and ending up with more power at the end of the day, instead of training people to kill the targeted innocent victims before the trainee is targeted and killed by the targets.

I've been currently thinking about the concept of SECRETS and it is as if there is another dragon lurking in another dark room, and on occasion I see the whole thing, in clear view, but only for a moment, and then smoke and mirrors cover it up again.

I don't know if my words accomplish the goal intended.




But isn't the competition supposed to be in the hand of the student, not in the hand of the employer? Isn't that what supposedly made us a free society. Everyone was able to rise to the top based upon their own hard work and labor and not being dependent or beholden to an employer to provide that opportunity?
Equitable Commerce was read by me at a moment in my life when the information answered many of the questions I was currently working on at that time, as if I was playing three way chess and Mike, my cousin who is too busy these days to write here, hands me a Queen to place on the board in front of me.

When social connections are equitable, instead of social connections enforced by Fraud, Threats, and Violence upon the innocent, the word competition takes on a new meaning, a meaning that is no longer fraudulent, threatening, and violent upon the innocent, for fun and profit of the few "winners", at the expense of the many "losers".

Which competition are you viewing when you view competition?

Are you viewing Legal Crime competition?

Are you viewing Equitable Competition?

Are you viewing competition as if there is no clear discrimination between Legal Crime Competition and Equitable Competition and therefore much confusion is the result of having no clear demarcation understood as to which Competition is in view by you at any given moment in time and place?

Competition can be anyone, anytime, seeking to find the thoughts and actions unique to that individual, where their unique, individual, thoughts, and their unique, individual, actions are better thoughts, and better actions, compared to anyone else on the planet, because no one else thinks that way, as well, or acts that way, as well, in that time, and that place.

In other words, competition can be any person finding, more efficiently, the best place they can be, at the best time they can be in that best place, because in that best place at that best time that individual is better at doing what they do best in that place at that time.

In other words it is spelled out well enough in Equitable Commerce, if the reader can see what is being spelled out in Equitable Commerce, in my opinion.

Since my words fall so easily on deaf ears, I am thinking that I am probably seeing nothing of value, just an old man's incapacity to know better, and a false perspective of something better.

Since Stephen Pearl Andrews, and then Benjamin Tucker saw what I saw too, in Equitable Commerce, I can claim to be less alone, less misdirected, and in good company, knowing what I know to be true, but only slightly less doubtful as before finding their symbols arranged in the way they arranged their symbols, their signs on the road, offering a competitive viewpoint.

I may not have answered your questions at all.


Those were the days before 60% in taxes and regulations skimmed from the pockets of Americans...and before the debt clock that explifies holes in the pockets of the wage earner which will never be patched as their hard work and labor fall thru thoughs holes and into the coffers of...the slave owners.
So, knowing that, how can you see any manifestations of power independence, or power abundance, in any connection between any number of people anywhere on the planet Earth, where the Legal Crime Competition has not infected that connection to a point of almost total Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question?

I have no idea if my thinking is competitive at this point, other than the aforementioned arrangements of symbols arranged by those people mentioned in that order.

Josiah Warren, Stephen Pearl Andrews, and Benjamin R. Tucker.

I can add such arrangers of symbols as Lysander Spooner with the qualification of having in those symbols arranged by that person no references to Equitable Commerce as I understand Equitable Commerce to be what it is when it works the way it works in human interactions.

Life can be lonely, scarcity of agreement?

 

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Joe, do not talk to me, but I am sending this along because tomorrow is Father's Day, and you are a Father. You said this:

"Since my words fall so easily on deaf ears, I am thinking that I am probably seeing nothing of value, just an old man's incapacity to know better, and a false perspective of something better."

Wycliff: Proverbs 16:31 A crown of dignity is eld (age), that shall be found in the ways of rightfulness.

In otherwords:

It is a glory to be old when practice righteousness!

Geneva: Leviticus 19:32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary [white/aged] head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I [am] the LORD.

God has a place for old men :) Why? Because they have the wisdom and experience and deserve respect for the number of days they have lived on this earth.

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“2: a means of guaranteeing protection or safety”18

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Means, a word, BEING DEFINED according to an authoritative source? Google Search for “means definition.” I find:

italicized Means and Google in accordance with italics rules at the bottom of the page found at: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/1/
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Means, a word, BEING DEFINED according to an authoritative source? Google Search for “means definition,” I find:

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Indented the following text to set it apart:

means plural of means (Noun)

Noun:

1. An action or system by which a result is brought about.

2. Money; financial resources.

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Take out the word insurance and take out the word verb and in place of those words put in the definitions I found and then see how the sentence (Insurance is a verb.) becomes a clearer message.

An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.

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Take out the word insurance, and take out the word verb, and in place of those words, put in the definitions I found, and then see how the sentence (Insurance is a verb.) becomes a clearer message:
    An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.

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What is an action guaranteeing protection or safety; if those actions can be conveyed as one THING without having to list all the actions one at a time?

Insurance.

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What is an action guaranteeing protection or safety if those actions can be conveyed as one THING without having to list all the actions one at a time?
    Insurance.

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I wonder if that word “equitablist” has gained currency according to the Google measure of currency. If you remember; that word you invented did not previously exist by that same Google measure of currency. You created a new word in English, as no one other than you created that word and published it on the net.

Search the Web for the word Equitablist.

About 279 results (0.25 seconds)

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I wonder if that word equitablist has gained currency according to the Google measure of currency. If you remember; that word you invented did not previously exist by that same Google measure of currency. You created a new word in English, as no one other than you created that word and published it on the net.

Search the Web for the word Equitablist:
    About 279 results (0.25 seconds).

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This is a dragon you are fighting and that dragon is hinted at in the quote published by Erich Fromm on Karl Marx - if you have forgotten it I can re-publish it here.

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This is a dragon you are fighting, and that dragon is hinted at in the quote published by Erich Fromm on Karl Marx - if you have forgotten it I can re-publish it here.

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No, no need to foam at the mouth, I do not support Bolshevism, but "we" (U.S.A.) did through Wall Street and the money monopoly POWER, so don't blame me for Bolshevism (communism) - please.

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No, no need to foam at the mouth. I do not support Bolshevism, but "we" (U.S.A.) did through Wall Street and the money monopoly POWER, so don't blame me for Bolshevism (communism) - please.

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Romans 12:20 "Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."

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"Romans 12:20 ‘Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.’"

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Not to be confused with actions in self-defense when natural self-defense takes over when all other options (due diligence) are no longer available because some abhorrent criminal aggressively attacks you or someone else. Leaving no options left but self-defensive actions. And even then, as I have offered to you, why can't you have a device that can immobilize, without harming anyone, other than relatively harming them in the sense that they don't get to murder and torture someone, which to them is a loss of their valuable time and energy?

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Not to be confused with actions in self-defense (when natural self-defense takes over) when all other options (due diligence) are no longer available because some abhorrent criminal aggressively attacks you or someone else, leaving no options left but self-defensive actions. And even then, as I have offered to you, why can't you have a device that can immobilize without harming anyone (other than relatively harming them in the sense that they don't get to murder and torture someone, which to them is a loss of their valuable time and energy)?

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Do No Harm (including do not abandon victims to be tortured and murdered by criminals)

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Do No Harm (including do not abandon victims to be tortured and murdered by criminals).

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What is insurance?

An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.

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What is insurance?
    An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.

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Joe, I am back home and I have some chores to do and then I will try to work some. Tomorrow is an early morning so I cannot work too late tonight. I got to thinking I might sound like a dictator or a censor by saying, "Don't talk to me." I hope I did not come across that way. It was not my intention. I can talk to you, but you can't talk to me nanny nanny poo poo. :)

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What is Trial by Jury, the real thing, when it actually worked as intended, and crime was minimized, and punishments were typically simple fines charged to those found guilty of the few remaining crimes?

An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.

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What is Trial by Jury, the real thing, when it actually worked as intended and crime was minimized and punishments were typically simple fines charged to those found guilty of the few remaining crimes?
    An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.

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“The Biggest Game in Town.”20

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The Biggest Game in Town.20

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You may not want to dig too deep. There are many very sad things to witness on that path, very sad things, very destructive, demoralizing, evil things to witness, very, very, very, bad.

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You may not want to dig too deep. There are many very sad things to witness on that path: very sad things, very destructive, demoralizing, evil things to witness, very, very, very, bad.

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Lies are lies; that is what they are, and the liars don't, by definition, believe them. But a "true believer" in lies, by definition, is a sick person who is infected with falsehood, stuck in a closed loop, supporting a FALSE GOD: a lie.

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Lies are lies. That is what they are. And the liars don't, by definition, believe them. But a "true believer" in lies, by definition, is a sick person who is infected with falsehood, stuck in a closed loop, supporting a FALSE GOD: a lie.

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This one is not so bad, compared to what is being done to babies, toddlers, children, expectant mothers, but this link I will ask you to look at, is bad enough:

The U.S.S. Liberty Murders21

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This one is not so bad compared to what is being done to babies, toddlers, children, and expectant mothers, but this link I will ask you to look at is bad enough:

The U.S.S. Liberty Murders21

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I've told you the routine, it is not new. I found an example of the routine, reported in that link, on the U.S.S. Liberty. I found another example of the same routine in an old book titled “The Lost State of Franklin” where Legal Criminals solve the "Indian Problem" on the frontier with the same "Final Solution" used so often by Legal Criminals. In this example the Legal Criminals hire very evil people to dress up as "Indians" to slaughter Settlers: babies, pregnant mothers, toddlers, the more evil the better, and then blame the "Indians." They spread hatred into the Settlers so as to justify slaughtering the "Indians," who happen to be occupying that “Promised Land" (Later to become Kentucky) which is rich land, good land, abundant land, but occupied by that "problem." Which is the same routine problem, over, and over, and over, and over again, where there are PEOPLE already on that "Promised Land" that Legal Criminals promise to themselves for their own exploitation USING their duped subjects that are subjected to the lies, threats, and violence of those same Legal Criminals doing the same old things that work time and again, over, and over, and over, again, and again, like a broken record, or like a Business Psycho.

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I've told you the routine. It is not new. I found an example of the routine, reported in that link on the U.S.S. Liberty. I found another example of the same routine in an old book titled The Lost State of Franklin where Legal Criminals solve the "Indian Problem" on the frontier with the same "Final Solution" used so often by Legal Criminals. In this example, the Legal Criminals hired very evil people to dress up as "Indians" to slaughter Settlers including babies, pregnant mothers, and toddlers. The more evil the better, and then blamed “the Indians.” Spreading hatred into the Settlers so as to justify slaughtering “the Indians,” who happen to be occupying that “Promised Land” (later to become Kentucky) which is rich land, good land, abundant land, but occupied by that "problem." Which is the same routine problem, over, and over, and over, and over again, where there are PEOPLE already on that "Promised Land" that Legal Criminals promise to themselves for their own exploitation USING their duped subjects that are subjected to the lies, threats, and violence of those same Legal Criminals doing the same old things that work time and again, over, and over, and over again, and again: like a broken record or like a Business Psycho.

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I think I do in a competitive, dynamic sense, and it is more than "just" about money, but money is the connecting medium. So take that power back from them: Friends of Liberty taking back the power of their own, honest, accurate, productive, POWERFUL, money, from the criminals, the psychopaths, the sociopaths, the immoral evil non-human beings, the pathological liars, take it back peacefully, competitively, by making better money. And they, the Legal Criminals, simply go out of business. Even the "true believers," the minions, the subjects, take back the power of honest, accurate, communication, and the Legal Crime power is rendered power-less because no one can afford lies that no longer work.

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I think I do in a competitive, dynamic sense. It is more than "just" about money, but money is the connecting medium. So take that power back from them: Friends of Liberty taking back the power of their own honest, accurate, productive, POWERFUL money from the criminals…the psychopaths…the sociopaths…the immoral, evil, non-human beings…the pathological liars. Take it back, peacefully, competitively, by making better money. And they, the Legal Criminals, simply go out of business. Even the "true believers," the minions, the subjects take back the power of honest, accurate, communication, and the Legal Crime power is rendered power-less because no one can afford lies that no longer work.

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"There was a war in 1967 where a lot of nations came against Israel and Israel won and won ground."

ummm, this sounded like a 5th grader wrote it so i tried to rewrite to make bear sound a little more intelligent, at least like an 8th grader :)

"There was a war in 1967 when several nations fought against Israel. Israel won and won ground."

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per this rule: Italicize foreign words. http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/1/ I have italicized cui bono on the following pages: ix, 25, 52, 58

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JOE, I need some help on page 57.

The sentence currently reads:
You are led to believe that Zionists, the actual PEOPLE, the people running the criminal government, were not provoking the war, deliberately.

I am specifically asking about the word deliberately. It is interesting the way it appears at the end of the sentence because the sentence can mean multiple things:

1. You are deliberately led to believe that Zionists, the actual PEOPLE, the people running the criminal government, were not provoking the war.

or

2. You are led to believe that Zionists, the actual PEOPLE, the people running the criminal government, were not deliberately provoking the war.

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3. You are deliberately led to believe that Zionists, the actual PEOPLE, the people running the criminal government, were not deliberately provoking the war.

I am thinking if you meant either 1 or 2 that I should move the word deliberately to the appropriate spot. If however, your intent was number 3 we could leave deliberately where it is at the end of the sentence, but folks may or may not pick up on the intention.

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The familiar story is that the aggressor, seeking to gain land promised to themselves, create a false flag event where the aggressors dress up as their victims. They slaughter people, such as the people on the U.S.S. Liberty. Blame that on their victims so as to "justify" the taking of "The Promised Land" from the native population who are already existing on that "Promised Land."

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The familiar story is that the aggressors, seeking to gain land promised to themselves, create a false flag event where the aggressors dress up as their victims. They slaughter people, such as the people on the U.S.S. Liberty, and blame that on their victims so as to "justify" the taking of "The Promised Land" from the native population who already exist on that "Promised Land."

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It can get complicated, of course, and so then you need to have an official member of the defending nation to explain the justifications for these things, of course, and what happens in the unfortunate event when the targeted victims win?

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It can get complicated, of course, so then you need to have an official member of the defending nation explain the justifications for these things, of course. And what happens in the unfortunate event when the targeted victims win?

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If the good guys won the 6 day war as History tells "us,"

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If the good guys won the 6-Day War as History tells "us,"

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Places with people already occupying the land promised to whom by whom?

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Places with people already occupying the land promised to “whom" by “whom”?

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"The point is getting across. Person A doesn’t skip out on rent."

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"The point is getting across. Person A doesn’t skip-out on rent."

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The World Reserve Currency POWER, having been a huge criminal process of taking power from other people and having that power benefit those people who FINANCE that power, is "skipping out on rent." And the records can show that without any room for doubt, all meticulously recording in documented fact.

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The World Reserve Currency POWER, having been a huge criminal process of taking power from other people and having that power benefit those people who FINANCE that power, is "skipping-out on rent." And the records can show that without any room for doubt, all meticulously recorded in documented fact.

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JOE, I NEED HELP. I DON'T THINK THIS SENTENCE MAKES SENSE, But I think I understand the intent so I moved the words around a little bit. CAN YOU PLEASE LOOK AT THE FINAL SENTANCE BELOW TO SEE IF IT IS CORRECT?

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A victim of this big lie, this Dollar Hegemony, the new Caesar, with "that which is Caesar's," moves power inequitably from the victims to the criminals.

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A VICTIM of this big lie (this Dollar Hegemony) is ONE WHO HAS "that which is Caesar's," as the new Caesar moves power inequitably from the victims to the criminals.

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In a relative sense, and I can illustrate this sense better, more accurately, those who "own" or "control" the Monopoly Power benefit by having that control.

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In a relative sense, and I can illustrate this sense better, more accurately: those who "own" or "control" the Monopoly Power benefit by having that control.

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The Criminals who co-op the home field victims, or subjects, duping them into cooperating do so by "spreading the wealth" during the BOOM part of the Business Psycho. And during that time, in that sense, those who benefit are skipping out on the rent, or in other words, getting something for nothing, and in other words receiving stolen goods, and in other words getting a piece of the action, and in other words aiding and abetting criminals, and in other words profiting from aggressive wars for profit, and in other words: evil.

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The Criminals who co-op the home field victims, or subjects, duping them into cooperating, do so by "spreading the wealth" during the BOOM part of the Business Psycho. And during that time, in that sense, those who benefit are skipping-out on the rent. In other words: getting something for nothing; and in other words: receiving stolen goods; and in other words: getting a piece of the action; and in other words: aiding and abetting criminals; and in other words: profiting from aggressive wars for profit; and in other words: evil.

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Acknowledging the facts could turn someone around and instead of ignorantly supporting those crimes with material support in the form of earnings (surplus wealth or Power to Purchase) the person acknowledges that support flowing in that way. And instead of doing nothing to stop that power flowing that way, the then aware person having acknowledged the facts, can begin to work to stop supporting those crimes in those ways.

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Acknowledging the facts could turn someone around. And instead of ignorantly supporting those crimes with material support in the form of earnings (surplus wealth or Power to Purchase), the person acknowledges that support flowing in that way. And instead of doing nothing to stop that power flowing that way, the then aware person, having acknowledged the facts, can begin to work to stop supporting those crimes in those ways.

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JOE, NOT SURE HOW THIS SENTENCE SHOULD READ

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Progress toward war is carefully monitored, well documented, FACT.

Should it be:

Progress toward war is a carefully monitored, well documented FACT.

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Progress toward war is carefully monitored, a well documented FACT.

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"Skipping out on Monopoly Game rent:"

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Skipping-out on Monopoly Game rent:

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When China has the World Reserve Currency POWER, no longer U.S.A. Inc. (LLC),

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When China has the World Reserve Currency POWER, no longer U.S.A., Inc. (LLC),

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If that is not easy to see, for anyone else, so be it, and I can be wrong, but those are well documented facts to be known, or not known. Simple math, simple stuff, easy to know stuff, a third grader can know this stuff. So what is the problem?

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easy-to-know stuff

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"Person A doesn’t skip out on rent."

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"Person A doesn’t skip-out on rent."

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In a specific sense, so far, Person A doesn't skip out on rent. A factual statement, so far.

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In a specific sense, so far Person A doesn't skip out on rent: a factual statement, so far.

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If that exchange, documented fact, could be known precisely, exactly, each step of the way. If such an understanding, precise, accurate, knowledge, the entire transaction, could be accountable as an inequitable transaction, whereby Person A "made a killing" at the expense of another person living in China. Perhaps a person his same age, but a person who for now, is on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick: there is accurate judgment in that case.

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If that exchange, that documented fact, could be known precisely, exactly, each step of the way; if such an understanding (precise, accurate knowledge, the entire transaction) could be accountable as an inequitable transaction whereby Person A "made a killing" at the expense of another person living in China (perhaps a person the same age, a person who for now is on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick); then there is accurate judgment in that case.

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JOE, Yes, could you please look back at page 13 of this string and the questions I have are addressed to you with your name, Joe, and are in bold.

There are a couple of them. Thanks!

(I also talked to you on page 12, called you Joe, but didn't put it in bold. It was not a question though, it was a comment.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hUy9ePyo6Q is deafening, and I can hardly stand it.

OK I am back to bookwork for some time this afternoon. I have spent the morning in the yard and it was wonderful! I love flowers and spring in Missouri is nice. We have 4 distinct seasons here. Winter is hard on me though. I suffer emotionally. I think it is a lack of light. I hate the cold and I don't want to go outside AT ALL.

Texas was Summer and Winter (Spring and Fall only lasted a week or two and winter was mild - rarely below freezing).

I should name my Diary: Joe. I don't have a diary though.

Thank you for your upcoming help.

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It is exactly what Caesar says it is today and it can be exactly what Caesar says it is tomorrow, and tomorrow it might be opposite what it is today.

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It is exactly what Caesar says it is today, and it can be exactly what Caesar says it is tomorrow, and tomorrow it might be opposite of what it is today.

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My opinion:

I am thinking if you meant either 1 or 2 that I should move the word deliberately to the appropriate spot. If however, your intent was number 3 we could leave deliberately where it is at the end of the sentence, but folks may or may not pick up on the intention.
If there is a case where the writer prefers that the reader is beset with work to do in order to understand the writing, then this is that case. I prefer that the reader be left with some work to do, so my opinion is to leave it as written in this case.

In this case I don't think that the reader is beset with too much work to do while reading.


A victim of this big lie, this Dollar Hegemony, the new Caesar, with "that which is Caesar's," moves power inequitably from the victims to the criminals.

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A VICTIM of this big lie (this Dollar Hegemony) is ONE WHO HAS "that which is Caesar's," as the new Caesar moves power inequitably from the victims to the criminals.


That is an obvious improvement in communicating the intended message, thanks.


Progress toward war is carefully monitored, well documented, FACT.

Should it be:

Progress toward war is a carefully monitored, well documented FACT.

or

Progress toward war is carefully monitored, a well documented FACT.


I tried to say: Progress toward war is carefully monitored, accurately measured, meticulously documented, and factual.

The second sentence is the most accurate improvement of the message intended.

 

If that exchange, documented fact, could be known precisely, exactly, each step of the way. If such an understanding, precise, accurate knowledge, the entire transaction, could be accountable as an inequitable transaction whereby Person A "made a killing" at the expense of another person living in China (perhaps a person his same age, a person who for now is on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick): there is accurate judgment in that case.

How about this:

If that specific exchange could be known precisely as a documented fact, exactly each step of the way, completely understood from every conceivable angle, including Person A having "made a killing" at the expense of another person in China, then is there accurate judgment in that case, and could that case be measured as an equitable transaction, or is it by that measure another case of iniquity? The Chinese labor force is (temporarily) on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick. National Interest anyone?


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My wife stumbled upon a book during some cleaning, where the book was written by my friend's father who was a veteran of World War II, and if you think it is worth publishing that book, with some edit work on your part, then on your say so I will try to reconnect with my friend and ask for permission to move that book into the current stream.

I saw the pile of papers and considered the viability of turning that pile of papers into a book for sale, proceeds, if any, going to the publisher and the writers son, so I'm asking my favorite publisher if she is interested in more work that may not pay well.





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Words spoken during well-earned good life, not necessarily a challenge of principles, and far from judgment day at the end of a human life in living form, sure, I get that. But we two are hunting dragons, and so for my part I am working an angle that has to do with false connections from which we all might want to disconnect, if we can figure out ways to do so without harming anyone.

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Not necessarily a challenge of principles and far from judgment day at the end of a human life in living form, but words spoken during a well-earned, good life. Sure, I get that. But we two are hunting dragons, and so for my part, I am working an angle that has to do with false connections from which we all might want to disconnect, if we can figure out ways to do so without harming anyone.

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OK, will leave as is:
If there is a case where the writer prefers that the reader is beset with work to do in order to understand the writing, then this is that case. I prefer that the reader be left with some work to do, so my opinion is to leave it as written in this case.

In this case I don't think that the reader is beset with too much work to do while reading.


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I might like this sentence that you have created to replace the sentence we are discussing, what do you think?

I tried to say: Progress toward war is carefully monitored, accurately measured, meticulously documented, and factual.

in stead of:

Progress toward war is carefully monitored, a well documented FACT.


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On this new sentence you have written, I had been working while you were working and am not sure if you saw what I had finished with.

Old sentence:

If that exchange, documented fact, could be known precisely, exactly, each step of the way. If such an understanding, precise, accurate knowledge, the entire transaction, could be accountable as an inequitable transaction whereby Person A "made a killing" at the expense of another person living in China (perhaps a person his same age, a person who for now is on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick): there is accurate judgment in that case.


Your new sentence:
If that specific exchange could be known precisely as a documented fact, exactly each step of the way, completely understood from every conceivable angle, including Person A having "made a killing" at the expense of another person in China, then is there accurate judgment in that case, and could that case be measured as an equitable transaction, or is it by that measure another case of iniquity? The Chinese labor force is (temporarily) on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick. National Interest anyone?

and this is what I had come up with before seeing your new sentence:

If that exchange, that documented fact, could be known precisely, exactly, each step of the way; if such an understanding (precise, accurate knowledge, the entire transaction) could be accountable as an inequitable transaction whereby Person A "made a killing" at the expense of another person living in China (perhaps a person the same age, a person who for now is on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick); then there is accurate judgment in that case.

So, let me know what you like better and I will incorporate accordingly

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bear,

My wife stumbled upon a book during some cleaning, where the book was written by my friend's father who was a veteran of World War II, and if you think it is worth publishing that book, with some edit work on your part, then on your say so I will try to reconnect with my friend and ask for permission to move that book into the current stream.

I saw the pile of papers and considered the viability of turning that pile of papers into a book for sale, proceeds, if any, going to the publisher and the writers son, so I'm asking my favorite publisher if she is interested in more work that may not pay well.


Yes, I'd be happy to work with you on this effort. Pay or no pay, and I'd certainly want you to be paid as you are...the middle man...but will also be doing the actual work with the printer, right? Do you need help typing the pages?

I will count on you to help me with priorities.

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And if the loop closes, if the lie infects the individual, the dragon is inside, the Trojan horse is inside, and almost all hope may be lost at that point because the individual may have to depend upon something outside for help in defeating that dragon, exposing the closed loop, and returning POWER to know better back to the individual.

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And if the loop closes, if the lie infects the individual, then the dragon is inside, the Trojan horse is inside. Almost all hope may be lost at that point because the individual may have to depend upon something outside for help in defeating that dragon, exposing the closed loop, and returning POWER to know better back to the individual.

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The capacity for self-doubt may be a required power, if the idea is to have the capacity to know better?

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The capacity for self-doubt may be a required power if the idea is to have the capacity to know better?

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So there has to be a balance between self-doubt, and determined effort.

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What about the power of lies: who is responsible?

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What about the power of lies? Who is responsible?

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The believer in the lie (not the liar, since the liar knows it is a lie) is responsible for whatever the "true believer" in the lie does as an individual. No different than a wild animal, lacking human reason, human conscience, human moral judgment, or "Common Sense.” So not coincidentally, much human effort including human spirituality is focused on accurate identification of facts so as to avoid injury by falsehood.

Well, I decided to join one the middle sentence back with the 1st sentence like you originally wrote it. Removed the comma between animal and lacking. Added back commas off-setting "including human spirit" like you originally wrote it:

The believer in the lie (not the liar, since the liar knows it is a lie) is responsible for whatever the "true believer" in the lie does as an individual, no different than a wild animal lacking human reason, human conscience, human moral judgment, or "Common Sense.” So not coincidentally, much human effort, including human spirituality, is focused on accurate identification of facts so as to avoid injury by falsehood.

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JOE, I am wondering if the end date of 2012 looks OK to you. I am asking because it is now 2013. What happens when someone reads this book in 2020 and nothing has changed? Anyways, just a thought that ran thru my mind that I though I would run thru yours :)

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U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) (1788 to 2012)

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U.S.A., Inc. (LLC) (1788 to 2012)

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and through my Product 1 and Product 2 illustration my intention is to communicate my current understanding of banking mortgages.

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That is the point of the challenge being offered to you, where you play the part of a customer, and then you play the part of a saleswoman, in a play acting, text version, of a Product 1 and Product 2 sale event at a new Legal Bank where equitablists have taken over America.

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That is the point of the challenge being offered to you: where you play the part of a customer, and then you play the part of a saleswoman in a play acting, text version of a Product 1 and Product 2 sale event at a new Legal Bank where equitablists have taken over America.

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If you have not read one of my sales pitch illustrations then you can read the one started in this thread between a fictitious John the customer, and Jane the salesperson.

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If you have not read one of my sales pitch illustrations, then you can read the one started in this thread between fictitious John the customer and Jane the salesperson.

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The idea is to covey what I have learned up to this date, and to do so intact without any miscommunication. And the idea further involves a promise of improvement as my own limited perspective can be sharpened by competitive, side-by-side, comparison with your perspective, as you play act either side in the Chess Match constructed in that way, where two people work out a banking transaction at a Legal Equitablist Bank.

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The idea is to convey what I have learned up to this date and to do so intact without any miscommunication. The idea further involves a promise of improvement as my own limited perspective can be sharpened by competitive, side-by-side comparison with your perspective as you play act either side in the Chess Match constructed in that way where two people work out a banking transaction at a Legal Equitablist Bank.

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I might like this sentence that you have created to replace the sentence we are discussing, what do you think?
Agreed on the change.



So, let me know what you like better and I will incorporate accordingly
The sentence you invented flows very well so it is easier to read and therefore better by that measure, in my opinion, so use your sentence please.






Yes, I'd be happy to work with you on this effort. Pay or no pay, and I'd certainly want you to be paid as you are...the middle man...but will also be doing the actual work with the printer, right? Do you need help typing the pages?
OK, I have lost touch with Dan Slockett who is the son of the author, so I have to find him and ask him first. The book is an important, honest, account of what happened when thousands of airplanes full of bombs were sent over Germany to destroy so much, for reasons that were as false as any reason ever told for war. Those who fight the wars pay the costs, while those who lie do so for obvious reasons.

Dan's dad was a tail gunner in a B-17 bomber. The odds of survival for those people in those planes were low, not as low as the people who have those bombs falling on their heads, but the point of the book is honest records of what a human being thinks and feels in such times and places.

If no one ever hears the words spoken by the survivors then the option to listen to those words is no longer an option.


JOE, I am wondering if the end date of 2012 looks OK to you.


I think it is OK to leave it as it is, and it is just as OK to change it to 2013, or there may be another option such as the "the present" or some such open ended date.

What do you think about "the present," or words of similar meaning?



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What do you think about "the present," or words of similar meaning?

I thought about that word too. But what if someone is reading this book and things are no longer as they are today or were in 1788? What if someone is reading this book and it is a time of equity?

I think that is what bothered me. To say 1799 to 2012, 2013, or to present could all be wrong in their own way.

We don't know what the future holds, but we know that things have not changed so far.

I think what I am trying to say is: Would it give the reader a false hope if they see the date 2012 (or 2013, etc.) and they say, well this is 2020, so I am OK (when the facts may be that things are as they were in 2012).

Or if they read the words to present, and things are no longer as they are, then that statement wouldn't be true.

Do you see what I am saying? Or is this a case of a perfectionist getting "wrapped around the axel"?
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The book sounds very interesting. I hope you are able to contact the son. It is wonderful that you have his father's words documented. That WWII generation is about gone. It is strange to me to see Vietnam guys with grey heads...they should be young as I remembered them.

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"So Joe, the way I am seeing this is that you have been handing me puzzle pieces and I am finally able to identify them and put some together, but somehow, there is a foundation that I fail to apply those pieces upon…like competition...and more recently holding "things" responsible. I think I even wrote about competition in my gushing thank you. But somehow I have all of these truths; but am not using them together."

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"So Joe, the way I am seeing this is that you have been handing me puzzle pieces, and I am finally able to identify them and put some together. But somehow, there is a foundation that I fail to apply those pieces upon…like competition...and more recently holding "things" responsible. I think I even wrote about competition in my gushing thank you. Somehow I have all of these truths, but am not using them together."

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OK, my view on that: well, life is short, and you can't expect to make short cuts, and you are not a teenager with teenager capacity to learn new things, and life is short, and you have responsibilities of parenting. Very high priority stuff, so forget about reaching ahead too far all at once. And in my opinion, you can step back, see how the new keys work, apply the Boyd strategy to many things; Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act, and digest, and process, and above all it seems to me, maintain that balance, that "pursuit of happiness" in this "animated contest of freedom" while it exists as it exists. And to me, what you will find is improvement because you find ways to improve, and you no longer settle for less. Even if external things are overwhelming, at the very least, you find how to slow down the injury which is a relative improvement. And YOU control that which is in your power to control because you are now, at least, taking on those responsibilities; those responses that you are able to act out in fact.

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OK, my view on that: Well, life is short, and you can't expect to make short cuts, and you are not a teenager with teenager capacity to learn new things - and life is short - and you have responsibilities of parenting - very high priority stuff. So forget about reaching ahead too far all at once. And in my opinion, you can step-back, see how the new keys work. Apply the Boyd strategy to many things: Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act, and digest, and process, and above all, it seems to me, maintain that balance, that "pursuit of happiness" in this "animated contest of freedom" while it exists as it exists. And to me, what you will find is improvement because you find ways to improve, and you no longer settle for less. Even if external things are overwhelming, at the very least, you find how to slow down the injury which is a relative improvement. And YOU control that which is in your power to control because you are now, at least, taking on those responsibilities, those responses that you are able to act out in fact.

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The "big picture" is built up over time as all the little pictures work out over and over again and again in similar ways. This lie, you see, does that, you see. This fact, you see, works this way, you see. I'm telling you, it becomes very simple over time. You begin to see patterns, like learning how music works. You begin to see, oh yeah, that works that way. You see as I am now seeing with your help, that this "big picture" stuff is all well documented in scripture. It is the same stuff, lies are bad. OK, common sense stuff. Liars injure people. Wow! Who would have thought such things! ...on and on…

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The "big picture" is built up over time as all the little pictures work out over and over, again and again, in similar ways. This lie, you see, does that, you see. This fact, you see, works this way, you see. I'm telling you, it becomes very simple over time. You begin to see patterns…like learning how music works. You begin to see, oh yeah, that works that way. You see, as I am now seeing with your help, that this "big picture" stuff is all well documented in scripture. It is the same stuff: lies are bad. OK, common sense stuff: liars injure people. Wow! Who would have thought such things! ...on and on…

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Joe, I am having this thought once again, and need your help

I would like to capitalize the first letter of scripture = Scripture. But when that word appears in your words and I do not want to change the way you think about or say things.

Some people, I think purposefully (not so much out of ignorance), but to make a point, type Bible as bible without capitalizing the first letter so as it lower that book to be less than what it is. I do not think you do that with the word scripture, but you type it starting iwth a lower case letter. I am used to seeing scripture written as Scripture. Just like God is God, not god.

Just tell me either way, and I will change or not change accordingly that word when it appears in your words.

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Other people are infected. They need help. Your initial response may be to defend against them, but that does not help anyone, so what happens? You learn?

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Other people are infected. They need help. Your initial response may be to defend against them, but that does not help anyone. So what happens? You learn?

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So...discussion is a two-way, equitable, street, or path.

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So...discussion is a two-way, equitable street or path.

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Joe, I am having this thought once again, and need your help
Please capitalize Scripture, my mistake.


Do you see what I am saying? Or is this a case of a perfectionist getting "wrapped around the axel"?
1788 to Liberty Day, not yet realized at the time this book is written.

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The book sounds very interesting. I hope you are able to contact the son. It is wonderful that you have his father's words documented. That WWII generation is about gone. It is strange to me to see Vietnam guys with grey heads...they should be young as I remembered them.
I found his name linked to Linkedin, but that program asks for the e-mail address, which I don't remember. I can look for a return address on the book he sent.

Found Dan on Facebook and sent him a note. Yes, the young have grown old, and much of what they have learned is not recognized as being valuable, for some strange reason.



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What if a competitor was allowed to pay you to borrow money because your use of the money was worth the risk according to the competitor since the competitor benefits indirectly by your industrious use of the power to purchase loaned to you?

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What if a competitor was allowed to pay you to borrow money because your use of the money was worth the risk, according to the competitor, since the competitor benefits indirectly by your industrious use of the power-to-purchase loaned to you?

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OK, will do.
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Nice! I like it!
1788 to Liberty Day, not yet realized at the time this book is written.
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I am glad you found Dan!
Yes, the young have grown old, and much of what they have learned is not recognized as being valuable, for some strange reason.
Perhaps...it is because they have been demonized, in the case of the Vietnam Vets, and in the case of the WWII Vets...they did the patriotic thing to do, so one would NOT dare bring up something to negate that "patriotic" thing to do?

Now bear has gone from bookwork to discussion. Shame, shame on bear. :)

I am taking a Amitriptylin at Nite and it has done wonders for my focus, my ability to think, my organizational skills, and most of all my energy level. Hurray!

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2. Victims of lies: where these victims don't know that the lies are lies, but the lies are believed and employed.

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2. Victims of lies where these victims don't know that the lies are lies, but the lies are believed and employed.

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I am taking a Amitriptylin at Nite and it has done wonders for my focus, my ability to think, my organizational skills, and most of all my energy level. Hurray!
A personal story I know about involves yet another family helped greatly with the use (not abuse) of drugs whereby the child grew up miserably, dealing with behavior that was costing the child and the parents much trouble, finally at the age when the child was resorting to violence something was done, now the child is very helpful, very easy to communicate with, a joy to be around, funny, witty, and the parents have a new world to enjoy, having left behind the hell on earth.

I elaborated some.

Question authority, but get back to work!


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Joe, Work you say?

I have been working all day picking and pitting cheeries. Now I am finally done and exhausted but am going to do some bookwork as I relieve my aching back.

Thanks for sharing the story.

Oh, and the Sherrifs are about town looking for a guy in a red stocking cap...even asked my boys best buds if they had seen him. Got a call from the Death March widow...so I had to make multiple calls so I could tell her what was going on. She is a mite afraid and I am afraid she has passed her fear to me so I have double checked to make sure the doors are locked. It seems there are a few guys in their 20's walking around town as of late that are unknown by the locals. Our population is around 600 sew, I mean so, "strangers" are noticed. I'm not really afraid, but I did check the locks and warned the boys...life in a small town...I am 7 blocks away from the action and have been minding my own business, but I am in the know now that there is not much to know except they are looking for a guy in a red stocking cap...Santa Claus?

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3. Equitablists, or Friends of Liberty, and God's Children, and whoever else who are moral people, who do not use, and who are not subject to lies, threats, and violence as a means of gaining power from the targeted and innocent victims.

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3. Equitablists, or Friends of Liberty, and God's Children, and whoever else who are moral people, who do not use and who are not subject to lies, threats, and violence as a means of gaining power from the targeted and innocent victims.

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I'm not saying everyone is either/or 1,2,3, and nothing else, I'm saying that two goals, generally, are accomplished by people as they step into those roles listed above.

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I'm not saying everyone is either/or 1. 2. 3. and nothing else. I'm saying that two goals, generally, are accomplished by people as they step into those roles listed above:

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1. Productive and Life Sustaining
Use scarce power to make power abundant.

2. Destructive and Life Ending
Use scarce power to take power from other people and use the stolen power to steal more.

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    1. Productive and Life Sustaining
    Use scarce power to make power abundant.

    2. Destructive and Life Ending
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If you premeditate a lie knowing it is a lie, or if you employ a lie but are a "true believer" in the lie, if you commit crimes (lies, threats, violence upon the innocent), if you are a criminal in FACT, then you destroy life, in FACT, and there are easy, accurate, undeniable methods by which those FACTS can be measured as the bodies pile up, for one example: mass murder (aggressive war).

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If you premeditate a lie knowing it is a lie; if you employ a lie but are a "true believer" in the lie; if you commit crimes (lies, threats, violence upon the innocent); if you are a criminal, in FACT; then you destroy life, in FACT. There are easy, accurate, undeniable methods by which those FACTS can be measured as the bodies pile up. For one example: mass murder (aggressive war).

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oh, how I want to discuss this concept, that which I just worked on above:

If you premeditate a lie knowing it is a lie; if you employ a lie but are a "true believer" in the lie; if you commit crimes (lies, threats, violence upon the innocent); if you are a criminal, in FACT; then you destroy life, in FACT. There are easy, accurate, undeniable methods by which those FACTS can be measured as the bodies pile up. For one example: mass murder (aggressive war).

Thinking about O'Connor and that concept of Criminals and that concept that the greatest Criminal is Lucifer who stole God's creation...can the innocent victims make a contract or a truce with criminals? Will Criminals abide by their contract? Or will Criminals resort to lies, threats and violence upon the innocent...even when there is a contract or truce in effect...or will Criminals always go the way of entropy disolving any possibility of ectropy?

Is it wise to make a truce with a Criminal (Human) or with the Devil (Spirit)?

Now Joe,

I toss that out for you to mull over because the thought has crossed the bear mind.

I listened to Cooper here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpxIjZ6m48&list=PL11E33A6AEEB2674F and the episode above as I pitted Cherries. The discussion involved the occult side of the Rise of Hitler. I don't know if Sutton discussed that or just the Walstreet side.

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I stumbled on another competitive example of someone inventing, or reinventing, ways to fight against Legal Crime. More and more I'm finding the English words being used by people in the fight moving toward Legal Crime.

The criminals have taken over.

Not a sound bite

There is information in that video presentation that is the building blocks of something I call Despotism insurance. If you find the time to look at it you will probably recognize the concepts I've already spelled out in the illustration of the Defensive Weapon Story concerning a stun gun that records any event of using the stun gun and at the time of the event the video camera uploads the event onto the World Wide Web in real time.

Of course the "police" have their dash cameras installed and in use for awhile now, but again of course those records of events are then lost, or the camera was broke, or the sun was in my eyes, or for some other reason the inculpatory evidence "disappeared".

Not all cops are bad, not all soldiers are bad, not all lawyers are bad, not all judges are bad, but non-union jurors, being somewhat based upon sortition, are not by necessity on the same team reaching for the same goal as the Union Cops, Union Soldiers, Union Lawyers, and Union Judges who are paid employes of either The Devil Worshipers Union, The New World Order Money Monopoly Union, or whatever false front works best to hide the actual inculpatory facts that accurately identify the actual evil people making might right, or making their one legal money make money for them, or doing onto others before others can do onto them, or those specific people inventing producing, and maintaining Legal Crime.



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Two other points:

1. Do not abandon victims to be further victimized by criminals.

2. Do not punish innocent people because that is, in FACT, crime.

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Two more points:
    1. Do not abandon victims to be further victimized by criminals.

    2. Do not punish innocent people because that is, in FACT, crime.

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The Big Picture is elusive. And there are a whole lot of people who are either willfully perpetrating crimes or are following criminal orders without question.

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The Big Picture is elusive, and there are a whole lot of people who are either willfully perpetrating crimes or are following criminal orders without question.

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Proverbs 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the forward mouth, do I hate.

was looking for something else and noticed that ending quotation mark is missing so I added it. Hopefully I haven't missed too much in editing...

Proverbs 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the forward mouth, do I hate."

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Hopefully I haven't missed too much in editing...
I can go through it again but I won't be doing any major improvements to the structure as you are now doing. The prototype run can work as a method of gaining additional editors, and the prototype run can work as a marketing device.

I am speaking with Dan Slockett now on his Father's book. I can keep you posted.


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"Thinking about O'Connor and that concept of Criminals and that concept that the greatest Criminal is Lucifer who stole God's creation...can the innocent victims make a contract or a truce with criminals? Will Criminals abide by their contract? Or will Criminals resort to lies, threats and violence upon the innocent...even when there is a contract or truce in effect...or will Criminals always go the way of entropy disolving any possibility of ectropy?"

Frank is more the pacifist, and so what does a pacifist do when facing a criminal, turn the other cheek?

I don't know.

I don't believe in Frank anymore than I believe in any other human being. I do know that the creator exists, that is merely common sense to me to know such things.

Now there is a part in the video I have just found that helps with the concept of someone (not you, definitely not you) claiming that the proof of the question I ask concerning "What if the Devil wrote the Bible" is in The Bible, or it says so in The Bible that the Devil did not write The Bible, is explained in those words offered by the speaker here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B3nok7Cby28

I urge you to stop book work long enough to listen (not just hear) those words in that report, and I urge you to do so for many reasons, including the reason of having an explanation as to why the proof of something isn't the written word claiming to be the proof of something.

The written words are merely proof that words are written. Meaning, on the other hand, can be derived accurately, conveyed accurately, or not, from words, and my illustration of a road sign on a blind hill before a bridge intends to convey such an accurate message as the one intended here specifically.

You are the judge as to what you will do with your time, as it must be, in any case other than Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question, which is not me intending to say that I know anything, at all, about any Spiritual Connection with Jesus.

I don't know about such things that I don't know about, so I have no power to comment on that, but as to other measurable things, I have my angles of view.


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Now there is a part in the video I have just found that helps with the concept of someone (not you, definitely not you) claiming that the proof of the question I ask concerning "What if the Devil wrote the Bible" is in The Bible, or it says so in The Bible that the Devil did not write The Bible, is explained in those words offered by the speaker here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B3nok7Cby28

I urge you to stop book work long enough to listen (not just hear) those words in that report, and I urge you to do so for many reasons, including the reason of having an explanation as to why the proof of something isn't the written word claiming to be the proof of something.


OK, I am listening to the video now. It may take me some time to hear. We have a day out tomorrow so I don't know how much hearing I will accomplish. I do most of my listening while going to sleep, so, my hearing is limited. Looks like I need a couple of more hours of cherries to pit!

Thank you though for the link and I will work at it.

I am speaking with Dan Slockett now on his Father's book. I can keep you posted.

Great! Yes, please do. It is nice you were able to hook up!

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Dan Slockett says hmmm

He asks about rights, therefore he does not know about rights. Further communications as to rights is therefore potential, unwanted, or unfordable, costs.

I suppose.

I sent another message, and as far as I am concerned the idea is either good or bad according to Dan, and I do not see any need for me to push the idea in any way.

I told Dan that I would keep him posted on my own (our) book project.

If it works, to me, one book could become a flow of books offered by us, or you, or me, in that step by step fashion. How does anyone ever find their unique occupation?


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bear says, "Hmmm, so the 'rights' ball lands back in Dan's court."

Are we, me or you, worried about rights, right? Assuming we are not worried about rights, what is the cost?

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I have finished listening to Eddie Craig
Regarding your words:

Now there is a part in the video I have just found that helps with the concept of someone (not you, definitely not you) claiming that the proof of the question I ask concerning "What if the Devil wrote the Bible" is in The Bible, or it says so in The Bible that the Devil did not write The Bible, is explained in those words offered by the speaker here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B3nok7Cby28

I urge you to stop book work long enough to listen (not just hear) those words in that report, and I urge you to do so for many reasons, including the reason of having an explanation as to why the proof of something isn't the written word claiming to be the proof of something


I am uncertain what I was supposed to hear, while listening, regarding the Bible defining the Bible except that Craig discussed words used in law also being defined in the law, and that one cannot assume a word means in law what it means in common English. He spoke to the fact that it is very important to understand the defined words according to the law code. I do not think I fell asleep today as I listened as I was concentrating on listening while hearing. But there is a chance I dozed off. I have heard him often this week, but I cannot say the other times I listened.

A thought that did enter my mind as he discussed his website that he is hoping to launch that perhaps he is a person that would be very ineterested in the concept of a hand-held device that could stop, without harming, a crime in progress.

Joe, earlier we were taling and to the information regarding God torturning and punishing his son, I answered that Satan did that. God allowed it. Satan did it. God allowed it for a purpose. It was prophesied here:

Genesis 3:15 KJV

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Satan only bruised Christ's heel because Jesus rose again DEFEATING Sin and Death. The final blow will be to Satan's head. A blow that Satan will not recover from as Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity.

Jesus is the express image of the Godhead bodily. Jesus is the Logos, the Word of God, or the Logo of God. God took the punishmed of OUR sin upon HIMSELF. Just like we are body, soul and spirit, so is God. Jesus is the "body" of God. God put himself in harms way for our benefit. He could have delivered Himself from the Cross, but He did not. He could have destroyed the world and all of humanity in a moment's time. He did not. Instead He said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." While hanging in shame upon the cross he had a heart of forgiveness for those who brutilized Him. Will you watch this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV1HCK5yO_o

You can stop it at 58 minutes. So, Joe, will you take 58 minutes of your time and watch this?

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There has to be, mathematically, a whole lot more victims than there are criminals since someone actually does have to produce something worth stealing or there isn't anything worth stealing for those criminals who choose that path.

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There has to be, mathematically, a whole lot more victims than there are criminals since someone actually does have to produce something worth stealing, or there isn't anything worth stealing for those criminals who choose that path.

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Take a wrong turn, figure it out; stop digging the hole that goes to hell.

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Take a wrong turn. Figure it out. Stop digging the hole that goes to hell.

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"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."

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    Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

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I think the instruction in Proverbs 8 says "Start looking".

Periods belong inside quote marks per http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/03/ Also changed word from says to is to because it not a direct quote. Added colon to be consistent with next sentence.

I think the instruction in Proverbs 8 is to: "Start looking."

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I say this is easy sometimes. I'm often wrong.

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I say, “This is easy,” sometimes. I'm often wrong.

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3. Those who know that deceit, threats, and violence employed to gain at the expense of innocent victims is wrong, not right; wrongs to be avoided at least. No not abandon innocent victims and do not punish innocent people or do no harm by willful action or by willful inaction.

Modified punction for readability and chanded phrase "No not abandon" to "Do not abandon." Changed is to are, Added the word the before least

3. Those who know that deceit, threats, and violence employed to gain at the expense of innocent victims are wrong -not right- wrongs to be avoided at the least. Do not abandon innocent victims, and do not punish innocent people, or do no harm by willful action or by willful inaction.

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Sometimes I get an e-mail notice when replies are generated on this forum, other times I do not get an e-mail, and that contributes to delays in my answering questions.

"I am uncertain what I was supposed to hear, while listening, regarding the Bible defining the Bible except that Craig discussed words used in law also being defined in the law, and that one cannot assume a word means in law what it means in common English. He spoke to the fact that it is very important to understand the defined words according to the law code. I do not think I fell asleep today as I listened as I was concentrating on listening while hearing. But there is a chance I dozed off. I have heard him often this week, but I cannot say the other times I listened."

I will find it.

Starting with 1:19 on the subject of presumption of innocence.

Keeping in mind the presumption of innocence.

Moving to Bills of Attainder. Simply meaning presumption of guilt.

So...

1.
Agreeable voluntary association depends upon an obvious need to prove guilt.

2.
Disagreeable involuntary association depends upon an obvious need to bypass any awareness of innocence = the opposite of one.

Where is the proof?

Does it matter, at all, to anyone, ever, that proof of guilt (or innocence) exists?

That is an offer by me to you. If you do not agree, then you don't, if you do agree, then you do, that proof matters, and proof is vital, and therefore it is an open request to you, asking for an answer.

1.
Yes, proof matters, yes, proof is vital, yes, proof is required, yes, guilt must be proven, so yes, where is this evidence?

2.
No, proof does not matter, no, proof is not vital, no, proof is not required, no, guilt does not have to be proven, so no, evidence does not matter.

3.
Some other answer answering my offer.

You, an individual, me another individual, I offer a viewpoint, in the form of a question, and you can counter offer, or reply to, my offer.

Does proof matter in cases of disagreement whereby there is a question of guilt of any kind whatsoever?

I can assume, which is my assumption of your innocence, that you agree with the idea that when human beings (not God and human beings) connect to, or have associations with, other human beings (not God connecting to, or having associations with human beings), there is, again my assumption, an agreement on your part, that in cases of guilt there is a need for evidence, inculpatory evidence, red handed evidence, whereby those presumed to be innocent are proven to be guilty instead of being innocent, beyond a reasonable doubt.

I am therefore armed with this trust of you, I am therefore speaking to the choir, another member of what I consider to be Friends of Liberty, by my assumption of my agreement that there has to be proof, evidence, inculpatory, red handed, reasonable, removal of reasonable doubt, evidence of guilt, for there to be guilt, and therefore for there to be an accounting of guilt, connected to the person who was presumed to be innocent without that proof.

I trust that your answer is yes, when asked if proof matters in criminal matters whereby the suspect of crime is presumed to be innocent.

I can proceed without confirmation from you in matters of guilt held by one person upon another person, and again this is not a matter of God connecting to one person or another person, this is a matter in which a person connects to another person.

You can inform me, one way or another, as to your agreement on the question of proof being necessary in the accounting of guilty by one person upon other people.

I assume you answer yes.

I presume that you answer yes.

I trust that you answer yes.

Now going back to (I had a hard time finding this again) time 1:00.00

AGAIN: NOT GOD or Spiritual Law - in matters of Man Made Law instead, or in place of, God's Law, while the idea, in my opinion, there is a desire to emulate God's Law, to replicate God's Law, to listen to God's Law, to hear God's Law, to practice God's Law, while on Earth as a human being connecting to other human beings.


(b)
Except as provided by Subsection (c), an operator who does not exhibit evidence of financial responsibility under Subsection (a) is presumed to have operated the vehicle in violation of subsection 601.015.
I have chores to do at this time, or in a few minutes so I need to rap this up for now.

It is the order of a man, the author of the order, declaring guilt, that itself is the proof of guilt.

If evidence matters, then how does a criminal (devil) get around that agreement among peaceful people?

The evidence of guilt is the claim of guilt itself.

I can claim, under those rules, that you are guilty of breathing air, and the proof of your guilt is that you are breathing air?

No

Back.

The answer is no, the authority is said to be found in the paper, the paper itself is proof of guilt, and it says so right there on the piece of paper, you, breathing air, caught red handed, there you go again, breathing air, and therefore what is the punishment?

According to who?

The paper.

What if it says summary execution on the paper, for the crime of breathing air?

The law enforcer shoots himself?

No.

Natural law kicks in whenever anyone obeys the man made law.

You are ordered to stop breathing, it says so right on the paper, and the law says that the punishment for breathing is immediate execution for the crime of breathing.

But clearly there is a problem with that law, so where is the authority that that law is based upon?

It says so right here:


(b)
Except as provided by Subsection (c), an operator who does not exhibit evidence of financial responsibility under Subsection (a) is presumed to have operated the vehicle in violation of subsection 601.015.


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I get these wild ideas sometimes, like having a set of cards handy, and on these cards are blown up graphic pictures of innocent people being tortured and murdered, in your face stuff. So that anyone who begins to challenge my viewpoint, entering a political economy type discussion, challenging "where I am coming from," I have those signs ready.

Sure, I can say, I may be blowing things out of all proportion.

I may be raising my voice.

I may be getting all worked up over nothing.

Sure, I get that, sure, but what about this, and this, and this, and this. Look I say, look at this picture, it is real, look at it, in your face stuff; and might it be a good idea for someone to give a care once in a long while; someone who isn't going to be fooled into thinking that those people in those pictures deserved to be tortured by you and by me as we financed those horrible and torturous deaths, huh? So long as we are all up on our high horses of pretentious authority and all?

OH, Joe, just calm down, we all know you have issues, and you have concerns, and bla, bla, bla, but...

But, you know, Joe, the Mexicans are stealing our Jobs; and you know, those Terrorists have to be fought over there so we don't have to fight them over here; and you know, Joe, war is good for the economy after all; and those Democrats are Socialists; and everyone has to do their fair share with these Tax Liabilities. Except us, of course, but don't get caught, of course.

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I get these wild ideas sometimes, like having a set of cards handy. On these cards are blown-up, graphic pictures of innocent people being tortured and murdered. In your face stuff, so that anyone who begins to challenge my viewpoint, entering a political economy-type discussion, challenging "where I am coming from," I can have those signs ready:

“Sure,” I can say, “I may be blowing things out of all proportion.

“I may be raising my voice.

“I may be getting all worked up over nothing.

“Sure, I get that, sure, but what about this, and this, and this, and this?! Look.” I say, “Look at this picture, it is real, look at it, in your face stuff; and might it be a good idea for someone to give a care once in a long while. Someone who isn't going to be fooled into thinking that those people in those pictures deserved to be tortured by you and by me as we financed those horrible and torturous deaths, huh…so long as we are all up on our high horses of pretentious authority and all?”

“OH, Joe, just calm down, we all know you have issues, and you have concerns, and bla, bla, bla, but...

“But, you know, Joe, the Mexicans are stealing our Jobs; and you know, those Terrorists have to be fought over there so we don't have to fight them over here; and you know, Joe, war is good for the economy, after all; and those Democrats are Socialists; and everyone has to do their fair share with these Tax Liabilities. Except us, of course, but don't get caught, of course.”

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Joe, I see and have skimmed your reply, I have 30 minutes before starting some chores, so I am going to do bookwork for right now since I am in that mindset, and then when I come back I will better read your welcome reply and follow the instructions for listening. Thanks!

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This is somewhat confused by current events, including the demand for chores, and including the forum software not allowing me to edit any further in my earlier response.

A thought that did enter my mind as he discussed his website that he is hoping to launch that perhaps he is a person that would be very ineterested in the concept of a hand-held device that could stop, without harming, a crime in progress.
The principle behind that idea is Defensive Power, and defensive Power includes the power of knowing before hand the causes of injuries so as to afford a person the time to avoid them. The use of a Network of people ready to monitor crimes in progress, ready to witness them, and ready to offer help to those potential victims is not a new idea, and now that the idea is being focused upon those who are False Authorities, so that the victims of False Authorities are now inventing, producing, and maintaining True Authoritative Defense against False Authorities, is the point.

Reaching for False Authorities when threatened by False Authorities so as to utilize False Authorities in Defense against False Authorities is "providing the means by which we suffer" in obvious, and accurately measurable forms, such as paying Federal Income Taxes with Federal Reserve Notes so as to pay off  National Debt that is increased each second of each day in direction proportion to each payment made to pay off the National Debt.

Each payment of Federal Income Tax with each Federal Reserve Note is an investment toward the increase of National Debt, not the decrease of National Debt.

Paying criminals very well to perpetrate inhuman crimes on a long list of inhuman crimes is a demand for inhuman crimes and there will be no shortage of suppliers willing to meet that demand up to a point at which the natural law known as the law of diminishing returns sets in.

When there are no more innocent victims, when everyone volunteers to supply the demand for more lies, more threats, and more violence upon the innocent, so as to be paid well for being a criminal, then all hell brakes loose, each criminal is beset with the need to cut the throat of each other criminal before having their own throat cut by another criminal, and no one has time to do the chores that actually employ the available productive power in ways that make more productive power out of less productive power.

"You can stop it at 58 minutes. So, Joe, will you take 58 minutes of your time and watch this?"

Is there a goal to be reached in that use of my power?

I ask for a reason that is not an excuse, or a dodge, or a prejudice, I ask so as to test to see if I do reach the goal, or falling short of the goal I can confirm that I have fallen short of the goal.

The case of my asking you to watch the link with the person offering information on man made law was the goal of seeing how there are problems associated with man made claims of authority being embodied into the paper that those claims are written on.

You did not reach the goal.

So then you reported to me that you did not reach the goal.

Then I offered a more detailed example of how the goal is reached, and I found, and I copied and pasted, an example of authority being claimed to be in the paper; which is the goal intended.

The cut and paste of the paper that claims that the paper is the source of the authority is the goal I was asking for you to reach for and to find.

You can agree to having reached that goal, or you can report to me that you have not reached that goal, in either case.

So I am asking for that reason, is there a goal that I can reach for when watching that presentation of information?

If the goal is to understand how the power of creation, or God, sacrifices some injury to God, so as to then give God a reason to not punish people for things that people do, then I am going to have a hard time understanding such things.

I have a hard time understanding your words here:

"Jesus is the express image of the Godhead bodily. Jesus is the Logos, the Word of God, or the Logo of God. God took the punishmed of OUR sin upon HIMSELF. Just like we are body, soul and spirit, so is God. Jesus is the "body" of God. God put himself in harms way for our benefit. He could have delivered Himself from the Cross, but He did not. He could have destroyed the world and all of humanity in a moment's time. He did not. Instead He said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." While hanging in shame upon the cross he had a heart of forgiveness for those who brutilized Him. Will you watch this?"

This:

"God took the punishment of OUR sin upon HIMSELF."

That makes no sense to me.

Why is God in the punishment business?

If God does not want to punish, then God can invent any reason not to punish, why does God need to punish "HIMSELF"?

I don't even sign onto the idea that God is a he, and I don't get very far from God being the power of creation, so that is the reason for my asking anyone questions having to do with the claim that God is in the punishment business.

I can't ask a video presentation the questions I have concerning the concept of God being in the punishment business.

If the video presentation is a report concerning how God is in the business of punishment, then that is a possible goal to reach for, as far as I am concerned.

Will that video explain to me why God is in the punishment business, assuming that God is, in fact, in the punishment business?

So will I find some measure of proof, something reasonable, something I can believe, concerning why God is, in fact, in the punishment business?

I can work to fit that viewing of that information into my schedule, my time, but for now I really have to get a chore done, a pile of dishes in a battle over how the kitchen is used by multiple users who do not all agree on standard procedures of use; the kitchen has to be cleaned up, and I am volunteering to do it at this point in time.

Then there are other demands to meet, other things I can supply something I can supply, to meet those demands.

I want to watch the presentation.

It is on my list.

Will I reach the intended goal according to your measure of reaching the intended goal?

Did you reach the intended goal of seeing why authority on paper, where the paper says that the paper itself is the authority, is an example of false authority?

I invented the obvious  illustration of how that is a false authority.

If the paper says that it is illegal to breath, and the paper says that those found guilty must be executed on the spot, and the proof of guilt is the paper itself, then that is exactly what that is, false authority, right there on that paper, so that paper is, in fact, inculpatory evidence of fraud, so who is the author?

I am cluttering up this topic, and I don't see an easy way out of this mess, so I continue.

The Story of Jesus can be confirmed through careful study?

1. Yes
2. No
3. Maybe
4. To a degree of success measurable as removing reasonable doubt?

Does the study material offered by the known liar (known by you as a liar, but not known by me as a liar, since I have no evidence proving a lie to be one) Frank O'Collins offer any reasonable doubt, if that evidence is heard, and judged, by the judge in any case?

I do not have a stake in the argument as to which belief between any two believers is the true belief.

I have my own belief in God proven to be exactly what it is each moment of each day.

I do not need to know what my own belief in God is, since it is what it is, and since it will become what it will become, as a function of POWER that is not my POWER.

I can ask for words that work to cause other people to form their beliefs, and I can ask Jesus to help me know better, but for me to ask Jesus to do something ambiguous is ambiguous, and therefore not knowable.

As far as you are concerned there is meaning, specific meaning, in the questions, or requests, that you have asked Jesus for, and you have a specific answer to your requests, or your questions, that you ask specifically to Jesus.

What are those requests and questions specifically?

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If I read your words, your own words, or words taken out of scripture, translated from the original script to English, by someone, some man, or some woman, and I find ambiguity, each time I look, then there is still, remaining, to date, yet to be specified, meaning in those questions, I read, and those requests, I read, in those words offered by you, or by scripture, or by kids acting in a youtube video.

I am going to try to look back into this forum topic to find anything I may have missed, offered by you, and worth my time to find.

I looked and found more editing work done by you, which I still see as evidence of God at work, for someone to be so generous to me, despite all my faults, my lack of belief, you offer your help, and I appreciate it, for what it is, help.

Even if you were to stop now, for whatever reason, I have been helped by you.

My daughter's friend asks about  the book often. He is impatient.

I am not impatient, and I work at avoiding impatience. I work at avoiding impatience ever since my dad was dying before my eyes and he asked if I could help him change his pajamas. I was in a hurry. He said words, that I cannot quote, having to do with my being in a hurry, something along the lines of negative words, such as "don't be in such a hurry," or a question "what is your hurry?"

I thought, at the time, that I was not in a hurry, I am always working to be faster at things, to be competitive, but I got the message as intended, as far as I can tell.

Death arrives on time, so there is no demand to move that date forward, at least none that can pass the test of reason as far as I am concerned.

Hey, on the subject of writing, I e-mailed and have received a response from a group who are in demand of writers.

Here

Your work to improve my writing is humbling to me. I can work at reading your corrections, as you teach me the lessons I once paid 500.00 Federal Reserve Notes to a "teacher" to teach me, and your competitive offerings, generous gifts, render that "investment" much lower in quality, and much higher in cost.












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Does proof matter in cases of disagreement whereby there is a question of guilt of any kind whatsoever?

Innocent until proven guilty by a court of law…Proof does matter.

So in regards to:
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Except as provided by Subsection (c), an operator who does not exhibit evidence of financial responsibility under Subsection (a) is presumed to have operated the vehicle in violation of subsection 601.015.


Is a presumption of guilt allowable? How does one ever appear in a court of law if there is not a presumption of guilt? I am not arguing. I am sorting things out in my mind. I have always understood “innocent until proven guilty by a court of law.” Didn’t we hear that 100 million times one 1 Adam 12? Did you watch that show when you were a kid?

Is the point that one should not have to show those insurance papers, etc, until an accident has taken place? No wonder our foreign policy is to strike before struck. Is that not what is happening every day during traffic stops? Should we just wait for people to have an accident and not be able to pay for their damages? Is liability insurance a payment made to the guy with a baseball bat? Pay up or you cannot operate a vehicle? But if you pay up and you have a wreck, well then, we will take care of the damages? Pay up or else?

I don’t know Joe, these ideas are new to me. I have handed my cards over the 3 times since 16 that I have been stopped…2 times for speeding, 1 time for turning from the wrong lane. I was guilty of braking traffic laws all 3 times and I knew it before the lights and sirens were turned on.

That being said, that does not give the officer a license to suspend the constitution or Miranda rights, assuming that is what happened.

You know the guy they were looking for in the red stocking cap? Now he is innocent until proven guilty, but the story has it that he was visiting with a family the day before and while the parents were at work the next day, he kicked down the back door of the house and raped their 11 year old daughter. So, I am having trouble now as I think of the 11 year old girl, who may or maynot be a “woman of the world.” So, what give the police the right to pick up the guy? His victim identified him? I don’t know. So now he goes to court and stands trial. His word against her word? I suppose her physical damages are also a witness. Perhaps his DNA is a witness too. So, he will be proven guilty in a court of law. But something had to incriminate him. He must have been presumed guilty to be picked up by the Sheriff. How does that work?
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Is there a goal to be reached in that use of my power?

I ask for a reason that is not an excuse, or a dodge, or a prejudice, I ask so as to test to see if I do reach the goal, or falling short of the goal I can confirm that I have fallen short of the goal.


Yes, my goal is that you might see Jesus through the eyes of a child…a simple story. Is faith abject believe in falsehood?
Jesus said this as reported by Luke: 15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them. 16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Verily I say unto you, Who soever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Is believing the Bible to be Inspired by God abject believe in falsehood?

Jesus quoted the Old Testament and called it the Word of God:

• Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

• Matthew 4:6 KJV
And [Satan] saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

• Matthew 4:7 KJV
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God

• Matthew 4:10 KJV
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve
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Jesus says, “It is written…” multiple times in other places in the Bible: http://beta.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=it+is+written&c=gos&t=kjv&ps=10&s=Bibles

So, my goal, my goal is that you might have eyes that see and ears that hear and seek as a little child. Yes, God knows where to find you, and He already has. Did he not send me to speak of Him?

"God took the punishment of OUR sin upon HIMSELF."

That makes no sense to me.

Why is God in the punishment business?

If God does not want to punish, then God can invent any reason not to punish, why does God need to punish "HIMSELF"?


Joe, God is righteous. God is holy. God is Just. God is a consuming fire. We are not. Because He is, all sin receives its just reward. What is the reward for sin? The lake of fire is the reward for sin. All sin will receive its reward there. God loves you Joe. That is why God took your reward upon Himself. It was the only way for justice to be served in the face of righteous holiness.

Will that video explain to me why God is in the punishment business, assuming that God is, in fact, in the punishment business?

So will I find some measure of proof, something reasonable, something I can believe, concerning why God is, in fact, in the punishment business?


Joe, I hope so.

Did you reach the intended goal of seeing why authority on paper, where the paper says that the paper itself is the authority, is an example of false authority?

So, which paper is the authority? The law code? Or the document that is to be produced so as not to be assumed guilty? Is it the law code written upon a piece of paper that sets itself up as judge and jury? Is that what you are trying to get me to see regarding the Bible? It is printed words on paper setting itself up as the authority?

Is the Creator the authority? If the Creator is righteous, holy, and just is not what that Creator writes upon a piece of paper Righteous, Holy and Just as well? The Creator Himself took your wages of sin upon Himself to delivery you from the paycheck due each time the sin time clock is punched.

If a criminal writes words upon a piece of paper, are those words then the transport of crime in progress? Satan has written all over God’s Creation, “mine, mine, mine.” But the final choice is yours, Joe, as God says, will you be mine instead? Will you come as a child and believe My Word?

God has explained everything there and not one jot and not one tittle will pass away without being fulfilled.

So, I asked you to watch a children’s drama about Jesus. Hoping that maybe, those words there and those pictures there might give a glimmer of what I try to explain ever so poorly.

If the paper says that it is illegal to breath, and the paper says that those found guilty must be executed on the spot, and the proof of guilt is the paper itself, then that is exactly what that is, false authority, right there on that paper, so that paper is, in fact, inculpatory evidence of fraud, so who is the author?

There will be a day when a mark on the hand or forehead will be required to buy or sell. If one does not have that mark, they will be punished. Who will write those rules? Who has told us those rules will be written? I joked at Walmart today about the self-check out and someday being able to scan the back of my hand so that no one will need to assist me. The 2 clerks looked at each other in a telltale way and acknowledged my comment with the fact that there are other (non Walmart) stores already doing that. Makes me think…perhaps that is why they cleanse the population of Christians as the routine is worked…we will not take the mark. Getting rid of the opposition beforehand?.

So, the other thing I have asked to listen to is Cooper’s Mystery Babylon series. The reason is because it puts into words who and what is behind this global criminal element. He also talked about an androgynous God as being part of that system. I think I heard that information in episode 3 or 4. You read Sutton. Did Sutton give you the method to alleviate the criminal element? Cooper doesn’t either. But it is information. Just like Sutton is information. Sutton’s Wall street Analysis and Cooper’s Spiritual Analysis perhaps go hand in hand? I am very piggish with Joes time. Cooper’s series starts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iCLykzJ0d8&list=PL11E33A6AEEB2674F

More important though, to me, is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV1HCK5yO_o

But bear being a pig wants Joe to listen to all of them 
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I am going to rest abit before answering your latest welcome reply which was separated from the first one because the forum wouldn't let you edit. It may be tomorrow. I am playing Mom Taxi all week long, and I am only home for a couple of hours this afternoon before I have to start driving again. The youngest has a 9pm baseball game tonight as well.

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bear,

I have to drop what I am doing and get to work on a few chores.

I want to read your latest offering, but that will keep.

Meanwhile I am cutting and pasting my first rough draft submission to the 1776 online magazine.

I will need to look over, and fix, or edit, the rough version, and if you can help, in any way, then I appreciate that help in advance.

So a cut and paste and then I'm off until later, possibly not returning until tomorrow.


Pending Collapse or Golden Opportunity?
News travels fast but propaganda travels faster when the criminals take over. Such is our fate when Liberty is forsaken, dropped like an old shoe, in favor of investments in lies. When the liars who invent the best lies are given the opportunity to fix their own pay rate, they don’t, they raise their pay instead, and how well does that work, and what can be expected from liars? So the question is asked, and not by me alone, how much longer can the investors in lies, and the investors in wars that are so good for the economy, how much longer can we, you know we, how much longer can we the people afford to keep on giving while the measurable benefits dry up, as the supply of ready victims are merely corpses rotting in the sun, who is going to be left to do the actual work?
What happens when the supply of frauds, robbers, pedophiles, rapists, kidnappers, slave masters, extortionists, drug pushers, torturers, serial killers, and war makers, for fun and profit, all made legal, reaches that condition of oversupply? When is it enough? When is it no longer beneficial to pay those high rates for all that crime done by those in office? When do we no longer get paid anything in return?
What happens after the fall?
What happens when the demand for very high paid liars, in public office, hired to cover up all the other crimes, all crimes made legal, when all that peters out, what happens next? When this process reaches that point of collapse, when the inevitable result of the law of diminishing returns takes hold, and that beast won’t let go without an inspired return to a demand for honest effort: then what?  Do we demand more of the same in a different suit, with a different flag, and another color of fraud money?
Do we get a new song to sing the same old tune?
What happens when everyone and their mom have joined in the fun, and profits, of making war ever so good for the economy, and there are no longer any hapless victims left who are footing the bill, paying the National Debt, on schedule, as they are told to do, even while the most effective tax evaders are giving themselves the highest pay rates for jobs done to a high degree of competitive excellence?
Now what: punt?
In fact, in reality, coming to a theater near you, what happens when the hired liars who have grown fat, stupid, greedy, foolish, and insane, finding their way into your church, as in Waco, or your home, as in the Vicky Weaver case, or your building, falling down around you, as in 911, for fun and profit, for war, for might making right, right in your life, and right now?
Call 911, like the Branch Davidians? “They are shooting again, tell someone to call it off.”
When does the pendulum swing too far into mass insanity, passing the point of no return, where those who produce anything worth stealing are outnumbered, and outgunned against those who make stealing legal, and like rats on a sinking ship the remaining survivors have nothing to eat but each other?
When do those honest enough to admit the existence of responsibility take the time to look in the mirror and affect an accurate accounting?
If done, if done well, is it remotely possible that the accounting process discovers opportunity instead of absolute abject belief in falsehood without question?
Could there be, there in the mirror, a source of hope, of competitive invention, a spark of such incredible power as to cause within the observer acknowledgement of a reasonable path to take in avoidance of all the doom and gloom; is it remotely possible? Is there new light on the path that does not require the nailing of innocent people to crosses?
Is there a way to avoid nailing anyone, guilty or not, to crosses, a way to avoid making torture legal, for fun, and for profit?
No way Jose, you utopian dreamer, you fool, and you who defines the meaning of a conspiracy theorist?
Why not consider the possible ramifications of a National Debt that becomes obviously unaffordable for anyone anywhere, and in that moment of clarity there is then a demand for a replacement, and at that moment of clarity, seeking that as yet mysterious supply to fit the demand, the observer considers reaching for a competitive option rather than the one option forced into use by the same known criminals? Why not? The same known liars, the same people, or even better liars, having the old worn out ones sent to the pasture, old ones, or new ones with new uniforms, or new symbols on their stationary, new flags, new versions of the same old thing, only this time the promise is going to pan out as advertised, this time, so forget about last time, this time the same old solution won’t result in the same old result, this time the final solution will work?
Hurray, where is my new flag!
Why not invent something competitive to compare to the one final solution this time?
Instead of a single source of only one thing, how about running a competitive version up against the one final solution, this time?
Instead of obey without question, this time, how about invention, and competition?
When the door opens, when the old boss is collapsed and out of fashion, when the dollar in the form of a fraudulent Federal Reserve Note, with the National Debt Clock still ticking, is put to rest, discarded, collapsed in upon itself, then, at that moment, as the door is open, and before the new final solution to all our economic problems is ushered into place, during that window of opportunity, before then becomes now,  before before becomes after, before the brain trust trusts in monopoly again, how about competition instead of monopoly? When that happens, that way, as unbelievable, as utopian, as dreamlike, as it may seem at first blush, what would happen then when competition offers many things instead of just offering one thing?
When a Republic such as Utah offers investors options in the form of bank accounts where deposits of earnings are redeemable in Gold and Silver and that offering competes with whatever the new form of the final solution might be, then, as that competitor, in that form, offers an alternative to more National Debt based fraud money. At the same time a Republic like Alaska may offer a competitive edge with petroleum backed money for investors, and at the same time a Republic like California may make moves to back their offers to investors with a renewed Space Industry, and a growing Solar Panel industry, and an Electric Car industry, or who knows what may be offered from an independent Republic if one exists because The People demand one, or two, or 50, all nice and comfortable, and secure, in a mutually defensive,  voluntary, association, or Federation.
Imagine the possibilities?
No, no, no, don’t throw me into that collapse, please; what would I do without high paid liars offering broken promises that never end?


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"Meanwhile I am cutting and pasting my first rough draft submission to the 1776 online magazine.

I will need to look over, and fix, or edit, the rough version, and if you can help, in any way, then I appreciate that help in advance.

So a cut and paste and then I'm off until later, possibly not returning until tomorrow."

Joe, that is really neat about the 1776 online magazine. Earlier this afternoon I took a look at the link you gave me (after I had replied to the previous reply) I will take look at your submission as soon as possible. The very first thing I do when I have a spare moment. I hope tonight, but it maybe tomorrow morning.

I am glad to help. Very exciting that you are submitting an article to 1776 magazine!

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Joe,

Here is a start on editing. I want you to know that I have started. Here are the notes and the edited text:

First paragraph:
Added comma between: fast & but.
Started new sentence after: their pay instead
(I did this because the sentence is transitioning from a statement to a question.)
Started new sentence/removed: And

New Separated 2nd Paragraph:
Started a new paragraph: after liars (I did this to focus on the question that is asked I am assuming that the question you are referring to is the question following the statement, not the questions preceding the statement.)
Added colon: between alone & how (Also capitalized How)
Removed comma between: lies & and (because the comma is only needed in a list or between two independent clauses)
Italicized: we & we the people (for emphasis)
Replace comma with ellipse between: sun & who

Pending Collapse or Golden Opportunity?

News travels fast, but propaganda travels faster when the criminals take over. Such is our fate when Liberty is forsaken, dropped like an old shoe, in favor of investments in lies. When the liars who invent the best lies are given the opportunity to fix their own pay rate, they don’t, they raise their pay instead. How well does that work, and what can be expected from liars?

So the question is asked, and not by me alone: How much longer can the investors in lies and the investors in wars that are so good for the economy…how much longer can we, you know we, how much longer can we the people afford to keep on giving while the measurable benefits dry up, as the supply of ready victims are merely corpses rotting in the sun…who is going to be left to do the actual work?
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It is 11:30 here and I have to be up early and taxi again tomorrow. I am hoping for time in the morning in between locations to do some more editing work. I will try to finish ASAP.

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"I was guilty of braking traffic laws..."

We are subjects of brainwashing. Some of us are finding out how to dirty our brains back up. Note, even here, how language manages to make the bad guys into good guys and the good guys into bad guys as a function of how the words are scientifically chosen. Brains are dirty so they need to be washed by the good guys.

If laws meant something other than crimes made legal then every guilty would be paying the same fine, every time, for speeding. If that is not even remotely possible, because of this or that reason, then why spend any time collecting those fines from only a few people who speed?

How about this angle: If an insurance actuary were to find the greatest cause of human injury by other human beings would the concept of preventing that cause of human injury be the first thing on the list of laws to be enforced?

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The willful orders to murder innocent people by the millions for the crime of living on a place where oil exists and the murderers desire control of that oil.

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Accidents

Can an accident be prevented by a third party?

Can a crime be prevented by a third party?

If there is no victim until someone demands a payment of money from an innocent person, then there was no victim until the innocent person had to pay the "traffic ticket."

How much would it cost, out of the innocent victims pockets, to prevent the willful murder of millions of innocent victims for fun and profit, for oil and legal control of the one money?

It costs less, out of pocket, for the innocent victims to prevent the willful murder of millions of innocent victims for fun and profit, because the way to prevent that is to stop paying Federal Income Tax through The Federal Reserve System, so that way to enforce that law, to prevent those most serious of crimes, is actually a money saver.

Can car accidents be prevented by allowing innocent people, who have not harmed anyone, to randomly pay, out of pocket, a sum of earnings to a gag of highway robbers?

1.
In every case where the Legal Criminals were no longer able to collect money from the innocent victims through fraud and extortion made legal, those crimes were prevented in that way.

2.
In no case has the random payment of money worked to prevent accidents, in fact, the opposite may be as likely as the idea that punishment for risky behavior leads to less risky behavior.

Cops hired by criminals to run confidence schemes on the side of the road.

If instead of a flow of money flowing to the people who hire the Cops to run confidence schemes on the side of the road, there were tickets sent to competitive insurance companies, and your insurance rates go up, for each ticket, based upon increased risk, then that is an entirely different concept, and a concept that remains voluntary.

If someone causing an accident is found to be guilty of causing an accident, then finding out a way to prevent that same thing happening again, could be done, but by who, by what process?

Someone willfully committing a fraud, which is what is happening when COPS are hired to lie, so as to get money from innocent people, then that is a willful crime, not an accident. The COP may be as much a victim as the "speeder," because the actual willful fraud was perpetrated as far back, in this country, as 1788.

Involuntary associations are code words for honest people so that honest people can identify the criminals who willfully create involuntary associations.

We can't even speak to each other. Our language is inculpatory evidence proving a willful crime upon the innocent.

How about this angle: If this land, and these roads, and the air we breath, is ours, not one person owning the roads, and not one group owning the roads, or the oxygen, then the word for that idea, for that concept, can be a handy word.

What is the word for collective ownership?

If oxygen is not collectively owned by everyone, each person having the equal power to breath it, then what power is at work to stop some of the people, some of the time, from breathing, owning, having, using, oxygen?

What word is used to convey the process by which one person, or one group of people, willfully remove access to oxygen from one person or one group of people?

Why is oxygen any different than land?

So, does it make sense, in that light, to see the wisdom of a man made law that says that any human being has a right to travel across the land, as much a right to travel across the land as any other human being, as much a right to breath air as travel across the land, so long as doing so does not steal away the air from someone else, and so long as doing so does not steal away the land from someone else, and what is a road?

What is your definition of a road?

If you define a road as your property, exclusively yours, then anyone on it, without permission from you, is effectively stealing it away from you, which is the same thing as stealing away your oxygen, and therefore you have been injured by that trespasser, in the same way as someone stealing away the air you breath, in principle, if not actually causing you to pass out, and die, from lack of oxygen.

If a criminal chokes you, throttles you by the throat, a little bit, leaving you brain damaged, but alive, then the principle is the same thing as someone removing you from access to the land you must have to survive on Earth.

Which oxygen is yours exclusively?

Which land is yours exclusively?

Who, by what process, is there a determination made as to who is allowed access to which oxygen, and who is allowed access to which land?

If someone stops you on the side of the road, commits a provable fraud upon you, recorded on video tape while the crime of fraud is perpetrated upon you, uploaded to the internet, witnesses are bearing witness to the crime in progress, true authorities who know the agreed upon laws are among the witnesses, and advice is freely given to the victim in the case at the time of the crime in progress, then, under those conditions, does the video now make sense?

Someone stopping you, demanding from you a portion of your life, is someone committing a crime upon you, someone who claims to own you, claims to own the road, claims to own your life, and even if that person is mislead into a false belief that that is not a crime, it remains to be a crime, if English can convey accurate meaning.

Even if the supposed laws supposedly authorizing the COP to stop you, and take from you, are honored by you, which to me is an error because I know where those laws come from, even if you honor those laws, the COP is, by those laws, perpetrating a crime upon you.

Why do they go get a supervisor?

They are misled. They are victim to the crime of fraud perpetrated by a LOWER authority. They are misled to look up to a higher authority when they are actually moving down to a lower authority when they go to find their LEADER who was the one committing the willful fraud, the lie, the twist, of voluntary association into involuntary association.

If the "chain of command" goes all the way up to the Supreme Court, and at no time does any false authority confess guilt of fraud, claiming mistake, or whatnot, then it will be the Supreme Court that openly enforces a crime of fraud on the record.

That is the point.

The Legal Criminals MUST maintain the appearance of honorable, justifiable, agreeable, reasonable, authority, or lawful order, otherwise the fact that they are, at the TOP, nothing but criminals will be exposed to all the victims.

See?

The COP is connected to only a few people at the branches.

The Supreme Court is connected to almost everyone, at the ROOT.

IF the COP can get away with a crime, without anyone defending against it, that is a statistically large amount of crimes, because there are many COPS, and crime pays well by those numbers, as a "piece of the action" flows to the real criminals from all those branches. A penny here, a penny there, from each branch, flowing to the root.

If one COP is successfully defended against, right there on the roadside, then the COP goes to find greener pastures, but the COP is no longer innocent at that point, now the COP has been shown true authority. The COP can no longer hid behind the lies of "doing good" and the COP now has to wrestle with failures to find the worst criminals and hold the worst criminals to account for such things as child sex slavery originating in Washington D.C., serial murder, originating in the same place, mass injury by willful poisoning of the oxygen supply, same source of crime POWER in Washington D.C., so on and so forth.

The root, again, goes back to 1788 in this Country.

I have babbled too long on this one thing, so I will now move on.

"You know the guy they were looking for in the red stocking cap?"

The criminals at WACO, and the criminals in New York during the ongoing 911 crimes, destroy inculpatory evidence. If there is a crime in progress the criminals can be known because their hands are red with blood and they are destroying the victims, removing the victims from existence, because the victims are forms of evidence, so that is a long way from someone not knowing if someone has committed a crime, for lack of evidence, since you, as a juror, have yet to see any evidence at all.

Man made law has proven to be merely fines paid by convicted criminals, where there is an innocent victim, and man made law does work to make crime unaffordable for the criminals in that way, using that due process.

Was Bill Clinton put on trial for the torture and murder at Waco?

Was George W Bush put on trial for the massive murders perpetrated in the still ongoing crimes of 911?

Those crimes are still in progress, so there are people right now hacking away, one of the hackers is named Barry Soetero, aka Osama Obama.

When did "Presidents" start needing aliases? Your time. My time. We are here and now.

1788, the good name of George Washington was (is) a fraud in progress, since the man was a known despot: Generalisimo Washington ruled with an iron fist upon his subjects.

"So, he will be proven guilty in a court of law. But something had to incriminate him. He must have been presumed guilty to be picked up by the Sheriff. How does that work?"

I've written to you about the few cases I have personal experience in Trial by Jury American Style, which is comparable to my understanding of how the design of sortition is supposed to work as a means of putting the blinders on the lady holding the scales. Trial by Jury worked the way it worked in my case, and in my son's case, because my son on one case, and me in another case, were hand picked by the Union lawyers. My latest experience was such that both Union Lawyers rejected my presence in the Jury, while, as far as I could tell, the Union Judge wanted me to be on the Jury. I know, by these experiences, how due process words the way it works, I was there, and I was not merely a passive witness. My viewpoint added to the power being exerted. I was the law in one case. I was excluded from the law by Union Lawyers in another case. My son was the Law in his case, ensuring that innocent people are not abandoned, to the reach of his power, and his power was reason.

What does reason mean when reason is used in the phrase "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt"?

Reason does not exist on paper. Paper records reason as a human being was the source of reason, and paper records the event that was an example of reason.

If you read an example of reason, yet you cannot know of reason, that does not make reason unreasonable as a fact, it merely suggests that either you are incapable of reason or the example is not a case of reason, so your example casts reasonable doubt as to that example of reason being a genuine, and not a counterfeit, example of reason.

If I eat one of two apples, on that table, it is reasonable to conclude that there will then be 10 apples on that table, after I eat one of the two apples on that table.

If I eat one of two apples on that table it is reasonable to conclude that there will be only 1 apple left on that table after I eat one of the two apples on that table, so long as other apples are not produced and placed on that table.

If a man is currently perpetrating a crime in front of 12 reasonable people, people with eyes to see the crime in progress, ears to hear the crime in progress, then it is reasonable to conclude that those 12 people are witnesses to the crime in progress, and it is further reasonable to conclude that those witnesses are criminals themselves if they all work to give more innocent victims to that criminal, so as to supply that criminal with a steady supply of innocent victims so long as that criminal remains powerful enough to keep on torturing and murdering the steady stream of innocent victims provided to the criminal by those 12 fellow criminals.

It is reasonable to conclude that 12 witnesses to a criminal perpetrating a crime in progress, are criminals themselves, if it is in their power to stop the crime, at no cost to themselves, such as a push of a button immobilizing the criminal, and instead of pushing the button all 12 witnesses sit and watch, eating popcorn, perhaps even cheering, clapping, applauding, waving flags.

Tonight is another night of questions and answers offered by Frank O'Collins, the person you convict as a liar, and I agree but only if The Bible is, in fact, the word of God, which I don't know, but anyway, I add this to our conversation because Frank uses the word Nihilist.

Do you know the meaning of the word Nihilist?

I think the word means that a person can be in such a state of being that the person either has no moral conscience or that the person has a moral conscience but the person willfully destroys moral conscience in his own mind. In other words a person is either unable or refuses to judge between right and wrong as if there is no such thing as right or wrong.

If there is no such thing as right or wrong, as far as my power of reason goes, then life itself is not good, or right, and therefore ending life is no different than bearing life. A murderer is no different on any scale of right or wrong, since there is no right, and there is no wrong, as parents: according to that type of reason.

When the unreasonable is claimed to be reasonable, how could someone exemplify that process, and is it a due process, as if to say that everyone will be processed in this manner?

If you wanted to remove the moral conscience of everyone alive, every human being, how would you go about accomplishing that goal?

If you figured out a way to remove the moral conscience of every human being alive, and you, and your group of like minded people began to work effectively at doing so, would that be an example of a reasonable due process?

Which steps would be necessary, along the way, to accomplish that goal?

Beat children until they no longer have a working moral conscience?

Make crime legal?

What happened in this Country in 1788?

"Yes, my goal is that you might see Jesus through the eyes of a child…a simple story. Is faith abject believe in falsehood? "

Faith as far as I know for you is a treasure, a fortune, a vast improvement in life on Earth, but those are my words, not yours.

I do not know your faith. I have, so far, no reasonable way of knowing your faith.

It is your faith, for reasons that you know.

Faith, by your definition, is not belief in falsehood, how could it be?

It can't be, by your definition of faith, and an example of how that works may help.

If, for example, I say that I believe that perception exists, and each time I work as hard as I can to expose my belief as being false, every single time, I fail to disprove my belief, then at this time, for me, I cannot know that my belief is false.

I believe that which can be prove to me, even while I question that belief, every time, so far, my belief passes every test.

How about this angle:

If I willfully reject any evidence that tests my belief, and I willfully ignore the obvious reason for me to reject any evidence that tests my belief, then reason, if used, by me, instead of reason being discarded by me, would suggest that my belief is not a belief, it is a willful lie that I borrow, or invent, so as to destroy my own moral conscience.

What is the source of reason?

What is the source of moral conscience?

If I listen to reason, and if I listen to moral conscience, where is the source of those powers over me?

If I look for the source of power, and there is so far no way for me to perceive it, to focus attention on it, to measure it, at the source of it, then I cannot know it, I cannot know that source, so far, and therefore it, the source of what I decide to listen to, the source of reason that I decide to listen to, the source of moral conscience that I decide to listen to, remains to be a source that I CANNOT KNOW.

Do I believe that there is a source of reason, and do I believe that there is a source or moral conscience?

Is it reasonable to claim that there is no such source, that there is no such thing as a source of reason, and is it reasonable to claim that there is no such source of moral conscience?

How does a human being become convinced in the need to destroy (or not listen to) reason, and moral conscience?

Is reason not the same thing as moral conscience?

If I knew, without any reasonable doubt, that The Bible was written by God, or The Devil, then that would be my condition of life at that time, a knowing, and where would I find that power, since I do not have that power now?

I DO NOT KNOW.

If you know, then you know, and if you don't know where you get that power to know, exactly, but you know better than I do, then it stands to reason that you can help me know what you know, eventually.

I believe that you can help me know better, more specifically, more accurately, more precisely, with greater clarity, what is, and what is not, the source of reason, which to me is the same source as the source of moral conscience.

If the goal is knowing better, in my view, I have to know where the source of reason and where the source of moral conscience is, and I can go there, and I can know better once I get there, or, again, me with my scales, I can move in that direction rather than moving on the opposite direction.

A nihilist may claim that the way to move closer to reason is to move further away from moral conscience.

I believe, so far, that that is not true.

"So, my goal, my goal is that you might have eyes that see and ears that hear and seek as a little child. Yes, God knows where to find you, and He already has. Did he not send me to speak of Him?"

English is problematic, this I can measure, and belief in what I can't measure is not required, not needed, not even useful, since belief can be confused with gambling, on an on, proving the point. The point being: English is problematic.

I can trust in your belief as if it were my own until proven otherwise by reason, or moral conscience, as I listen, and listen, and listen, for information that comes from a source of information whereby things "ring true," or make sense, or reason out, or add up, or work out, as pieces fit, and the puzzle takes form, and light is shown in the dark room, and dragons turn out to be little, pathetic, men behind curtains.

I can't know what you know, not yet, it is measurably not possible at this time, but not for lack of trying.

God is a him? We went this way before, and again: English is problematic.

Joe, God is righteous. God is holy. God is Just. God is a consuming fire. We are not. Because He is, all sin receives its just reward. What is the reward for sin? The lake of fire is the reward for sin. All sin will receive its reward there. God loves you Joe. That is why God took your reward upon Himself. It was the only way for justice to be served in the face of righteous holiness.
I see little, or no, reason in arguing about such words, in English, where you offer me something I see as being routine brainwashing, carrot and stick, man made falsehoods designed to remove the moral conscience, the power of reason, from the innocent targeted victims. That is what I see in your words above, so there is a measurable problem where you are intending to help me and I see instead a stack of symbols arranged in such a way as to exemplify a road sign that leads people off a cliff to their doom.

I've spoken about this analogy of a road sign before, so as to remove you from the viewpoint, and so as to allow us both to look at the road sign as it exists on that road.

I do not see any need to argue. If you have a message, and the message intends to help me, then that message, in English, is working in the opposite direction on me, at this time. I can explain in great detail as to how I reason out that message, you offer to me, as I listen to whatever POWER is the POWER of reason, from wherever the POWER of reason comes from, whatever the source of the POWER of reason, I listen to it, I am keen to hear the message of reason, and what I hear, may be false, I may have the wrong source in mind, who knows?

I don't know.

So, which paper is the authority? The law code? Or the document that is to be produced so as not to be assumed guilty? Is it the law code written upon a piece of paper that sets itself up as judge and jury? Is that what you are trying to get me to see regarding the Bible? It is printed words on paper setting itself up as the authority?
No, I don't think so, I think there are problems, including problems rooted in the English language, but many problems contributing to failures in reaching the goal of accurate communication.

I tell my wife, for example, that your POWER to know this thing that may be called a Spiritual Connection to God, in English, is what it is, so you are not an example of a person claiming that the proof of fact that The Devil did not write the bible is ONLY the words saying so in The Bible.

The proof of anything is not belief. Proof is proof. Again English appears to be problematic, and exemplary at the same time. In other words English exemplifies itself as a problem.

How about a solution?

If I ask two people the same question I can have competitive examples of the answers.

Problem:
Did the Devil write The Bible.

1.
No, and I can prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, right here, on page such and such, right here in The Bible, there is the true answer. Next question.

2.
I believe in Jesus Christ, and my belief occurred over time, this way, and that way, here and here, and I don't have absolute proof, and that is the point.

For you the problem is solved. For me the problem is not solved. What about the person who answers with answer 1 above?

I trust that you are not a person seized with what I call Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question, because I trust that you are honest.

You could be a complete fabrication of some very sophisticated computer program, for all I know.

You could be an Angel from Hell, for all I know.

I base my trust of you on that source, where I can't even find the source, of reason and moral conscience, which I think is the same source, and again English appears to be problematic, as your words continue to measure up as being someone who is, as I am, questioning.

Questioning?

Listening to reason?

Listening to moral conscience?

Is that not the precise opposite of Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question?

So you believe that you are possessed of something powerful, having something I do not have, a closer spiritual relationship with the son of God, and therefore a closer spiritual relationship with God, compared, side by side, with me.

Congratulations, that is worth emulating, a fine example of human life, something exemplary, something I can work at becoming.

Fair enough?

I ask Jesus now. I don't just ask God. I don't just ask my old friend Hank, or my Dad, or my Mom now, or may Aunt Mary, or Nanny, or anyone, please, anyone, help me, please. I now ask Jesus too.

So far I have not moved to the better place you have moved to but not for lack of trying, and if it is fair enough, then at some point we can go into greater detail concerning the reasons I think some of your words, in English, move in the wrong direction.

I don't know. I may be precisely moving in the wrong direction.

For now, it may be a good idea to move onto present matters concerning current information involving COPS and ROBBERS, here on Earth, and how better to know how to avoid all of it, or avoid as much of it as possible, while, at the same time, not abandoning the innocent victims currently being destroyed brutally by their tormentors if it is in someones power, on Earth, to do something, anything, to help those innocent people avoid their brutal tormentors.

If

I believe that it does help to publish words, even though we are using the problematic language known as English, I still think it helps the innocent victims avoid their brutal tormentors, to write, and publish, words as signs on the road.

Which signs?

I do this:

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home (look in the mirror)
4.
Do so by July 4th, 2013. Start now, finish early.

I may be working in the wrong direction.

I think I am listening to reason.

Where is the source of reason?

Is there a way to focus our combined viewpoints?

Where in The Bible does it suggest that Ending the FED is a good idea?

No where? So I'm wrong?

I can play the guitar instead of going in the wrong direction with my sign making?

Is the Creator the authority? If the Creator is righteous, holy, and just is not what that Creator writes upon a piece of paper Righteous, Holy and Just as well? The Creator Himself took your wages of sin upon Himself to delivery you from the paycheck due each time the sin time clock is punched.
So we may part ways. That can happen. I so not reason that out well. I reason that out as a sign on the road that is inaccurate at best. Is it worth the effort to accurately identify the source of my error in reasoning?


If a criminal writes words upon a piece of paper, are those words then the transport of crime in progress? Satan has written all over God’s Creation, “mine, mine, mine.” But the final choice is yours, Joe, as God says, will you be mine instead? Will you come as a child and believe My Word?
Ambiguity is not reasonable to me. Specifics are reasonable to me. Focus of attention to a fine point unto whatever is to be known, perceived, precisely, to me, is the road to reason, so that collection of words above, to me, are just so many words, in English, those words point in a general direction. If those words point to one specific collection of English symbols, known as The King James Version of The Bible, then there are specific challenges, questions, concerning English and King James and the specific people involved in the creation of English as a language, and the interpretation of other works that were interpreted and then published in that version of that book.

If it is a good idea to look specifically at that English version of that one book, then are there things I am not supposed to look at, because you say that the person offering historical records involving the publishing of that book, in English, is a liar?

Even if I agree to shoot the messenger, this guy named Frank, and he is now spirited off to the memory hole, the information he discovered, from other sources, remains to be either looked at, or spirited off into the memory hole.

We, if you agree, we can just as easily discard any references to any sources of information, and we can discuss the concept of original sin, and human responsibility, and human accountability, based upon our own individual power to know what individual responsibility, and individual accountability means, with, or without the POWER of God working miracles.

A list is what I mean to say:

1.
We can discuss one on one, to compare our individual, separate, viewpoints as they exist, without reliance upon references written on paper.

2.
We can discuss the relative merits of the words written on paper from various sources.

3.
We can discuss the relative merits of the people who wrote the original copies of the words written on paper or written on the skin of murdered children.

4.
We can discuss the relative merits of the people who translated the original copies of the words written on paper onto other paper.

5.
We can discuss the relative merits of the people discovering words on papers, or words on the skins of murder children.

6.
We can discuss methods of cooking meals.

7.
We can't do all things at once.

God has explained everything there and not one jot and not one tittle will pass away without being fulfilled.
As far as you are concerned that is true. As far as I am concerned that is ambiguous to the point of meaninglessness.

Between your perception and my perception on this specific thing, that quote just quoted, there is a gap, and the building of a foundation from which to then build a bridge of agreement between my perception, and your perception, is possible according to my belief.

I know that the gap exists, and I don't have to rely upon belief to know that the gap exists, and I can offer much detail in English words, of my own invention, and much detail in English words from other sources, if I go down the road that ends at a gap, and I then work on building that specific bridge.

What can I say in response to this:

God has explained everything there and not one jot and not one tittle will pass away without being fulfilled.
I don't know.


So, I asked you to watch a children’s drama about Jesus. Hoping that maybe, those words there and those pictures there might give a glimmer of what I try to explain ever so poorly.
While watching the video I could have stopped it, quoted from it, and worked in great detail to convey my perspective concerning what was specifically said, or specifically done, as a challenge to you. I challenge the concept of original sin, and the concept of human responsibility, and human accountability, with, or without miracles performed by God, Jesus, or anyone. Individual human thought, and individual human action is what it is and then there are other concerns concerning how those individual human thoughts and those individual human actions combine to form a power that is greater or lesser than the linear sum of each individual thought and action.

I can go into great detail.

To reply generally I can say, with confidence, that I do not know what you believe.

If I do not know what you believe, then wherever I get my power of reason from, the right source, or the wrong source, I fail to reason, in any way, a belief based upon something I have no power to know. In fact, when I begin to reason out the concept of original sin, and the concept of individual responsibility, and the concept of individual accountability, and the concept of human connections to other humans, I find your words in English to be sources of potential trouble.

I can go into great detail.

I can say, many times, that I do not know, up until a time in which I can say, accurately, that I do know.


There will be a day when a mark on the hand or forehead will be required to buy or sell. If one does not have that mark, they will be punished.
That looks like a source of trouble to me, along the same lines I've been reasoning out, thinking, working on, that looks like a very misguided arrangement of English symbols, and I can go into great detail, or I can honestly say that I do not know what you believe in reference to those specific words in English.

Getting rid of the opposition beforehand?.
I see no mystery in reference to criminals, they all do the same things.

There is no mystery.

Criminals lie.

Criminals threaten.

Criminals are aggressively violent upon the innocent.

How is that ever a mystery?

A victim is victim to a lie?

A victim is victim to a threat?

A victim is victim to aggressive violence perpetrated by a criminal?

What is the need for, the demand for, secrets?

we will not take the mark
Which mark? Do you have a social security number?

Do you have a drivers license number?

If you do, and it is strictly voluntary, then it is no different than someone wanting to save time by having a bar code voluntarily tattooed on their hand. Where is the victim of such a crime if it is strictly voluntary?

If, on the other hand, your social security number is a way that the criminals tag you, and you are a victim, and the criminals then take from you because you are a thing according to them, and you are thing number such and such, then that is exactly that, no more, and no less.

The mark, if it is criminal, if that is the problem, criminals mark their victims, is here, has been here, already.

If the criminals grow more powerful, because the victims are working harder to have more things for the criminals to steal, then it does not take a prophet to realize what happens down that road.

Patrick Henry spelled it out well enough.

"But bear being a pig wants Joe to listen to all of them."

Frank offers remedy.

If Cooper does not, then that it is reasonable to know the difference, at least based upon the source form which my power of reason is gained.

I started listening to Frank at the time he recorded his first phone call sessions dated as:
11/11/2010 09:00 PM EST

Back then he used labels such as Jesuits, Khazarian Parasites, and The Roman Cult to aim the finger of guilt at those people in those groups as being the source of so much, or the greatest amount of, human misery on Earth.

My words.

Now Frank, jumping head to the present recordings, and the live phone messages, I've attended 2 now, now Frank uses the word Nihilists.

Which words, which labels, are used by Cooper?

Which person, which human being, is more powerful, at any given moment, than another human being?

I can't write myself a check for as much money as everyone else combined and claim my check to be good, and get away with it.

The people running The International Monetary Fund (not the label, not the legal fiction, the actual people) run The Federal Reserve, and The Dollar Hegemony, and The World Reserve Currency, and they can, someone can, some number of people can, agree to write that check, and they have wrote that check, and they are buying World War III.

I can't buy World War III.

Do I have the power to opt out of World War III?

Do I have the power to help anyone opt out?

The criminals employ deceit, threats, and violence.

Have I ever lied to you?

Have I ever threatened you?

Have I ever caused you physical harm?

I can turn that around.

I trust that you have never lied to me, willfully, and even if some of the information that you offer to me happens not to be totally true, I have the power that I use to question information sufficient for me to have a power of defense against falsehood.

It matters not if the falsehood arrives in by brain from the inventor of the lie or just a messenger transporting the lie.

I must have some power, in me, to guard against lies.

I trust that you have never threatened me. If your words convey a threat, whereby my failure to believe as you do will result in my end in a lake of fire, then to me that could be seen as a threat, and to you that information could be merely a fact, based upon your belief. To me it is something I just don't know, therefore it does not work as a threat, or a promise, it is merely ignorance on my part, and it is not willful ignorance since I am actively, willfully, working at knowing.

I can ask Jesus right now. Tomorrow. I get the same answer.

So far.

I trust that you are incapable of doing me any physical harm so long as I am not attacking you or your family.

The Golden rule is not merely words written in English.


I am going to rest abit before answering your latest welcome reply which was separated from the first one because the forum wouldn't let you edit. It may be tomorrow. I am playing Mom Taxi all week long, and I am only home for a couple of hours this afternoon before I have to start driving again. The youngest has a 9pm baseball game tonight as well.
I too, or me too, playing the part of taxi.

Same boat on time too, I want to get more work done on The Daily Paul, someone is discussing a topic with me, and I have that new project to work on with the 1776 magazine.

Your welcome perspective helps, please know that much.





 










 




 








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I took this off the page for reasons that should have been obvious to me.

Thanks for the work on the new project. You are teaching me well, and the work may pay off some day.

Who knows?


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Joe, it is almost 5 now and I have been home for about 30 minutes today. I was not able to work as much on editing as I had wished. Here is what I have completed thus far:

I still have a little more than a page to edit. I will continue unless I hear differently. But I am going to rest abit now and I have church tonight.


First paragraph:
Added comma between: fast & but.
Started new sentence after: their pay instead
(I did this because the sentence is transitioning from a statement to a question.)
Started new sentence/removed: And

New Separated 2nd Paragraph:
Started a new paragraph: after liars (I did this to focus on the question that is asked I am assuming that the question you are referring to is the question following the statement, not the questions preceding the statement.)
Added colon: between alone & how (Also capitalized How)
Removed comma between: lies & and (because the comma is only needed in a list or between two independent clauses)
Italicized: we & we the people (for emphasis)
Replace comma with ellipse between: sun & who

3rd Paragraph:
Changed word from: done to perpetrated (just because I didn’t think done sounded good.)

4th Paragraph:
No Changes

5th Paragraph:
Removed comma between: liars & in (this is an essential clause see http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/1/ )
Removed 3 commas and replaced with: Parenthesis & dash
SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IN PHRASE: all crimes made legal (Consider removing the word all, since all may or may not be able to be quantified as 100%.)
Removed words: when all that (to help sentence flow)
Replaced comma with question mark between: out & what (Started new sentence and capitalized: What)
Replaced question mark with colon between: Next & What
Replaced colon with period between: effort & then (Started new sentence and capitalized Then)

6th Paragraph:
Added WITH between: sing & the
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Content with edits included:

Pending Collapse or Golden Opportunity?

News travels fast, but propaganda travels faster when the criminals take over. Such is our fate when Liberty is forsaken, dropped like an old shoe, in favor of investments in lies. When the liars who invent the best lies are given the opportunity to fix their own pay rate, they don’t, they raise their pay instead. How well does that work, and what can be expected from liars?

So the question is asked, and not by me alone: How much longer can the investors in lies and the investors in wars that are so good for the economy…how much longer can we, you know we, how much longer can we the people afford to keep on giving while the measurable benefits dry up, as the supply of ready victims are merely corpses rotting in the sun…who is going to be left to do the actual work?

What happens when the supply of frauds, robbers, pedophiles, rapists, kidnappers, slave masters, extortionists, drug pushers, torturers, serial killers, and war makers (for fun and profit, all made legal) reaches that condition of oversupply? When is it enough? When is it no longer beneficial to pay those high rates for all that crime perpetrated by those in office? When do we no longer get paid anything in return?

What happens after the fall?

What happens when the demand for very high paid liars in public office (hired to cover up all the other crimes - all crimes made legal) peters out? What happens next: when this process reaches that point of collapse, when the inevitable result of the law of diminishing returns takes hold, and that beast won’t let go without an inspired return to a demand for honest effort. Then what? Do we demand more of the same in a different suit, with a different flag, and another color of fraud money?

Do we get a new song to sing with the same old tune?
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I wonder if we can make a deal on this team we have in writing, as my thoughts are leaning toward a ghost writer name whereby neither of us take credit for our work. I don't know if that is agreeable, but it sounds agreeable as far as my part is concerned.

How about a ghost name like this:

Epictetus

The idea is not to hide my name, or disguise me, the idea is first to acknowledge the fact that I am not the only contributor to the effort to write the message offered, another idea is to return to some sense of American history since it was traditional, I suppose that is the right word, traditional, or it was "in fashion" to use ancient names when speaking through newspapers in the effort to negotiate Liberty in early America. The other idea behind this specific Ghost name is to call attention to that specific name in history.  Stocism was, in my way of speaking, for Liberty , or against Legal Crime, in fact, not only in words. In other words the Stoics were of the mind that you can't join them to beat them, you beat them by not being them. Does that make sense?
I like your edit work so far, and I have some ideas for my own editing, but I will wait for you to finish edit work on the 1776 magazine submission.




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My notebook updated to Internet Explorer 10 and I am having fitts getting to certain websites and getting videos to play. I have very limited RAM...just thought I'd let you know of my technical difficulties as of late!


:) Here is my thought on philosophy:

Colossians 2:8 KJV
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

:)

It matters not to me if you want to have a ghost name, but I don't want to have that ghost name, but you can have it. That does not matter to me. It does not matter to me that I have any name at all or any credit at all. So what I am saying is, "Go for it." and I will tag along but please do not make me be a stoic. I am a Christian. My allegiance is to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Written Word of God. And to me, Joe, that is the only writing that matters. The words in the Bible are not a man's words. They are the Very Word of God.

OK so you can call yourself Epictetus and that is fine by me.
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Here is what I have completed so far. I have to stop and rest before the evening round of activities hits.

It looks like I have 1/2 a page left, but I am not ready to tackle it.

First paragraph:
Added comma between: fast & but.
Started new sentence after: their pay instead
(I did this because the sentence is transitioning from a statement to a question.)
Started new sentence/removed: And

New Separated 2nd Paragraph:
Started a new paragraph: after liars (I did this to focus on the question that is asked I am assuming that the question you are referring to is the question following the statement, not the questions preceding the statement.)
Added colon: between alone & how (Also capitalized How)
Removed comma between: lies & and (because the comma is only needed in a list or between two independent clauses)
Italicized: we & we the people (for emphasis)
Replace comma with ellipse between: sun & who

3rd Paragraph:
Changed word from: done to perpetrated (just because I didn’t think done sounded good.)

4th Paragraph:
No Changes

5th Paragraph:
Removed comma between: liars & in (this is an essential clause see http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/1/ )
Removed 3 commas and replaced with: Parenthesis & dash
SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IN PHRASE: all crimes made legal (Consider removing the word all, since all may or may not be able to be quantified as 100%.)
Removed words: when all that (to help sentence flow)
Replaced comma with question mark between: out & what (Started new sentence and capitalized: What)
Replaced question mark with colon between: Next & What
Replaced colon with period between: effort & then (Started new sentence and capitalized Then)

6th Paragraph:
Added WITH between: sing & the

7th Paragraph:
JOE: I am considering the phrase: “of making war ever so good for the economy” and that it applies both to “the fun” and “the profits” so I am editing by removing commas between: fun & and / profits & of
Replacing Comma with “and” between: bill & paying

8th Paragraph:
No Changes

9th Paragraph
Replaced comma with colon between: you & what
Removed comma between: insane & find
Changed finding to find and added semi colons between
(added capitalization to “What” for new sentence)
Replaced comma with semicolon between: Waco & or / case& or / (http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/1/ Use a semicolon to join elements of a series when individual items of the series already include commas.)
Added ellipses in place of commas at the end of the paragraph.

Joe, I have not made editing notes for the rest of the article to save time so I could get this part back to you. You can compare the paragraphs with the originals after paragraph 9. OK?

Joe, I don’t understand the last part of this sentence: “No way Jose, you utopian dreamer, you fool, and you who defines the meaning of a conspiracy theorist?” Specifically: and you who defines the meaning of a conspiracy theorist? I also do not understand the question mark.


Edited version so far:
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Pending Collapse or Golden Opportunity?

News travels fast, but propaganda travels faster when the criminals take over. Such is our fate when Liberty is forsaken, dropped like an old shoe, in favor of investments in lies. When the liars who invent the best lies are given the opportunity to fix their own pay rate, they don’t, they raise their pay instead. How well does that work, and what can be expected from liars?

So the question is asked, and not by me alone: How much longer can the investors in lies and the investors in wars that are so good for the economy…how much longer can we, you know we, how much longer can we the people afford to keep on giving while the measurable benefits dry up, as the supply of ready victims are merely corpses rotting in the sun…who is going to be left to do the actual work?

What happens when the supply of frauds, robbers, pedophiles, rapists, kidnappers, slave masters, extortionists, drug pushers, torturers, serial killers, and war makers (for fun and profit, all made legal) reaches that condition of oversupply? When is it enough? When is it no longer beneficial to pay those high rates for all that crime perpetrated by those in office? When do we no longer get paid anything in return?

What happens after the fall?

What happens when the demand for very high paid liars in public office (hired to cover up all the other crimes - all crimes made legal) peters out? What happens next: when this process reaches that point of collapse, when the inevitable result of the law of diminishing returns takes hold, and that beast won’t let go without an inspired return to a demand for honest effort. Then what? Do we demand more of the same in a different suit, with a different flag, and another color of fraud money?

Do we get a new song to sing with the same old tune?

What happens when everyone and their mom have joined in the fun and profits of making war ever so good for the economy, and there are no longer any hapless victims left who are footing the bill and paying the National Debt, on schedule, as they are told to do, even while the most effective tax evaders are giving themselves the highest pay rates for jobs done to a high degree of competitive excellence?

Now what: punt?

In fact, in reality, coming to a theater near you: what happens when the hired liars who have grown fat, stupid, greedy, foolish, and insane find their way into your church, as in Waco; or your home, as in the Vicky Weaver case; or your building, falling down around you, as in 911…for fun and profit…for war and for might making right…right in your life, and right now?

Call 911, like the Branch Davidians? “They are shooting again, tell someone to call it off.”

When does the pendulum swing too far into mass insanity, passing the point of no return, where those who produce anything worth stealing are outnumbered and outgunned against those who make stealing legal, and like rats on a sinking ship, the remaining survivors have nothing to eat but each other?
When do those honest enough to admit the existence of responsibility take the time to look in the mirror and affect an accurate accounting?

If done, if done well, is it remotely possible that the accounting process discovers opportunity instead of absolute abject belief in falsehood without question?

Could there be, there in the mirror, a source of hope, of competitive invention, a spark of such incredible power as to cause within the observer acknowledgement of a reasonable path to take in avoidance of all the doom and gloom; is it remotely possible? Is there new light on the path that does not require the nailing of innocent people to crosses?

Is there a way to avoid nailing anyone, guilty or not, to crosses, a way to avoid making torture legal, for fun, and for profit?

No way Jose, you utopian dreamer, you fool, and you who defines the meaning of a conspiracy theorist?

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Here is the complete edited version. I cannot say that it is perfect. But I am tossing it back to you because you had said you had some ideas. I decided not to rest and finished it instead. We have a busy evening and another busy day tomorrow...next week will be a little slower...I think.

Pending Collapse or Golden Opportunity?

News travels fast, but propaganda travels faster when the criminals take over. Such is our fate when Liberty is forsaken, dropped like an old shoe, in favor of investments in lies. When the liars who invent the best lies are given the opportunity to fix their own pay rate, they don’t, they raise their pay instead. How well does that work, and what can be expected from liars?

So the question is asked, and not by me alone: How much longer can the investors in lies and the investors in wars that are so good for the economy…how much longer can we, you know we, how much longer can we the people afford to keep on giving while the measurable benefits dry up, as the supply of ready victims are merely corpses rotting in the sun…who is going to be left to do the actual work?

What happens when the supply of frauds, robbers, pedophiles, rapists, kidnappers, slave masters, extortionists, drug pushers, torturers, serial killers, and war makers (for fun and profit, all made legal) reaches that condition of oversupply? When is it enough? When is it no longer beneficial to pay those high rates for all that crime perpetrated by those in office? When do we no longer get paid anything in return?

What happens after the fall?

What happens when the demand for very high paid liars in public office (hired to cover up all the other crimes - all crimes made legal) peters out? What happens next: when this process reaches that point of collapse, when the inevitable result of the law of diminishing returns takes hold, and that beast won’t let go without an inspired return to a demand for honest effort. Then what? Do we demand more of the same in a different suit, with a different flag, and another color of fraud money?

Do we get a new song to sing with the same old tune?

What happens when everyone and their mom have joined in the fun and profits of making war ever so good for the economy, and there are no longer any hapless victims left who are footing the bill and paying the National Debt, on schedule, as they are told to do, even while the most effective tax evaders are giving themselves the highest pay rates for jobs done to a high degree of competitive excellence?

Now what: punt?

In fact, in reality, coming to a theater near you: what happens when the hired liars who have grown fat, stupid, greedy, foolish, and insane find their way into your church, as in Waco; or your home, as in the Vicky Weaver case; or your building, falling down around you, as in 911…for fun and profit…for war and for might making right…right in your life, and right now?

Call 911, like the Branch Davidians? “They are shooting again, tell someone to call it off.”

When does the pendulum swing too far into mass insanity, passing the point of no return, where those who produce anything worth stealing are outnumbered and outgunned against those who make stealing legal, and like rats on a sinking ship, the remaining survivors have nothing to eat but each other?
When do those honest enough to admit the existence of responsibility take the time to look in the mirror and affect an accurate accounting?

If done, if done well, is it remotely possible that the accounting process discovers opportunity instead of absolute abject belief in falsehood without question?

Could there be, there in the mirror, a source of hope, of competitive invention, a spark of such incredible power as to cause within the observer acknowledgement of a reasonable path to take in avoidance of all the doom and gloom; is it remotely possible? Is there new light on the path that does not require the nailing of innocent people to crosses?

Is there a way to avoid nailing anyone, guilty or not, to crosses, a way to avoid making torture legal, for fun, and for profit?

No way Jose, you utopian dreamer, you fool, and you who defines the meaning of a conspiracy theorist?

Why not consider the possible ramifications of a National Debt that becomes obviously unaffordable for anyone anywhere: in that moment of clarity, there is then a demand for a replacement; at that moment of clarity, seeking that as yet mysterious supply to fit the demand, the observer considers reaching for a competitive option rather than the one option forced into use by the same known criminals? Why not? The same known liars, the same people, or even better liars (having the old, worn-out ones sent to the pasture) old ones or new ones with new uniforms or new symbols on their stationary, new flags, new versions of the same old thing, only this time the promise is going to pan out as advertised. This time, so forget about last time, this time the same old solution won’t result in the same old result. This time the final solution will work?

Hurray! Where is my new flag?

Why not invent something competitive to compare to the one final solution this time?

Instead of a single source of only one thing, how about running a competitive version up against the one final solution, this time?

Instead of obey without question, this time, how about invention and competition?

When the door opens, when the old boss is collapsed and out of fashion, when the dollar in the form of a fraudulent Federal Reserve Note (with the National Debt Clock still ticking) is put to rest, discarded, collapsed in upon itself, then, at that moment as the door is open, and before the new final solution to all our economic problems is ushered into place…during that window of opportunity before then becomes now…before before becomes after…before the brain trust trusts in monopoly again: how about competition instead of monopoly? When that happens, that way, as unbelievable, as utopian, as dreamlike as it may seem at first blush, what would happen then, when competition offers many things instead of just offering one thing?

When a Republic, such as Utah, offers investors options in the form of bank accounts where deposits of earnings are redeemable in Gold and Silver, and that offering competes with whatever the new form of the final solution might be, then that competitor, in that form, offers an alternative to more National Debt-based, fraud money; then at the same time a Republic, like Alaska, may offer a competitive edge with petroleum backed money for investors; and then at the same time a Republic, like California, may make moves to back their offers to investors with a renewed Space Industry, a growing Solar Panel industry, and an Electric Car industry. Who knows what may be offered from an independent Republic if one exists because The People demand one --or two --or 50, all nice and comfortable and secure in a mutually defensive, voluntary association or Federation.

Imagine the possibilities?

No, no, no, don’t throw me into that collapse, please! What would I do without high paid liars offering broken promises that never end?

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I don't know how many times I can repeat the concept of not joining, not me, I don't, it is not in me, I'm not a joiner, I don't believe as if turning on a switch that suddenly transports me into membership with believers, which goes for Christians, Mormons, Buddhists, Muslims, Branch Davidians, One Heaven, Two Heaven, Luciferian, Statist, Fascist, Communist, Socialist, Capitalist, Jewish, without reservation.

I reserve reservation to not belong, or belong, only to that which I truly belong, or not belong to, as time goes by, and as I may occupied different spaces, and as I may displace whatever is where I will be then.

Labels, labels, labels, and some power at work forcing people here and there, and am I that power?

"please do not make me be a stoic"

The concept of a Ghost Writer had to do with things offered, not things not offered, and at no time have I offered to make you anything, which would not be an offer, it would be making you be something against your will, which is something I am now suspect of desiring?

Tongue in cheek?

I stumbled upon another idea for another submission, and it was roughly written in a new Category and new Forum here on this Web Site.

Thanks for the help on the Collapse or Opportunity submission, I can now work at finishing it up, let it hang out awhile, and then submit it as if it were worth submitting after some reflection.

I've been shooting off my mouth so long, rambling at will, that the ideas flow better, but the writing projects are very rough - in need of your generous help in my opinion.

Thanks again.




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"Labels, labels, labels, and some power at work forcing people here and there, and am I that power?"

please do not make me be a stoic

"The concept of a Ghost Writer had to do with things offered, not things not offered, and at no time have I offered to make you anything, which would not be an offer, it would be making you be something against your will, which is something I am now suspect of desiring?"



You make me laugh, Joe. I never thought of it that way.

But what if your offer was the ghost name of Lucifer?

Would that not be a label of some sort?

Is not a Ghost Name taken from an historic person sorta like a label because the reputation of that person is imparted to that name into the mind of the person that reads that name?

Like Mark Twain at the DP. Isn't that sort of a label?

OK, I am home for a few minutes before my next road trip...I made four 40 mile round trips to the Walmart town up the road...160 miles going to town 20 miles up the road. Crazy.

I will resume working on Joe Quotes. I hear we have an audience of expectant readers looking forward to a completed product!

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bear, I took this off the page for reasons that should have been obvious to me. Thanks for the work on the new project. You are teaching me well, and the work may pay off some day. Who knows? I just went back to look for that information as I thought I remembered seeing something.  I was wanting to see your submission.  I have had explorer problems so I couldn't even get the 1776 home page to load.  I think I may have things finally fixed. Anyways, I am going to do some bookwork now.  The oldest is chomping at the bit for a game of Monopoly so I will have to eventually break for the game.  The youngest is at camp and the oldest wants to know how many games of Monopoly we are going to get to play this week. :)

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I took the information off this Forum because that cut and paste included my username and password to gain access to Submissions.

I submitted the Collapse or Opportunity article and I have not received any response to that submission, as far as I know.

I just sent this to those people:


Team,

I sent a submission, and I have uses for that submission. I use what I write on Forums. If there is a way I can link your site, where my submission is published, then I could link your site where my submission is published.

Absent any information concerning your use of my words I see no need to continue submitting my words into what is to me a dead end at this point.

In fact I will publish my submission to you as an example of how information travels in modern times.

Here is where I find a use for my submission to you:

http://www.dailypaul.com/291071/lindsey-williams-you-positively-must-get-out-of-paper

That is at the moment a source of information that is ONE WAY communication. In other words, there are no responses, no discussion, no feedback, no effort to challenge, to improve upon, or to check, and to balance, that information. So I see a use for my submission to your Team.

I will publish my submission to your Team, without a link to your On-Line Magazine, since at this point there is perceived by me an opportunity to challenge, improve, and offer productive information in the face of so much Dictatorial Information, and I can do so right at that point in the stream of information.

I can delay my effort to publish my offering of a competitive perspective. I can do so because I prefer to link a Web Site with the potential to challenge the Dictatorial Norm. If you can't use my words, I can.

Thanks

Joe


I have another submission already roughly written and I see no reason to continue sending my work to a place that does not offer feedback, at least on The Daily Paul Forum I get the occasional reply to my work.

You exemplify such feedback, to my work, from my end, from your end it is a mutual benefit, it is two way communication, or equitable commerce, which is agreement, competition, adaptation, and it is not Monopoly, Dictation, One-Way communication.

Someone else at The Daily Paul inspired me to offer a lot of information all arranged into neat order, and that person had offered a lot of information, and so there was again an example of how that works that way.

Here:

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If the game Monopoly was combined with the game Risk what would the skills being developed be with that combination?

Monopoly teaches the value of enforcing scarcity.

Risk teaches the value of enforcing scarcity.

Both involve the scarcity of land use.

Does that make sense?




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So whatever you do with the other counterfeit vote, the votes that won't be counted, is superfluous at best, and counterproductive in a measurable way. As you could have done something useful with the time you spend choosing and then actually voting in the National Election Psycho.

Changed "votes" to singular; changed "As" to "since;" changed "spend" to "spent" and revised punctuation:

Your vote of sending Federal Reserve Notes to the National Government is the actual vote that counts, it seems to me. So whatever you do with the other counterfeit vote (the vote that won't be counted) is superfluous, at best, and counterproductive, in a measurable way, since you could have done something useful with the time you spent choosing and then actually voting in the National Election Psycho.

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You are actually playing with psychopaths, and that is the fact of the matter in any way you may want to measure it. It ends up being participation in torture and mass murder made legal.

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You are actually playing with psychopaths, and that is the fact of the matter, in any way you may want to measure it.

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To me there will be a judgment day, and on that day the vote you cast in Federal Reserve Notes sent to the National Legal Crime Cabal will count much more than your frivolous mark placed on an official sounding National Election computer screen, or card, or paper ballot, but they both will say the same thing.

Changed comma to semicolon and removed "and." Also added comma after day.

To me there will be a judgment day: on that day, the vote you cast in Federal Reserve Notes sent to the National Legal Crime Cabal will count much more than your frivolous mark placed on an official sounding National Election computer screen, or card, or paper ballot, but they both will say the same thing.

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You lend moral and material support to torture and mass murder made legal. And not just one person tortured once, legally, and not just one murder victim murdered once, since the scale of these crimes makes Hitler and the Nazi crimes pale in comparison. Since as you have been shown already, it is the same process that was used to finance both Hitler and Stalin; therefore, the body counts are accountable to those specific people who invent, produce, and maintain this THING, which is a process of lending moral and material support to that most egregious crime made legal CABAL that can be known by many names, such as The Dollar Hegemony, denominated in dollars, or the World Bank, or the World Reserve Currency Power, or The New World Order, or Legal Crime, whichever word accounts most accurately.

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You lend moral and material support to torture and mass murder made legal (not just one person tortured once, legally -- and not just one murder victim murdered once) since the scale of these crimes makes Hitler and the Nazi crimes pale in comparison. You have been shown already that the same process was used to finance both Hitler and Stalin; therefore, the body counts are accountable to those specific people who invent, produce, and maintain this THING which is a process of lending moral and material support to that most egregious crime-made-legal CABAL that can be known by many names such as: The Dollar Hegemony (denominated in dollars), or the World Bank, or the World Reserve Currency Power, or The New World Order, or Legal Crime…whichever word accounts most accurately.

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Again, to me, your vote for Romney is pathetic compared to the flow of Federal Reserve Notes that flow from you, and all the other honest productive people, flowing to Legal Crime Central, so...

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Again, to me, your vote for Romney is pathetic compared to the flow of Federal Reserve Notes that flow from you and all the other honest productive people…flowing to Legal Crime Central, so...

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What is really important, now that we have spoken about the pathetic stuff?

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What is really important now that we have spoken about the pathetic stuff?

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I can't vote for Romney, I do not want that to haunt me for the slightest increment of time, never mind for eternity.

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I can't vote for Romney. I do not want that to haunt me for the slightest increment of time, never mind for eternity.

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If Ron Paul is on the ballot, I have a reason to vote because he may work toward ending The FED, the IRS, and bringing the troops home.

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If Ron Paul is on the ballot, I have a reason to vote because he may work toward ending The FED and the IRS as well as bringing the troops home.

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Evil is evil. Stop supporting it and it will be supported less, and how can that not be obvious, and accurately measurable?

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Evil is evil. Stop supporting it, and it will be supported less. How can that not be obvious and accurately measurable?

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This is confusing to me:

"He seemed to listen." [Joe: Not a reference to Romney]
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I wonder if I should change it as follows:

"The person I was talking to seemed to listen"

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If we were farmers and we found out our soil was gaining aluminum, barium, and other things, and that the PH was turning acidic. Would hoping that it goes away do any good?

Combined into single sentence as the first sentence seems incomplete to me:

If we were farmers and we found out our soil was gaining aluminum, barium, and other things, and that the PH was turning acidic, would hoping that it goes away do any good?

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I can't get far from the obvious solutions and I have my own competitive ideas as to how to accomplish those solutions.

1. End the FED
2. End the IRS
3. Bring the Troops Home

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I can't get far from the obvious solutions, and I have my own competitive ideas as to how to accomplish those solutions:

1. End the FED
2. End the IRS
3. Bring the Troops Home

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"So, Joe, what can we do about it? How can we get enough American’s to wake up over night?"

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"So, Joe, what can we do about it? How can we get enough Americans to wake up over night?"

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Liberty works one way (many competitive ways).

Legal Crime works another way (obey or else).

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Liberty works one way: many competitive ways.

Legal Crime works another way: obey or else.

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When the Friends of Liberty fight Legal Criminals the Legal Criminals are the offenders, and the Friends of Liberty are the Defenders, if it comes to that, and it has in the past, so this is not NEWS.

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When the Friends of Liberty fight Legal Criminals, the Legal Criminals are the offenders and the Friends of Liberty are the Defenders, if it comes to that, and it has in the past, so this is not NEWS.

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In a dark room there will be a lot of stumbling around?

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In a dark room, there will be a lot of stumbling around?

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The buildings were losing money, so they had to be destroyed. The people who destroyed them made a profit, and the fact that they destroyed them with a lot of people in them was even more profitable for the criminals who destroyed them since they could then make money on the aggressive wars for profit that were launched by falsely blaming innocent people for the crime of destroying those building while people were still in 2 of them. The third building was evacuated.

Broke into an additional sentence and pluralized building:

The buildings were losing money, so they had to be destroyed. The people who destroyed them made a profit. The fact that they destroyed them with a lot of people in them was even more profitable for the criminals who destroyed them since they could then make money on the aggressive wars for profit that were launched by falsely blaming innocent people for the crime of destroying those buildings while people were still in 2 of them. The third building was evacuated.

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Afghanistan was on the list of places to destroy with aggressive war because of the opium that is grown in Afghanistan and because of the need to use the place to transport petroleum products, oil and natural gas, through it.

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Afghanistan was on the list of places to destroy with aggressive war because of the opium that is grown in Afghanistan and because of the need to use the place to transport petroleum products (oil and natural gas) through it.

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The demolition of those buildings on that day was a classic case of a False Flag operation. No different than dressing up as Indians, slaughtering White Settlers, blaming the slaughter of White Settlers on the neighboring Indians so as to slaughter the Indians and then take over control of the land that is occupied by the Indians.

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The demolition of those buildings on that day was a classic case of a False Flag operation. No different than dressing up as Indians, slaughtering White Settlers, and blaming the slaughter of White Settlers on the neighboring Indians in order to slaughter the Indians to then take over control of the land that is occupied by the Indians.

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It is an unambiguous case of willful premeditated murder for profit.

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It is an unambiguous case of willful, premeditated murder for profit.

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If you were on a Jury, a real Jury not a counterfeit one, you could ask anyone whose profession is relevant to the case, and you could judge the case on professional evidence discovered during the case, and then actual people could be held accountable for those crimes.

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If you were on a Jury (a real Jury, not a counterfeit one), you could ask anyone whose profession is relevant to the case, and you could judge the case on professional evidence discovered during the case, and then actual people could be held accountable for those crimes.

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That looks a lot better. I remember having trouble with that message, so your improvement is very obvious to me.

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I like that improvement. It flows.

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If the game Monopoly was combined with the game Risk what would the skills being developed be with that combination?

I believe in my editing work yesterday, I came across the answer to that question:

"No different than dressing up as Indians, slaughtering White Settlers, and blaming the slaughter of White Settlers on the neighboring Indians in order to slaughter the Indians to then take over control of the land that is occupied by the Indians." --Joe Kelley

i.e. money interest combined with military interest used by Legal Criminals...except some of their crimes are not Legal, but very well covered up, as in dressed up in costume...and the innocent white settlers and the innocent native Indians pay the cost as they are made scarce so that a new crop of white settlers and marauders can be fostered and reaped for a scarce gain. -- bear

And add lib words from Joe coming to the front of bear's memory: What if all the money sunk into scarcity was directed towards investments in abundance?

OK Joe, now bear must get to work. I am sorry the 1776 thing didn't work out. But what I am not understanding is what difference does it make whether people talk back or make comments? Maybe seeds are planted. Maybe those seeds take hold and form new thought patterns in the readers. You may never personally know the benefit of your words left as seeds, but if people benefit, what difference does it make if it is one-way communication? Or maybe I am not understanding correctly.

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“No faith is not earned. Ephesians 2: 8 - 9 (quoting so may not be perfect) “For by grace are ye saved THRU FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS A GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.”
Faith is a gift. We will not stand in our own merit. It will all be of God. I will not be able to stand there in his presence and say, “Look what I have done to get here.” Joe the point is: I can't get there alone. I am without hope in this world without Christ.”


That answer to that question is added to this book, because my ears can listen, but I am only one lost soul. [Joe: addition to original]

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bear: “No, faith is not earned, it is a gift: Ephesians 2: 8-9 (quoting so may not be perfect) For by grace are ye saved THRU FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS A GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.

"Faith is a gift. We will not stand in our own merit. It will all be of God. I will not be able to stand there in is presence and say, ‘Look what I have done to get here.’ Joe the point is: I can't get there alone. I am without hope in this world without Christ.”


(That answer to that question is added to this book, because my ears can listen, but I am only one lost soul. --Joe)

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I don't know. I am not God. I have to question my own judgment, failure to do so is ludicrous, deceitful, threatening, and can place me in violent situations: if I am not careful enough to question my own judgment where and when I can still afford to do so in time.

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I don't know. I am not God. I have to question my own judgment. Failure to do so is ludicrous, deceitful, threatening, and can place me in violent situations: if I am not careful enough to question my own judgment where and when I can still afford to do so in time.

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"I suppose jackals and piranhas yell fire…and thinking of it from your welcome explanation given by Solzhenitsyn, it is to silence competition whereby ectropy would exist?"

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"I suppose jackals and piranhas yell fire…and thinking of it from your welcome explanation given by Solzhenitsyn, fire is yelled to silence competition whereby ectropy would exist?"

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What if all the money sunk into scarcity was directed towards investments in abundance? OK Joe, now bear must get to work.

I am sorry the 1776 thing didn't work out. But what I am not understanding is what difference does it make whether people talk back or make comments? Maybe seeds are planted. Maybe those seeds take hold and form new thought patterns in the readers. You may never personally know the benefit of your words left as seeds, but if people benefit, what difference does it make if it is one-way communication? Or maybe I am not understanding correctly.

Feedback is how I learn how to communicate both ways. How can I learn if I can't listen to feedback?

What is the nature, the substance, and the form of the resistance to feedback?

What blocks the flow of information?

In the case of the 1776 Web Site, who knows, I don't, they stopped replying to me.


As to the use of power to make power abundant there are obvious accurate measures is stark contrast to the opposite, once those filters, like sun glasses, are used when looking around.

What is love?

What is hate?


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The problem with connectivity is such that destructive things can travel as well as productive things, and if someone were to confuse destructive things with productive things, they may BLAME the medium of exchange, because they fail to judge the stuff being transferred accurately.

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The problem with connectivity is such that destructive things can travel as well as productive things, and if someone were to confuse destructive things with productive things, they may BLAME the medium of exchange because they fail to judge the stuff being transferred accurately.

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What is love?

What is hate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvgILBGcavQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pra8Rktk40I

Feedback is how I learn how to communicate both ways. How can I learn if I can't listen to feedback?

When does one teach?

When does one learn?

What is the goal?

End the Fed & IRS and bring the troops home?

What is the goal of the folks at 1776?

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I keep repeating the same thing.

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer." Thomas Paine

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I keep repeating the same thing:
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. — Thomas Paine

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When the people who are being destroyed by despotism (Legal Crime) wake up, they then stop seeking the virus as if the virus can cure them.

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When the people who are being destroyed by despotism (Legal Crime) wake up, they then stop seeking the virus, as if the virus can cure them.

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Legal Criminals know this, and so they make sure that those ideas do not become current, those ideas do not gain currency. And instead of those ideas gaining currency, a virus called Falsehood is made current, gaining currency through such things as Television which is almost an ideal Medium of Exchange for Dictators (Legal Criminals).

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Legal Criminals know this so they make sure that those ideas do not become current, and those ideas do not gain currency. Instead of those ideas gaining currency, a virus called Falsehood is made current, gaining currency through such things as Television, which is almost an ideal Medium of Exchange for Dictators (Legal Criminals).

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When human beings stop seeking the virus, as if it was the cure, they will look back at this time and they will wonder, as we wonder about the people in Germany during the Nazi regime, "what were they thinking?"

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When human beings stop seeking the virus, as if it was the cure, they will look back at this time and they will wonder, as we wonder about the people in Germany during the Nazi regime, "What were they thinking?"

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"Josf, can you hear the lies?"
You want to vote for Romney?
Sure, I can hear the lies. It is pathological.


That there makes me smile...Josf, is so patient with bear :) I wonder did you laugh when you read it the first time? bear wants to vote for Romney, and wonders if Josf can hear the lies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaTB2Q3v6Zc

I suppose I am getting off topic :)

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"Balance is in order…I have a family…I just don’t have time even though I don't like what I see as injustice, or playing dirty."

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I spent my life, my power, making rocks and sand for construction, for the most part, the productive physical part of my life. And what would I have done had I been more balanced, more productive, better, more connected with the concept of morality, productivity, spirituality?

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I spent my life, my power, making rocks and sand for construction, for the most part, the productive, physical part of my life. What would I have done had I been more balanced, more productive, better, more connected with the concept of morality, productivity, spirituality?

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God only knows and I'm going to be clued in on Judgment Day?

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To me the principle at work there: is the concept of any willful injury to anyone by anyone, is an injury to everyone. The innocent victim on the table being tortured right now is not happening in your kitchen. And the fact that it isn't happening in your kitchen is merely incidental. You are next. You are paying for that torture, so you are next, unless you hire on as the torturer, and even then you are only delaying your turn on the torture table. There will always be a more powerful criminal to take your place when the number of ready victims becomes scarce.

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To me, the principle at work there is the concept of any willful injury to anyone by anyone is an injury to everyone. The innocent victim on the table being tortured right now is not happening in your kitchen, and the fact that it isn't happening in your kitchen is merely incidental. You are next. You are paying for that torture, so you are next unless you hire on as the torturer, and even then you are only delaying your turn on the torture table. There will always be a more powerful criminal to take your place when the number of ready victims becomes scarce.

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That is the Might makes Right scenario, cannibalism, we each eat each other until there are two of us left.

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That is the Might makes Right scenario – cannibalism – we each eat each other until there are two of us left.

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Yes if it concerns injuries to innocent people; no if it does not concern injuries to innocent people. Who is “we?”

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Yes, if it concerns injuries to innocent people. No, if it does not concern injuries to innocent people. Who is “we”?

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Without morality, or spirituality (whatever word works best) the “Decide” part is directionless or will the decide part be directed by evil?

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Without morality or spirituality (whatever word works best), the “Decide” part is directionless, or will the decide part be directed by evil?

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To me this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. And that is uncontroversial if there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities," and our world is driven by equitable thoughts and actions, The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality, whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world. Our world, where we have less at the start of the day and we have more at the end of the day, on average, over time, while the other world is Might making Right, or Falsehood, Lies, Threats, and Violence, taking and using what is taken to take more. So you can try to figure out from our world what their world is like, but seriously, it is another world. So you can, at best, guess, and you can borrow from other people: “Confessions of a Monopolist” by Frederic Clemson Howe, or “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” by John Perkins, or “Money Masters.” Whatever, the pieces start fitting into an understandable viewpoint, but how far from your world of productivity is that world of destruction?

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To me, this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. That is uncontroversial if there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" and our world is driven by equitable thoughts and actions: The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality (whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world). Our world, where we have less at the start of the day and we have more at the end of the day, on average, over time, while the other world is Might making Right or Falsehood, Lies, Threats, and Violence taking and using what is taken to take more. So you can try to figure out from our world what their world is like, but seriously, it is another world. So you can, at best, guess, and you can borrow from other people: Confessions of a Monopolist by Frederic Clemson Howe, or Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins, or Money Masters, whatever, the pieces start fitting into an understandable viewpoint, but how far from your world of productivity is that world of destruction?

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Are there false examples of Liberty being invented, produced, and maintained by Legal Criminals to divide and conquer those who would be effective at defending Liberty had the fake stuff not been in place to burn out defensive power as defensive power is thereby shunted, wasted, spent doing nothing or worse?

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Are there false examples of Liberty being invented, produced, and maintained by Legal Criminals to divide and conquer those who would be effective at defending Liberty had the fake stuff not been in place to burn out defensive power as defensive power is thereby shunted, wasted, spent doing nothing, or worse?

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I don't think a Legal Criminal would ever allow such as thing as the Ross Perot thing to happen if it can be avoided. A baseline was set back when the National Debt was merely 4 Trillion, if I remember right, and now there is another ZERO added to that tally.

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I don't think a Legal Criminal would ever allow such a thing as the Ross Perot thing to happen if it can be avoided. A baseline was set back when the National Debt was merely 4 Trillion, if I remember right, and now there is another ZERO added to that tally.

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How is that not the same thing as curiosity? We do not see the same way, but I don't think the differences are of any great significance, not, for example, as different as us being compared with someone who employs deceit, threats of violence, and violence to get what they want from innocent victims. You know, voters in a National Election.

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How is that not the same thing as curiosity? We do not see the same way, but I don't think the differences are of any great significance. Not, for example, as different as us being compared with someone who employs deceit, threats of violence, and violence to get what they want from innocent victims. You know, voters in a National Election.

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Humor may have found a way into my thinking at that point, it happens often enough, but I don't remember that specific exchange well enough to report accurately.

I can say that often I cringe, or a similar feeling of repulsion, when my perception of life is invaded by very evil people, and it is to me an infection of my mind to have any sense of giving any of those high paid liars any credit for anything other than being high paid liars.

Ron Paul, and too few other people, are exceptions to the rule that Monopoly Government (Legal Crime) is ruled, with few exceptions, by criminals.

Romney makes my skin crawl, just like Clinton. G.W. Bush was comical, an obvious puppet, a frat boy out of his league, to me, more the source of comic relief.

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I think you are doing the fine work that is required to make a book worth reading.

I am following along on the improvements, and I found a possible additional improvement in this:

To me, this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. That is uncontroversial if there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" and our world is driven by equitable thoughts and actions: The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality (whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world).

To be more precise there is a problem I see here:

That is uncontroversial if there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" and <------------- here

It could be disconnected further so as not to confuse.

Such as:

To me, this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. That "debt" based world is uncontroversial since there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" proving the fact. Our productive world, on the other hand, is driven by equitable thoughts and actions: The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality (whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world).

It could be arranged better, but I think that there was a problem with the flow of perspective when the two worlds collided in the sentence.


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I have your note above.  Thank you for providing me with the additional improvement.  We are at Grandma's for the 4th and was too tired last nite to do any work.  I will try to do some today.

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To me, this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. That "debt" based world is uncontroversial since there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" proving the fact. Our productive world, on the other hand, is driven by equitable thoughts and actions: The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality (whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world).


Offered Improvement by Joe:


To me, this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. That "debt" based world is uncontroversial since there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" proving the fact. Our productive world, on the other hand, is driven by equitable thoughts and actions: The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality (whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world). 


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To me, this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. On one hand, the "debt" based world is uncontroversial since there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" proving that fact. Our productive world, on the other hand, is driven by equitable thoughts and actions: The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality (whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world).

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That is the name of the game, to gain at the expense of other people before other people can gain at your expense.

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That is the name of the game: to gain at the expense of other people before other people can gain at your expense.

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Might makes right (people driven by that mode of behavior) is a virus that consumes, like cancer, living beings. The entire human race operating on that basis of might making right will consume the entire human race rapidly, starting out slowly, but the pace of consumption, each person at each other's throat, quickens, and the end is a very rapid hell on earth with the last two people having a dire need to kill each other or die trying.

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Might makes right (people driven by that mode of behavior) is a virus that consumes, like cancer, living beings. The entire human race operating on that basis of might making right will consume the entire human race, rapidly. Though starting out slowly, the pace of consumption, each person at each other's throat, quickens, and the end is a very rapid hell on earth with the last two people having a dire need to kill each other or die trying.

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And then two people having similar goals, meet, and they then combined POWER to make less POWER into more POWER which is exponentially more POWERFUL due to division of labor, specialization, and economies of scale compared to one person alone and also compared to two people working separately.

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And then two people having similar goals meet, and they then combine POWER to make less POWER into more POWER which is exponentially more POWERFUL due to division of labor, specialization, and economies of scale compared to one person alone and also compared to two people working separately.

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One way makes power abundant and the other way destroys life on Earth.

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One way makes power abundant, and the other way destroys life on Earth.

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If there are no immoral people connected in any way to the group of people who are cooperative, what happens to TOTAL POWER and what is likely to be the difference between the least powerful person and the most powerful person as measured by the scale of Purchasing Power whereby the POWER of deceit is not a factor, and the POWER of threats of violence is not a factor, and the POWER of violence upon the innocent productive people is not factor?

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If there are no immoral people connected in any way to the group of people who are cooperative, what happens to TOTAL POWER? What is likely to be the difference between the least powerful person and the most powerful person as measured by the scale of Purchasing Power whereby the POWER of deceit is not a factor, and the POWER of threats of violence is not a factor, and the POWER of violence upon the innocent productive people is not factor?

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Person A is X percent more POWERFUL than Person B, without the factor of ill gotten, criminal, means?

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Person A is X percent more POWERFUL than Person B without the factor of ill gotten, criminal, means?


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"To me, this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume. On one hand, the "debt" based world is uncontroversial since there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities" proving that fact. Our productive world, on the other hand, is driven by equitable thoughts and actions: The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality (whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world)."

I approve of this message. :)

Why do I think that is so funny?

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Why do I think that is so funny?
Perhaps funny boy takes after you?  Anyways, it made me smile.  I am going to try to do a little work this afternoon.

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If you want we can go through the math in the link provided to help illustrate the point and make the point relevant to this:

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If you want, we can go through the math in the link provided to help illustrate the point and make the point relevant to this:

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Do people find winning lottery tickets in the garbage can?

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If you had millions of dollars handed to you from a lottery ticket you found in the garbage then you would be "lucky" and the grey area of how that much purchasing power became your interest, your concern, or came to be within your POWER to control, to invest, or spend, or save, or give away, would be illustrative of this point.

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If you had millions of dollars handed to you from a lottery ticket you found in the garbage, then you would be "lucky." The grey area of how that much purchasing power became your interest, your concern, or came to be within your POWER to control, to invest, spend, save, or give away, would be illustrative of this point.

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Had I gained control of many millions of units of purchasing power handed to me I'd build a house facing the sun, burmmed into the earth on three sides for insulation, Solar Panels, Windmills, two water wells, an electric fleet of cars to run as a taxi service, a large lot.

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Had I gained control of many millions of units of purchasing power handed to me, I'd build a house facing the sun, burmmed into the earth on three sides for insulation, Solar Panels, Windmills, two water wells, an electric fleet of cars to run as a taxi service, a large lot.

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 I have no use for gold or silver and if I am no longer of any value to anyone, then I guess I'll be dumpster diving.

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I have no use for gold or silver, and if I am no longer of any value to anyone, then I guess I'll be dumpster diving.

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What is the point at which a person has so much "money" that they then have to start working, spending time and energy, keeping their money safe from the criminals?

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What is the point at which a person has so much "money" that they then have to start working (spending time and energy) to keep their money safe from the criminals?

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Too many people have joined in the legal crime club, expecting to be handed something for nothing, and they have yet to find out the true cost of that decision, and when they finally get to judgment day, it will be too late to choose a moral path.

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Too many people have joined in the legal crime club, expecting to be handed something for nothing. They have yet to find out the true cost of that decision, and when they finally get to judgment day, it will be too late to choose a moral path.

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If you buy one in so many years you can buy two and then in so many years you can buy four, and then sixteen. It is very long term investments, like buying a house, or buying a farm, or buying a productive business.

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If you buy one solar panel in so many years, you can buy two, and then in so many years you can buy four, and then sixteen…It is a very long term investment…like buying a house, or buying a farm, or buying a productive business.

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It is like an education. You buy a book, with your time spent reading it carefully, like the Bible I suppose, (there are very valuable things in the Bible) to help make life much richer.

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It is like an education. You buy a book, and with your time spent reading it carefully, you hope to help make life much richer. (Like the Bible I suppose, there are very valuable things in the Bible.)

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The principle is based upon having less power today and having more power tomorrow. On a very small scale or a very large scale power gaining slowly over a long period of time, or power gaining faster over a shorter time.

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The principle is based upon having less power today and having more power tomorrow: on a very small scale or a very large scale, power gaining slowly over a long period of time or power gaining faster over a shorter time.

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"If all the Trillions of Dollars Spent on keeping the Monopoly Money Fraud Power maintained, destroying so much in that effort, was spent only on Solar Panels, nothing else, and sold at cost, or "given" away, instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction: there would be how much production measurable as electricity and whatever was made with electricity?

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"If all the Trillions of Dollars Spent on keeping the Monopoly Money Fraud Power maintained (destroying so much in that effort) was spent only on Solar Panels, nothing else, and sold at cost or "given" away -- instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction -- there would be how much production measurable as electricity and whatever was made with electricity?

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How much would electricity cost if every bomb, missile, military base overseas, solider, food, clothing, supplies shipped overseas, was turned back in time, all the way back to the decision to invade Pennsylvania by Washington in 1794, and instead of that investment in maintaining the Money Monopoly Fraud business, all that POWER was exclusively spent on making Solar Panels, how much would electricity cost per Kilowatt/Hour now?

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How much would electricity cost if every bomb, missile, military base overseas, solider, food, clothing, supplies shipped overseas, was turned back in time…all the way back to the decision to invade Pennsylvania by Washington in 1794…and instead of that investment in maintaining the Money Monopoly Fraud business, what if all that POWER was exclusively spent on making Solar Panels? ow much would electricity cost per Kilowatt/Hour now?

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What would the world be like if no one ever had to work another minute to pay for transportation fuel, home heating fuel, and every single business that requires fuel, POWER, no longer had to add that cost to the price of what they sell?

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What would the world be like if no one ever had to work another minute to pay for transportation fuel or home heating fuel and if every single business that requires fuel (POWER) no longer had to add that cost to the price of what they sell?

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What if, instead of spending all that POWER on destroying things to keep the Money Monopoly Fraud Power secure, was instead spent on making more POWER out of less POWER?” —Joe

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What if instead of spending all that POWER on destroying things to keep the Money Monopoly Fraud Power secure, POWER was instead spent on making more POWER out of less POWER?” —Joe

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In that case DOLLARS are being sold. Dollars are being sold, and sold short.

You have dollars, you don't want them, you sell them short, you bet on the dollars becoming worthless. I think that is the general idea of selling short.

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In that case DOLLARS are being sold. Dollars are being sold, and sold short: you have dollars, you don't want them, you sell them short, you bet on the dollars becoming worthless. I think that is the general idea of selling short.

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Ohhhhhhh, I need money.

What?

I need money.

Here have some gold.

Noooooooooo I need money.

Here have some silver.

Noooooooooooo I need money.

Here have some Solar Panels.

Noooooooooooo I need money.

Here have some worthless green paper with numbers printed on it.

HORRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAA! I have MONEY!

What?

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“Ohhhhhhh, I need money.”

“What?”

“I need money.”

“Here, have some gold.”

“Noooooooooo, I need money.”

“Here, have some silver.”

“Noooooooooooo, I need money.”

“Here, have some Solar Panels.”

“Noooooooooooo, I need money.”

“Here, have some worthless green paper with numbers printed on it.”

“HORRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAA! I have MONEY!”

“What?”

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The story was told and I don't know how true it was, and it concerned a 3 Term Presidency for Obama, so I don't put much weight in it.

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The story was told, and I don't know how true it was, but it concerned a 3 Term Presidency for Obama, so I don't put much weight in it.

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I do know that the Central Bankers (Legal Criminals) cause small booms and small busts on a schedule to keep the victims guessing. While the general trend for America is BUST; while the general trend for Asia is BOOM.

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I do know that the Central Bankers (Legal Criminals) cause small booms and small busts -- on a schedule -- to keep the victims guessing: the general trend for America is BUST…while the general trend for Asia is BOOM.

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So an Oil Shale boom in U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) sounds perfectly reasonable, a few years of counterfeit economic growth, throw in a lot of false advertisements on the Major brainwashing networks, and people feel better, feel safe, and the wars appear to be distant, and the TSA Gestapo may be backed off too, who knows?

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So an Oil Shale boom in U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) sounds perfectly reasonable, a few years of counterfeit economic growth, throw in a lot of false advertisements on the Major brainwashing networks, and people feel better, feel safe, and the wars appear to be distant, and the TSA Gestapo may be backed off too. Who knows?

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You call a Solar Panel company, they say yes, and you now have Solar Panels on your house, and you pay less per month for the same electricity.

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You call a Solar Panel company: They say, “Yes,” and you now have Solar Panels on your house, and you pay less per month for the same electricity.

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I think that one of the reasons why a World War is necessary, and America has to be gutted, taken down, is the new age of FREE ENERGY, which is not FREE ENERGY, it is Cost-Less-Power.

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I think that one of the reasons why a World War is necessary and America has to be gutted, taken down, is the new age of FREE ENERGY, which is not FREE ENERGY, it is Cost-Less-Power.

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That is the tune. They, or we, know that we are aiding, contributing, making, causing, driving, escalating, fueling disaster, betting on disaster, but we do it anyway, because we are going to win, relatively speaking, and we have a lot of money to keep safe, so we are finding how to keep a lot of money safe - If we have a lot of money.

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That is the tune. They, or we, know that we are aiding, contributing, making, causing, driving, escalating, fueling disaster, betting on disaster, but we do it anyway because we are going to win, relatively speaking, and we have a lot of money to keep safe, so we are finding how to keep a lot of money safe - If we have a lot of money.

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About 50% of the population, it seems to me, roughly, are duped into thinking that they too are among the rich, when in fact they are merely expendable game pieces, doing useful things. Things needed to keep the Money Monopoly Fraud oiled up.

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About 50% of the population, it seems to me, roughly, are duped into thinking that they too are among the rich. When in fact, they are merely expendable game pieces doing useful things…things needed to keep the Money Monopoly Fraud oiled up.

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Person A is paid some 16,000 Federal Reserve Notes, I'm not sure if I remember the number right, for playing cards at the local Army base most of the time for a month while they are out in the desert, and then it is "show time," and they pretend to be Iraqi citizens, and the Troops pretend to be "spreading democracy" on them.

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Person A is paid some 16,000 Federal Reserve Notes (I'm not sure if I remember the number right) for playing cards at the local Army base most of the time for a month while they are out in the desert, and then it is "show time," and they pretend to be Iraqi citizens, and the Troops pretend to be "spreading democracy" on them.

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So...you have someone joining them, everyone has joined ‘em. If you use dollars, you are a member of the Union, but the level of "interest" is interesting.

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So...you have someone joining them. Everyone has joined ‘em…if you use dollars, you are a member of the Union, but the level of "interest" is interesting.

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"How about that for a chapter title: If you can’t beat them join them and then discuss how joining them actually ruins power/abundance?"

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"How about that for a chapter title: 'If you can’t beat them, join them,’ and then discuss how joining them actually ruins power/abundance?"

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A next step is to pick a pamphlet size, a size of the paper, which makes me think, since I have regular letter paper printers, so that will be a possible determining factor.

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A next step is to pick a pamphlet size, a size of the paper, which makes me think that since I have regular letter paper printers, that will be a possible determining factor.

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JOE, could you please look at this as I think that I have re punctuated in order to keep the meaning as you intended...i.e. genuine democracy which is called mob rule by the counterfeiters.

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You have explained, right there, that which is genuine "democracy" or "mob rule" as the counterfeiters are apt to call it.

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You have explained, right there, that which is genuine "democracy" (or "mob rule" as the counterfeiters are apt to call it).

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"I do though want to maintain value of money. That does not mean that I want to play a market or buy and sell. It would only mean that if I have some money I might want to put it into something that would retain value."

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"I do, though, want to maintain value of money. That does not mean that I want to play a market or buy and sell. It would only mean that, if I have some money, I might want to put it into something that would retain value."

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All that talk about investing in Gold and Silver is talk that is of interest to people who have a lot of accumulated wealth. And my question to anyone with enough wealth to inspire an interest in finding a safe place for it is: how did you get all that power when power is so scarce these days?

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All that talk about investing in Gold and Silver is talk that is of interest to people who have a lot of accumulated wealth. My question to anyone with enough wealth to inspire an interest in finding a safe place for it is, “How did you get all that power when power is so scarce these days?”

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You have explained, right there, that which is genuine "democracy" or "mob rule" as the counterfeiters are apt to call it.

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You have explained, right there, that which is genuine "democracy" (or "mob rule" as the counterfeiters are apt to call it).
The change is an improvement to me. The genuine democracy is voluntary, and the counterfeit version of democracy is involuntary, or in other words there is a free market version in Liberty and there is a criminal version.






How much would electricity cost if every bomb, missile, military base overseas, solider, food, clothing, supplies shipped overseas, was turned back in time, all the way back to the decision to invade Pennsylvania by Washington in 1794, and instead of that investment in maintaining the Money Monopoly Fraud business, all that POWER was exclusively spent on making Solar Panels, how much would electricity cost per Kilowatt/Hour now?

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How much would electricity cost if every bomb, missile, military base overseas, solider, food, clothing, supplies shipped overseas, was turned back in time…all the way back to the decision to invade Pennsylvania by Washington in 1794…and instead of that investment in maintaining the Money Monopoly Fraud business, what if all that POWER was exclusively spent on making Solar Panels? ow much would electricity cost per Kilowatt/Hour now?
I don't know if the typo is only a Forum typo or a typo in the book word file, the sentence is improved (in my opinion) otherwise.





"If all the Trillions of Dollars Spent on keeping the Monopoly Money Fraud Power maintained (destroying so much in that effort) was spent only on Solar Panels, nothing else, and sold at cost or "given" away -- instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction -- there would be how much production measurable as electricity and whatever was made with electricity?
I want to know why double dashes are used instead of triple periods or parenthesis or comas or single dashes.

1.
"given" away -- instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction -- there would

2.
"given" away...instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction...there would

3.
"given" away (instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction) there would

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"given" away, instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction, there would

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"given" away - instead of all that actual, measurable, destruction - there would

Is that the first incidence of using -- ?

I saw improvements in some long sentences with ... replacing comas.

Some of these grammar improvements I am picking up on, but the two dashes are new enough for me to ask for clarification or a link, please.

I hope all is well in bear world.



It is like an education. You buy a book, with your time spent reading it carefully, like the Bible I suppose, (there are very valuable things in the Bible) to help make life much richer.

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It is like an education. You buy a book, and with your time spent reading it carefully, you hope to help make life much richer. (Like the Bible I suppose, there are very valuable things in the Bible.)
I wonder about the need for parenthesis with the long sentence divided into two smaller sentences?





If you buy one solar panel in so many years, you can buy two, and then in so many years you can buy four, and then sixteen…It is a very long term investment…like buying a house, or buying a farm, or buying a productive business.
Is "...It" supposed to be capitalized?

I see you are now working on this, and I know it is very tiring work for me, so I hope you are not suffering through it too much. If you want I can take the file and work on it awhile. I can try to use your routine corrections as far as I know at this point.

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Do people find winning lottery tickets in the garbage can?

bear,

I don't know, but that sounds like a minor increase in the odds of winning, since the odds of winning are very high, and then adding the odds of finding a lottery ticket in the garbage is even more "lucky" with even higher odds against winning.


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Someone has to be financing the Military Industrial Money Monopoly Complex other than my tax payments, and I don't get anything in return, I don't even get the Social Security I thought was an insurance policy taken out on my behalf in the event that I got sick, which is what happened. And I went all the way to a judge, and the judge said, basically, don't call us we will call you.

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Someone has to be financing the Military Industrial Money Monopoly Complex other than my tax payments, and I don't get anything in return. I don't even get the Social Security I thought was an insurance policy taken out on my behalf in the event that I got sick. Which is what happened, and I went all the way to a judge, and the judge said, basically: Don't call us, we will call you.

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Not the troops, at least not the low level troops, which would be what: anyone Colonel or Captain rank or lower?

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Not the troops, at least not the low level troops…which would be what…anyone Colonel or Captain rank or lower?

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Get a house in the country, build it half under-ground, burmmed on three sides, facing south; get a bunch of Solar Panels, a fleet of Electric Cars; hire drivers to taxi and sell the cars. What is the problem?

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Get a house in the country, build it half under-ground, burmmed on three sides, facing south; get a bunch of Solar Panels and a fleet of Electric Cars; hire drivers to taxi and sell the cars. What is the problem?

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I hear that the soil is now deteriorating, being contaminated with aluminum and barium for some strange, inexplicable, mysterious, reason.

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I hear that the soil is now deteriorating, being contaminated with aluminum and barium for some strange, inexplicable, mysterious reason.

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It does not have to be either/or and that is the point, each moral person IS responsible, and each moral person, by definition, pays their own costs, going on their own authority, not mine.

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It does not have to be either/or, and that is the point. Each moral person IS responsible, and each moral person, by definition, pays their own costs, going on their own authority, not mine.

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"So my $100 just sits turning into less and less as each day goes by. What should I do?"

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"So my $100 just sits, turning into less and less as each day goes by. What should I do?"

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Again, and I think the passage that goes "give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" applies. You are not even in the game, so those concerns (how much you can make money make money) do not apply, not unless you figure out how to supply a demand.

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Again, and I think the passage that goes "give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" applies. You are not even in the game, so those concerns (how much you can make money “make money”) do not apply, not unless you figure out how to supply a demand.

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I think that there will be a demand for the information you are uncovering. So an investment now may actually be a book and the accumulation of knowledge required to sell the book. But that makes sense to me in the context of my present situation, along the same lines as learning how to work as a Common Law Lawyer or run for office.

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I think that there will be a demand for the information you are uncovering, so an investment now may actually be a book and the accumulation of knowledge required to sell the book, but that makes sense to me, in the context of my present situation, along the same lines as learning how to work as a Common Law Lawyer or run for office.

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Tomato jars is the same thing.

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Tomato jars are the same thing.

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You have scarce power in knowing better as to how to make more power out of less power, so what is the best investment of your scarce power now?

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You have scarce power in knowing better how to make more power out of less power, so what is the best investment of your scarce power now?

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I think that the most important power required, stored in your mind, is knowing that a fork in the road may arrive too soon and the right way has to be taken because the wrong way is too costly. And by that I mean that a person can become their own worst enemy if they are not prepared mentally for very challenging situations where doing the wrong thing may appear to be an easy way out, including doing nothing.

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I think that the most important power required, stored in your mind, is knowing that a fork in the road may arrive too soon and that the right way has to be taken because the wrong way is too costly. By that I mean that a person can become their own worst enemy if they are not prepared mentally for very challenging situations where doing the wrong thing may appear to be an easy way out, including doing nothing.

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You are invited to listen in as Joe sets bear straight on what is tax and what is voting and what possibilities might constitute paying or not paying taxes. bear is amazed as Joe can take a single word or phrase or question and dissect the concept into many different possibilities. bear laughs reading Joe’s words, “I'm not buying the premise of the question - at all.” bear never imagined that such a question would not be bought! If Joe were a fish, he would be colossal indeed, as he never seems to swallow hook, line, and sinker! bear didn’t even imagine that a bait and switch routine was offered. I think that is partly what intrigues bear when dialoging with Joe, as simple questions are asked, one never knows what multi-faceted, educational reply will return!

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You are invited to listen in as Joe sets bear straight on what is tax, and what is voting, and what possibilities might constitute paying or not paying taxes. bear is amazed as Joe can take a single word, or phrase, or question and dissect the concept into many different possibilities. bear laughs reading Joe’s words, “I'm not buying the premise of the question - at all.” bear never imagined that such a question would not be bought! If Joe were a fish, he would be colossal indeed, as he never seems to swallow hook, line, and sinker! bear didn’t even imagine that a bait and switch routine was offered. I think that is partly what intrigues bear when dialoging with Joe, as simple questions are asked, one never knows what multi-faceted, educational reply will return!

JOE, I miss this: "I think that is partly what intrigues bear when dialoging with Joe, as simple questions are asked, one never knows what multi-faceted, educational reply will return!"

I know times change and we find ourselves in different places these days, but I sincerely miss those precious spoons offered to me. I even hoped today that all that I had woken up to was maybe just a mistake, but reading the exchange in this comment reminds me that things are not as I once thought they were. But I sure wish I still enjoyed that "pie in the sky" that I thought I was living under. I guess it is a different kind of pie, perhaps a cow pie as it seems in this dialog you remind me that crap rolls downhill.

I hope all is well with you and yours.  I will hit page 100 soon!

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These symbols in English were arranged and published as currency, verbal currency, equitably transferred on the Forum called The Daily Paul, over a span of many months. Since then, and credited to bear’s diligent help, I’ve made major breakthroughs in thinking – I think.

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These symbols in English were arranged and published as currency, verbal currency, equitably transferred on the Forum called The Daily Paul, over a span of many months. Since then, and credited to bear’s diligent help, I’ve made major breakthroughs in thinking – I think.

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Person A is a victim if Person A is forced to pay those taxes or pay taxes of a different nature such as being forced to go to the Gulag, be raped, beaten, or murdered, or just spending "time out" of Liberty watching television.

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Person A is a victim if Person A is forced to pay those taxes or pay taxes of a different nature such as: being forced to go to the Gulag, be raped, beaten, or murdered, or just spending "time out" of Liberty watching television.

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But any outward communication that may signal to other people that questions are being asked internally, may, fearfully and terribly, cause that person tons of stress so internal power is spent destroying the internal power to judge right from wrong.

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But any outward communication that may signal to other people that questions are being asked internally, may fearfully and terribly cause that person tons of stress, so internal power is spent destroying the internal power to judge right from wrong.

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Person C, yet again altogether different, pretends to pay taxes while keeping two sets of books: one set of books to remain in business, the other to fool the fellow criminals. One set of books is to balance the income and costs, while knowing the nature of the game to do unto other people before they have a chance to do unto me. And so the idea is to cheat and steal. And that is an investment. Pretending to pay taxes, while creating and employing every conceivable loop hole; at the same time promoting the concept of forcing other people, less inclined to "join ‘em," to pay "their fair share" or else. Do as I say, not as I do, but don’t let the cat out of the bag.

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Person C, yet again altogether different, pretends to pay taxes while keeping two sets of books. One set of books to remain in business, the other to fool the fellow criminals. One set of books is to balance the income and costs (while knowing the nature of the game is to do unto other people before they have a chance to do unto me). So the idea is to cheat and steal, and that is an investment: pretending to pay taxes while creating and employing every conceivable loop hole, and at the same time promoting the concept of forcing other people, less inclined to "join ‘em," to pay "their fair share" or else. Do as I say, not as I do, but don’t let the cat out of the bag.

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If from cradle to grave a person like Ben Bernanke, a typical welfare mama, or papa, who knows these days, but typical welfare baby anyway, draining the productive capacity of those who actually produce, does not pay taxes. Ben baby does not pay taxes. Then the poster boy of welfare, Ben baby, is on the receiving end of the extortion racket. So they don't pay taxes, but do they vote?

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If from cradle to grave, a person like Ben Bernanke, a typical welfare mama, or papa (who knows these days, but typical welfare baby anyway) draining the productive capacity of those who actually produce, does not pay taxes…Ben baby does not pay taxes…then the poster boy of welfare -- Ben baby -- is on the receiving end of the extortion racket: so they don't pay taxes, but do they vote?

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People who don't work for dollars, but are paid in some way, somewhere in America, avoiding any transfers of earnings by never allowing the hooks of The Dollar Hegemony to sink in, vote? Or do they vote?

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Do people who don't work for dollars, but are paid in some way, somewhere in America, avoiding any transfers of earnings by never allowing the hooks of The Dollar Hegemony to sink in, vote? Or do they vote?

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If you can offer up an example of what you mean by the term non tax payer, a person with a name, then it can be understood better what your question intends to answer - with an accurate answer.

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If you can offer up an example of what you mean by the term non tax payer, a person with a name, then it can be understood better what your question intends to answer - with an accurate answer.

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"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."

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Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

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If Ben Franklin or you, or anyone, views a person doing bad things and your conclusion is that the person needs religion, then you mean something specific, not just a word.

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If Ben Franklin, or you, or anyone views a person doing bad things and your conclusion is that the person needs religion, then you mean something specific, not just a word.

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Joe, I had missed your message from 7/7 about dashes and will reply later today/tonight. I have a day with the Amish and my youngest has baseball tonite.

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Thanks for the notes. I will keep monitoring this web site. I hope all is well in your life too. All is well here.

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JOE, I have some downtime at doc with Amish so I am able to answer sooner than later :)

Regarding dashes:


http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/1/ :
"Dash Dashes are used to set off or emphasize the content enclosed within dashes or the content that follows a dash. Dashes place more emphasis on this content than parentheses...Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas. An appositive is a word that adds explanatory or clarifying information to the noun that precedes it."


Here is an explanation as to why I am using double dashes


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash#Rendering_dashes_on_computers :


"Typewriters and early computers have traditionally had only a limited character set, often having no key that produces a dash. In consequence, it became common to substitute the nearest available punctuation mark or symbol. Em dashes are often represented in British usage by a single hyphen-minus surrounded by spaces, or in American usage by two hyphen-minuses surrounded by spaces."
(also if you look to the beginning of the wiki article (at the top of the page) there is more explanation on dashes.
If you look at the owl punctuation link above you will see that they use dashes like this-with the information linked, no space.  I do not like that look.  I like this - better; and better than that I like -- most.  But Joe, what do you like?  If you look at the wiki article there are codes that make long dashes, but I do not know how to do that.  I noticed that you are able to do that with you write:  —Joe
you have a longer dash.  I do not know how to do that without copying your long dash:  —
I could go back and replace -- with  — if you like that better, or eve with—if