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 Posted: Sun Feb 18th, 2018 07:49 pm
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Lastly first: The use of the term "private" in context of the poem (that "everyone" supposedly knows) is diametrically opposite of "public" in that context.

The claim made is therefore Group A (non-public, rather private as discriminated from another group: public) is accountable, responsible, for more deaths (since 1960), than Group B whereby Group B is not private, rather Group B is Public, or the so called "government" people who make up Group B; as in all the wars combined have tallied up a death count which is accountable to Group B, not Group A.

That is the connection that you may continue to claim to be not a connection, so as to employ Machiavellian, win at all cost, including the costs associated with willful employment of deception, an argument.

The question as to what a Group B ("government) Conspiracy Murder (MLK), and what a Group B ("government") total murders to date study, has to do with a poem, that includes a claim that "Private guns," has killed more people than "all the wars combined," is just that: Group A (Private) versus Group B (Public so called, or "the government," or "all the wars combined"), that is the connection.

Now you, Mike, actually confess the knowledge of the clearly perceivable link, that you faint as a state of ignorance on your part, having apparently (falsely) no clue as to what that link might be, inspiring you to ask, and ask again, as to how a "government" murder accounted the lawful way as a conspiracy murder, and a study of "government" murders, how those "government" murders has anything to do with a poem, whereby the poem just happens to claim that "Private" guns kill more than some other non-private guns kill.

You have no clue, supposedly, yet you then confess that you have a clue, as you investigate the validity of the propaganda offered up in poem.

If you find that "private" guns killing people include "private" guns used in murders by individuals in one Gang of Drug Pushers, murdering individuals (and any "collateral damage") in another Gang of Drug Pushers, in the Drug War, then said tally is directly accountable to the so called "government," rather than the Group identified in the poem as "Private guns."

Putting all that Machiavellian deception aside, so as to return back to the point worth knowing, something everyone knows perhaps, few willing to admit, also perhaps, the government is, in fact, only the people themselves: private individuals. The well disguised, foolish, FAKE knowledge, that there are 2 groups (public and private) is outside the real law: a con game, with - apparently - many victims.

To that end I will claim that people buying into the Divide and Conquer (Machiavellian stratagem) of "public" and "private" murder rates, which evil is more evil, is stupid and servile.

To those who are stupid and servile, the following information I will offer here on Facebook can not be connected - in any way imaginable - to said poem. There is no connection to the stupid and servile, there never will be a connection for the stupid and servile. There is no connection to the information I will post here on Facebook, and the poem about which evil group is more evil, because no connection can be made by stupid and servile people.

As Thomas Kelley volunteers to be the government, doing his part as a modern day Paul Revere, posting information that amounts to a government function: let's talk about very serious issues facing mankind, so as to hopefully solve those issues agreeably, effectively, timely, and in due course - as that government agent Thomas Kelley blows that whistle on facebook - the divisions of people polarized in various gangs are at each other's throats, and there is a growing mountain of Collateral Damage, because the people (the actual government) fail to learn the facts concerning what is, and what is not the law of the land: the tried and true process of resolving these kinds of issues that are threatening mankind, these kinds of issues that are propagandized in that poem posted on Facebook by the volunteer who volunteers to act in the capacity of a true government agent.

For the stupid and servile, there is no need for you to read, understand, employ, realize, acknoweldge, and connect to the poem, the following informaiton.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2018 12:09 am
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I am going to place this information into the category with all the rest of the information that has yet to be validated through due process.

If people were held accountable for the wrongs they willfully perpetrate upon innocent victims, such as prescribing the wrong drugs, or murdering people, or hiring people to murder people while occupying a so called public office (see for example the Martin Luther King Jr. Conspiracy Murder), then anyone contemplating a crime is someone made well aware of the high percentage risk that they take, as their intention to "get away with" some crime (including criminal negligence) is going to potentially cost the perpetrator more than the criminal act is worth to the potential criminal.

People so often automatically label me, and other people who have studied these political, and economic, problems: conspiracy theorists. As if a dog salivating at the ringing of a bell, as in Pavlov's conditioned response experiments, the derogatory, insulting, censoring, labels, are symptoms of a readily accountable basic, principled, problem: there is no due process of law in America, not since 1789.

That means, in real terms, that fiction is more powerful than fact, and the results - which are predictable - are torturous, and murderous.

Due process of law can award the cost of crime to the criminal in every case tried. Failing to do so - criminal negligence - ensures that these symptoms (drug abuse and mass murder for examples) will happen; enabling them, as the criminals are thereby able to transfer all costs from themselves onto the victims.

Doctors with very expensive licenses (a functioning cartel) can grow very wealthy pushing the wrong drugs to the wrong people, and for the most part avoid any risks of ever being held accountable. That is the same pattern as is simple slavery: the master gets all the wealth (economic power) and the slave has to pay all the costs of producing that wealth.

But...what if a trial was conducted, where the latest, or the next, or the next, Public School Lone Gunman creates another pile of dead people, and what if that public access trial records acknowledged facts about that specific case, where that specific murderer, at that specific time, in that specific place, murdered those numerous victims: all who have names, families, lives lost?

Would the information in the trial transcripts include testimony from licensed Doctors having prescribed specific drugs to the murderer?

What if, as in the Martin Luther King Jr. Conspiracy Murder trial, complete with transcripts, it was found out through the discovery process that more than one Lone Gunman was guilty of those specific murders in some direct, or indirect manner?

So, my point continues to be to point out that there is a way to validate information so as to discriminate the accurate difference between FAKE NEWS and evidence, such as inculpatory evidence, as well as exculpatory evidence.

But that won't happen, not when the so called government is run by the sociopaths, psychopaths, sycophants, pedophiles, torturers, human traffickers, murderers, and mass murderers.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2018 02:40 am
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The information from one viewpoint is apparently irrelevant to the information from the other viewpoint. I can agree that there is an obvious failure to communicate.

I can also write, and formulate a response.

The viewpoint offered by me to you has nothing to do with giving up any so called "rights" of privacy whatsoever, and yet that viewpoint is the viewpoint you "believe,' in this context that we are both viewing.

"The real problem is we want our right to protect our freedom and we want to have transparency. You can not have both. What freedom will you trade for safety? There is a price for both."

If the Elephant that you refuse to acknowledge was not in the room shitting on everything, stomping everything that can be stomped, then what would your words mean, if that Elephant - that you refuse to acknowledge - was not in the room?

The symptom you describe is a DEAL offered by some unaccounted for, invisible, power, whereby that invisible power (that you refuse to acknowledge as even existing) offers you Evil A, or Evil B, and you describe that DEAL thusly:

"The real problem is we want our right to protect our freedom and we want to have transparency. You can not have both. What freedom will you trade for safety? There is a price for both."

In reality the concept of peaceful (sane) society is - in demonstrable fact - transparency so as to maintain freedom.

The dirty deal dealt to you by the invisible Elephant is nothing but fiction and you buy into it like a cult member: drinking the cool-aid, and who pays for that error, who pays for that criminal negligence on your part?

I'm asking, seriously.

I don't want to unload on you only, the information offered applies to everyone all the time. Responsibility is individual, or there is no responsibility.

If there is no accusation of wrongdoing against you, then the wrong done to you, if you are subjected to search or seizure of so called "private" stuff, then the error, the dirty deal, the responsibility, and the accountability for doing something wrong (wasting your time, getting in your personal business without any reasonable "probable" cause) is accountable to the individual who is responsible for that willful, criminal, attack, upon you personally. That is probably why a known common law judge was signing the warrant which identifies the judge as the responsible individual in that individual case of search and seizure.

If there is an accusation against you, and you are perfectly innocent, as far as you know, then why would you, or anyone else for that matter, "justify" you hiding, secreting, censoring, information, or anything, from those who are volunteering to effectively protect the innocent from the guilty?

"We" are not all on the same team: there is an Elephant in the room, and it is insane.

There is - even if you refuse to acknowledge it - an Elephant in the room: which then inspires reaction to that Elephant in such forms as a so called 5th Amendment, and so called Miranda Rights, and so called "Doctor/Patient Privilege," or whatnot.

If the Elephant has a badge, and the Elephant is known to crush everything underfoot, because that is the known nature of the Elephant, then keeping your business secreted from the Elephant is a reasonable action taken by someone who reasonably does not want to be consumed by the raging, insane, Elephant.

If there is no accusation of wrongdoing against you, then the wrong done to you, if you are subjected to search or seizure of so called "private" stuff, then the error, the dirty deal, the responsibility, and the accountability for doing something wrong (wasting your time, getting in your personal business without any reasonable "probable" cause) is accountable to the individual who is responsible for that willful, criminal, attack, upon you personally. That is probably why a known common law judge was signing the warrant which identifies the judge as the responsible individual in that individual case of search and seizure.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2018 07:16 pm
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Michael Kelley claims:

"Yet, because of the core-belief of the right to bear arms — of the necessity to bear arms — against tyranny we resist common sense."

And according to my interpretation of what is offered by Michael Kelley "our" lack of common sense is exemplified this way:

"It seems to me a matter of common sense that we need a system of regulations for the manufacture, sale and use of firearms to reduce the number of injuries caused by individuals lacking these principles."

In the ancient common law are common sense concepts. Such as everyone is subject to the same laws all the time. If anyone ever has this idea in their head that someone else, but not me, must be regulated in some way, their behavior must be modified in some way, they must build a car, or gun, some way, or use either some way other than the way they alone decide to do, on their own authority, their own power of will, and their own compass called moral conscience, then said individual wanting to modify the behavior of someone else has at their disposal the law power, just like everyone else.

Go ahead and make people behave the way you want them to behave, Mike. Why don't you start with the weapons of mass destruction? Control those with the common sense that you have, the same common sense lacking in those people that worry you.

Criminal governments, or FAKE governments run by criminals, have racked up an impressive numbers of innocent people murdered, and that doesn't seem to worry you in proportion to this so called "gun violence = gun control" brainwashing consequence of criminals taking over governments. Why is that, a lack of relative proportion type common sense: mountains versus mole hills? Is it sphere of influence limitation? You may have influence locally, but not state wide, or nation wide, or world wide, so employ your limited power where it may actually accomplish something? Direct your energy at the "gun violence" problem only to the extend that in applies to people who might listen to what you consider to be reasonable solutions?

In the common sense, common law, every single effort by every single individual member of the voluntary association has the same power over the facts as everyone else, affording you as well as I all the power needed to fix any problem we see, and do so expediently. But that isn't the "government" you harken to when your "gun control" fix to what you perceive as a "gun violence" problem. You want the FAKE government to step in on your behalf and have them "do the right thing" according to your viewpoint, which makes sense to you, and relieves those worries about that lack of common sense exemplified in others: perhaps.

It is the FAKE government that began ignoring the real government (you, me, and everyone else) over 200 years ago, that solved their cheap labor problem with their African Slave trade solution. That same FAKE government continued to ignore the real government by solving their perceived Indian problem, or the problem of prime lands occupied by squatters, with their Final Solution to their Indian Problem. These are the FAKE government agents that always have a thirst for more power to destroy, to make weapons of mass destruction, to use weapons of mass destruction, to destroy millions upon millions of innocent people for what? Fun? Profit? Ask them, and be sure the answer will be honest and accurate, it is after all common sense that politicians are honest?

What then is the real law? Is it so hidden that normal people with normal, working, human conscience, can't find it with a microscope?

The real law is simply the truth, and the truth is that the real law can fix any human problem that can be fixed, despite the inevitable human errors. Falsehood goes the opposite direction on purpose, for some strange, unaccounted for, reason.

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